EXCLUSIVE: Did 'controlling' mother of Boston 'bombers' lead them on the path to radicalization

[snagglepuss]

MailOnline’s extensive interviews with Ruslan and the boys’ other uncle Alvi paint the clearest picture so far of life in the family home in Cambridge, Massachusetts that should have been the cradle for two intelligent, handsome young men.

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Ruslan Tsarni claimed that Zubeidat allowed a firebrand cleric into their house to give one-on-one sermons to Tamerlan over the kitchen table during which he claimed he could talk to demons and perform exorcisms.

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He told MailOnline that the man responsible was a cleric aged around 30 called Misha and that he was an Armenian who, unusually for such a largely Christian people, had converted to Islam.


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Until now Tamerlan has been blamed for leading his ‘sweet, innocent’ younger brother down the path to radicalism that allegedly ended with them killing three people and injuring 170 at the Boston Marathon last Monday.









http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313076/EXCLUSIVE-Did-controlling-mother-Boston-bombers-lead-path-radicalization-Uncle-claims-allowed-hardline-cleric-preach-boys-kitchen-table.html

[cali]

1. oh fuck. yeah and mothers make their sons schizophrenic and turn them gay

I hate the Daily Mail. It is such a stinking piece of dog shit.

[Buzz Clik]

3. You make it sound so dirty.

Up against the wall, jihadist mothers!

[cali]

6. OK

that was funny.

[snagglepuss]

7. Yeah go shoot the messanger. Its the uncles who are stating that.

[cali]

8. It's the DM that's publishing that drivel

so yeah, I'm happy to shoot the fuckwad messenger

[snagglepuss]

10. You're a hoot. You hate it yet you in fact post stories from it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021032740

[cali]

18. I don't now. I certainly wouldn't and haven't about anything of importance

I posted that because I thought it was funny. And it wasn't a news story.

I absolutely will never post from the Daily Mail now that I know how horrible it is.

[DevonRex]

29. I recced it because she admits it in the Wall Street Journal.

Says the dad didn't even want the boys to be that religious. I can get past the headline. Controlling people come in both sexes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html?mod=e2tw

[yellowcanine]

2. Filing in my "Anything for a catchy headline" Folder.....

Such bull shit.

[snagglepuss]

25. Free country. Easy peasy solution. Don't read it.

[yellowcanine]

31. I didn't. The title alone tells me it is bullshit.

Ascribing criminal behavior to controlling mothers is social science run amok.

[snagglepuss]

34. Exaggerate much? Looks like pot calling the kettle black.

[yellowcanine]

38. ???? How so?

Even if it is exaggeration (and I disagree) how is that the pot calling the kettle black? I am not proposing a social science explanation for criminal behavior, I am calling the one proposed bullshit and social science run amok.

[snagglepuss]

40. The title does not ascribe criminal behaviour to the mother, it simple raises a question.

[yellowcanine]

49. Of course I did not say it did - what I said was it blamed the criminal behavior on a controlling

mother - big difference.

[reformist2]

4. This is starting to sound like a Russian novel by Dostoeyevsky or Turgenev.

[undeterred]

13. In Russian novels the guilty are punished by their consciences instead of partying in their dorms.

[snagglepuss]

17. Exactly.

[Buzz Clik]

5. Someone needs to urinate on this smoldering cinder before it catches fire.

Metaphorically speaking.

[Gin]

9. I heard the MD uncle mention this cleric on tv......wondered if anyone will check him out.

[undeterred]

11. Mom got blamed in Newtown, Mom gets blamed for Boston?

Yeah, I don't think so.

[snagglepuss]

21. Are you saying that no mother is ever implicated in destroying their children?

Utterly ridiculous to give a mother in a different case a wave. The uncle is not speculating he names the cleric.

[undeterred]

23. Not at all.

But it does seem like mothers have trouble believing the worst about their sons.

[treestar]

35. Mom did have some blame in Newtown

In this case, no, they still had the ability not to bomb and kill people.

[sabrina 1]

50. The mother in Newton knew she had a son with serious problems. She made guns available to him,

provided them to him and took him to learn how to use them. Surely you are not saying that simply because she was a mother, we should ignore the role she played in providing the easy access to guns? Maybe if it had been the father, or an older brother we could acknowledge the facts?

As for mothers influence over sons, there have been cases, one in particular I am thinking of where the mother enlisted her son in her life of crime. Both ended up in jail.

As for this case, I don't know anything about it so can't say how much influence she had on them. They all came from a war torn region of the world. Life was not easy for the parents of small children. That family according to reports, had to move twice during their early years. Children of war. War scars grown-ups for life, what must it do to children who are very sensitive to their parents fears?

[dballance]

12. Is the Daily Mail the UK Equivalent of the NY Post?

The linked article seems like so much trash. Sounds a lot like any separated couple - one of them bashing the other for their kids' problems.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. It's even trashier then the Post.

[reformist2]

22. It's a wonderful newspaper. I can't stop reading it.

[snagglepuss]

26. Oh-oh now you're asking for it. Mention DM here and you'll be branded.

Like that good ole TV show -



What do you do when you're branded,
Will you fight for your name?
And wherever you go
for the rest of your life
You must prove ...
You're a man!

[reformist2]

28. I suspect half the people loudly protesting DM secretly read it themselves :)

[Myrina]

15. Where's the Unrec button?

[dkf]

16. Quite a bit of this is in the CNