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Source: CNBC
Bump into small-business owners and ask them about hurdles to hiring and job creation on Main Street. An answer that sometimes comes up is extended unemployment benefits.
"You still have a segment of the population, as long as the unemployment benefits continue, why is somebody going to go out and get a job?" said Tilman Fertitta, chairman and chief executive of privately held Landry's.
The dining and hospitality group spans 500 outlets and popular brands such as Landry's Seafood House, Chart House, Bubba Gump Shrimp, Claim Jumper, Morton's The Steakhouse, McCormick & Schmick's and Rainforest Cafe.
... "And they keep extending them, and extending them and extending them as a stimulus, but at the same point, when you reach a certain point of wage, I'm better off staying at home and not worrying about going to work," Fertitta said Wednesday on CNBC. "At some point we've got to stop the continuation of the unemployment."
Read more: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/unemployment-aid-hurts-main-st-165159942.html
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GALVESTON -- The champagne was flowing on Pier 21 Friday night where Paige and Tilman Fertitta hosted a Mardi Gras party board their yacht.
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Small Accumulates
(149 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)Depending on the state, unemployment compensation is barely enough to keep you alive. If you can find a job you'll take it because UE sucks - it's better than nothing, which is why it's needed, but just barely. Try actually living on it sometime, you dickweed.
Initech
(100,097 posts)How much fucking profit does one company need to stay afloat? Nobody has asked that question in our society. The largest corporations in our country are stacking trillions and not paying anything on them. People want to work but we're sick and tired of the shit wages and working conditions being offered. We live in a society that puts the millions and billions corporations make above the people. Where does it end?
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)There was a guy on Bill Mahr Friday, a chef who wrote a book on hunger in America. He was talking about how 70% of families on food stamps have one or more people working full time in them. He also talked about a woman who was out of work and when she finally got a job her food stamps got cut and they have to eat less now that she is working full time.
Rachel Maddow was also on and she said something that blew me away. They were talking about the Republican Senator(forget his name) who's son came out and now supports gay marriage. Bill Mahr asked if Republicans have trouble empathizing with people, as now that this senators son is gay has had a change of heart. He was right they do.
Rachel's comment was "Now if everyone in Congress just had a son who was poor.... "
Initech
(100,097 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)"50,000 employees in 34 states and 33 international locations"
Seriously; who still pays attention to CNBC/Bloomberg/whatever financial show anymore?? I'd have thought they would have ZERO credibility given how blind so many "experts" were to the crash in '08...Not only were they blind, they propped up the myth that everything was OK, and anybody saying different was a Chicken Little...
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)a small business 500 outlets?
forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)That is still low, but not $110.00 a week low.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... not close to "living high".
Hedge fund manager John Paulson made $2.4 Million - every HOUR ...
http://www.alternet.org/story/150570/hedge_fund_gamblers_earn_the_same_in_one_hour_as_a_middle-class_household_makes_in_over_47_years
forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)During one of the "stimulus" plans it was raised from $350.00 to $375.00, which was a federal subsidy. I am not sure if it went back down once the subsidy expired or not.
My husbands plant was working one week on, one week off most of 2009. During those down times he could collect unemployment. The weeks they were working were only 4 day weeks though, so he made almost as much on his off weeks (no taxes paid at the time) as his on weeks. We were grateful that the company was able to limp along that year without complete shutdowns, and permanent layoffs. Things are MUCH better now, but in the past few weeks it is back down to 4 days a week (although generally 9 hour days). We like to call it his non sequestered furlough.........
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)In Virginia I think I was getting $180/week about 5-6 years ago...
forthemiddle
(1,381 posts)Someone a couple of weeks ago was complaining that one of the Carolinas (I may have the state wrong) was overhauling there unemployment and going from almost $500.00 a week down to $375.00. I could not believe the difference in each states rates.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)$428/week which was top-dollar for UEI back in ~2005-2007. I was drawing union-scale wages so I received the maximum benefit.
Mopar151
(9,992 posts)And dream of the day we can get on food stamps.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)CEOs need to try and live on unemployment
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Ms CEO, I might consider what you have to say if you can prove that YOU can live on $213 per week (less $23 that they took out for taxes that I would owe at the end of the year) because that was what I got in UEC from Tennessee when I drew it. And this was a couple of times during the last five years while capitalism has been in crisis, so it's a recent amount.
They can't do it. Consequently, their views on the subject carry no weight.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)it would be for people like this to wake up one day and have everything they possess taken from them. I want them to figure out how to live on UE benefits. I want them homeless and helpless with no support system to ease their pathetic situation. I want them to feel the pain and uncertainty of how they will get by with next to nothing.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)And a couple of torpedoes to go with.
liberal N proud
(60,339 posts)He seems to overlook the fact that him and his fellow JOB CREATORS are neither paying people enough to live on or employing enough people to reduce the unemployment rate.
reteachinwi
(579 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)Seems like a word for someone who thinks it sounds hip, but just doesn't get it.
haele
(12,667 posts)or retail? If there is a choice between retail or hospitality jobs - minimum wage entry level or last resort work that takes time out of a working day if someone is actively searching for work, or not taking that time out working minimum wage and work at searching and interviewing for jobs that pay enough to recover some standard of living and pay off what didn't get cleared in bankruptcy, I'd certainly work at finding that better paying job that I spent time, money and effort training for in the first place.
The Chairman and CEO of a restaurant group (since when is a chain of 500 outlets a small business?) wonders why a forty or fifty year old professional won't just go out and "get any job" - especially one in that piddly-paying field, doing physically demanding younger person's work for minimum wage and tips? ( That is, if his "companies" don't collect all the tips and keep them in the first place.)
There are plenty of small businesses that have no problem finding people to fill their job openings - but those businesses pay wages and compensation equal to the quality of work they expect from their employees.
If "Small Businesses" like those run by Mr. Ferttita think that it's just the best of luck to them that the job market is so overloaded that they can get desperate, quality workers for indentured servant treatment or working "under the table" and then just rake in profits made on the backs of that workforce, sure, they might wonder why they have issues finding people to fill those jobs.
Haele
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Employers aren't so eager to hire people who could get a better job if the jobs economy improved.
haele
(12,667 posts)The 40 - 50 year olds might still be able to get a decent job, so they probably won't get that job - but after age 55/60, long term unemployment pretty much is the end of a career, and I've been to quite a few small retail or service business where the majority of the workforce is right about retirement age instead of just out of high school or college, as it usually was prior to the 2000's.
The older workforce is usually one comprised of a person who thinks they have enough retirement "saved" and will hang on at significantly lower wages dipping into savings or emergency funds until it is discovered that the supposedly maxed out while working 401K or retirement investments that was kept untouched during the unemployment period usually doesn't leave them very much for a future retirement without full Social Security added on.
So they keep on working that low wage job to "make up" for the losses that resulted from that long-term unemployment period.
And many continue working even after they could retire because Social Security, the 401K income, and the minimum wage job still doesn't make up for the 3+ years of unemployment and minimum wage work.
It's really very sad seeing someone who looks like they're a 70-year old working the cash register at a florist or parts store.
It's even more sad to hear that once they were a shift lead or project manager - upper level skilled trade or mid-level managers working their way to what they saw as the successful retirement their parents managed to wrangle - who were laid off ten or fifteen years ago and this was the best type of job they could get and keep.
All to support family still living with them, pay for the roof over their heads, medical costs, a working auto, and sufficient food in the pantry.
SIDE COMMENTARY/HIJACKING OF THREAD
And for all those fantastically lucky "bootstrap" types who will say "it's the unemployed own fault" they didn't save enough, network enough, pay attention enough -
In the 1980's and 1990's, the rule of thumb in planning on saving for unexpected events that would cause a lapse in employment was "for every month of unemployment, it takes 4 months of work at the same wage as previous to recover the losses to your savings and ability to pay your bills."
That means it takes 4 months until you stop robbing Peter to pay Paul for every month you weren't making money to pay either Peter or Paul. Even if you had money saved up.
That was the rule of thumb for shipyard workers and other median-waged semi-professional/skilled labor jobs or contract work.
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I personally experienced it several times during that period, after I went from Active Duty Navy to Reserves and lived on the economy.
It took me about a year to return to the level of bill paying/saving that I did while I was active duty - because I suddenly found myself paying rent without BAQ/VHA that had been supplementing my basic pay. Even with money saved in the bank and a job I thought more than sufficient to pay all my bills, that $900 a month tax free made a difference I wasn't really aware of until I lost it. (Mainly the tax free part.)
I know "boo hoo, lil' miss middle class"...can't complain, should just suck it up 'cause there were people worse off. And I did suck it up - I had been PBJ/living out of a car poor before.
But still, there was a budgeting learning curve that ate savings up and began to come to a crisis four months out until I finally got it under control.
And then, there were a couple times where there was a month or 6-week lapse in contract work that ended in a temporary lay-off; it would take four to six months to recover from each of those. Once, I changed employers for less initial pay but more work security; that took almost ten months to recover from the pay loss - even after learning from the previous experiance and planning for that loss in pay two months in advance after I made the initial decision to bail.
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So, sure, there's plenty of people who managed to make it to the upper-six figures and could parley their personal networks to keep them at that level when they face a layoff, but when you're unexpectedly laid off in the middle of even somewhat successful under six-figure career while putting the max aside for retirement, paying a mortgage and sending the kids to college, that can devastate the finances.
Most people aren't making shitloads of money playing being an entrepreneur (of which well over 50% fail...) "leadership" management or boardroom games or gambling with other people's money - And most people don't have a wealthy relative or friend that they get money or access to money from.
Most people only get enough opportunity to live a life where they have a chance to find at least living-wage work (usually for someone else) where they can work hard enough to raise a couple of kids who will be self-sufficient, and hopefully save enough to live in reasonable comfort (when coupled with Social Security and Medicare) when they're too old to work.
That's supposed to be the American Compact - that if you worked hard when you could, you should have the opportunity to live without want when you can't work anymore. That means you should be able to have a safe roof over your head, sufficient food in your pantry, a way to keep your climate comfortable and the lights on, and access to care and methods to keep both mentally and physically healthy. And if you can't work, it shouldn't make a difference.
Anything less is slipping into poverty.
Take away those living-wage jobs when those people are in the middle of their prime earning period of life, and no matter how much they had saved up, or if they had managed to pay off their mortgage early, you are pretty much relegating them to the borders of poverty once they are too old to work.
And that's been happening to pretty much every person who has found themselves unemployed for over a year since the jobs for the working class started leaving and wages started stagnating.
The older you are, the greater the financial stress, and the harder it is to find an equivalent job and recover.
/RANT OFF
And, by the way - what does a purely capitalist society do with over 40 million able-bodied adults who aren't able to find meaningful employment that isn't there and who don't have enough monetary support of their own to pay their way through that society?
(You, there - Congressman Paul Ryan - could you possibly answer that?)
Haele
aquart
(69,014 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)It seems like a strange comment to make in the current economy.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)I have heard there are shortages in some select lines of work - truck drivers come to mind - but there aren't nearly enough of these openings to employ the tens of millions who need money.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I'm affiliated with a local hospital -- huge employer -- and am told by hiring managers that they're receiving at least 400 applications per administrative job.
grammiepammie
(59 posts)So typical as to what is wrong with our country. People do not choose to be unemployed and I am certain that they are not living the high life on an unemployment check. These wealthy millionaires have no shame. I don't understand how they can get up in the morning and look at themselves in the mirror. In their mind people are thrilled to be making 1/3rd of what they were bringing home and celebrating every day that they cannot find a job. Disgraceful. And, in the meantime, they are out buying the biggest homes, and flaunting their wealth. Shame on what has happened to our country.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Stop blaming "TEH SOSHULIST SAFTEE NETZ" for something your asshole Klan of wealth parasites caused. UI isn't even enough to cover ANY bills for a long period of time for a single earner. The Tillman Fertittas and the corporations of the world continue to consume and defecate more of the largesse than the "Have Too Littles" EVER will. Their tax breaks were just another means of Trickle-Up wealth redistribution that gave them free money without having to go through those pesky "hiring" or "sharing the spoils" things.
And of course the Fourth Estate Wealth Propaganda toilet known as CNBC welcomes and lauds just such an opinion and wholeheartedly presents it as fact.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)I read enough about him in 10 minutes to make me want to barf.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)with mediocre food don't even bother.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)And now I know to avoid the place again, and not just because of the so-so quality of the food.
narnian60
(3,510 posts)Your signature line is absolutely true.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Totally avoid that place when I go to the Falls.
Initech
(100,097 posts)I know someone who worked at one and repeatedly said the conditions they treated the animals in was horrendous. Plus I agree the food is expensive and not that great.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)But I'm someone who is baffled at 1-hour waits for tables at restaurants with mediocre, overpriced food. Give me locally-owned, total dives, "ethnic," etc.
raccoon
(31,112 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)I'd rephrase the sentiment a bit, personally. "As long as unemployment benefits are available, why would they cut my throat and take my stuff"?
There's this thing called a social contract. Hungry people aren't very polite.
Rex
(65,616 posts)the working poor.
Why?
So that they can do more then just buy food and gas for their car?
The elite in this country are so fucking stupid sometimes it hurts my brain even at this distance. No wonder America is going to hell in a hand basket. We have CEOs/COOs that are idiots, but privileged idiots that live without a clue or a care in the world.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)We've never had such a pro-corporation/free market/right to work, propaganda machine like the M$M. They will ALWAYS side with the owners and vilify the workers.
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)CNBC is a laissez-fail, Friedmanomicon propaganda sewer that worships all things right wing. Tillman's comments are MILD (hard as that is to believe) compared to the gaggle of assholes they have as anchors and guests. Look up Bernie Marcus and Ken Langone on YouTube. These two bastards make Fertitta look like a saint.
olddots
(10,237 posts)you can skip the favah beans and wine choice just bite his head off .
Liberal In Texas
(13,566 posts)He damn sure couldn't afford to eat at one of his restaurants.
And of course many of the rich want the rest of to work at jobs that pay about what unemployment does anyway.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)this company doesn't need working people's money. let this asshole find out how easy it is to get a job comparable to what he has already.
Rex
(65,616 posts)and then, of course, getting arrested for merely existing and trying to survive.
Maybe that would open his eyes.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)but this bloodsucker will be just fine. he makes his living off the backs of working people
Rex
(65,616 posts)One of the people the GOP would call a 'job creator'.
jmowreader
(50,562 posts)I always worry about the economic opinions of a man whose business model relies on the customers paying his employees for him.
On edit: is there one state of the 50 that does not require those receiving unemployment benefits to actively seek work?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)laid off years ago as manager at gas station...
Went on UE and got $400 something a week. She said she wouldn't take a job that her take home would be less than UE. So she had to fill out that form with all the jobs she was searching for, blah blah blah..
When UE finally ran out she got a job, manager at a Dollar store now...Which is paying more than her unemployment was. Why didn't you do that two years ago SIL, you may have already had another promotion by now
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)the only states that have an average $400 UI benefit is Hawaii. Washington is next at $384. She would have to be making over $40,000 a year to get $400. Dollar General is in the east, south, midwest and southwest.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)I assume she was making over 40K there...
after UE ran out she is at Dollar Store...
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)He believes it is not necessarily the quality of the food served at a restaurant that brings in the money, but the location. Placing most of his restaurants on the coast, he realizes that people want to enjoy seafood, by the sea. But his restaurant success does not end there, he has also acquired the well known Rainforest Cafe, which earned him the title of a brash, arrogant, bargain-basement, bottom-feeding acquisition nemesis. Words spoken by the previous owner and founder of Rainforest Cafe.
He serves terrible food.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)their workers.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)Ever tried to live off of unemployment alone? Tee hee, have fun. And good luck.
Duer 157099
(17,742 posts)Make wages sufficiently higher (like 10x) than UE--without lowering the current UE, because it is already insanely low--and then maybe people will be super motivated to get those high-paying jobs (that don't exist).
Like that's gonna happen.
treestar
(82,383 posts)you have to prove you are continuing to look in order to continue receiving the benefits.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)have nothing to do with company performances and stock options to hush up the fact that pretty much all they do is jump from company to company and then sit on their asses, why would any CEO ever do anything worth anything?
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)In one paragraph it talks about small business owners who I consider people like my family who own and operate ONE place not some guy who owns 500 outlets.
Small businesses in this country are negatively impacted by paying into unemployment and health etc. We have a razor thin profit margin and little capital at hand. But we do our best to treat anyone who works with us fairly.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Yes, when you're being paid wages that fail to meet even the low level of unemployment payments, it's a bit of a disincentive to work at such a job. It illustrates a problem, too. Not the one that Fertitta is trying to make a point of though...but the problem of absurdly disproportionate compensation. When you have two or three percent of the people making nearly 50% of the earnings, you get situations like this.
You also get revolutions. Your call, CEO asshole...
Javaman
(62,532 posts)while he washes himself under a spigot of money.
I'm beginning to believe that when a human makes a certain amount of money, the part of their brain that controls empathy shuts off.
thecrow
(5,519 posts)Strip him of his vast wealth and drop him in, say, Detroit, and let's see how he does with it.
Alternatively, strip him of his vast wealth and the ladies in their shiny blue costumes, and let him try to make ends meet on $7/hour. Don't allow anyone to help him out.
Orrex
(63,219 posts)then why wouldn't he act like a complete asshole?
mnmoderatedem
(3,728 posts)I'd like to tell that schmuck, I jumped on the first job opportunity that finally came my way.
As would most anyone in my position.
Quit acting as if you speak for us.
magellan
(13,257 posts)...but are still unemployed? I know several. And I know of many more who are now under-employed and in dire straits.
My one wish for assholes like this guy is that they become the victim of their own black and white thinking one day.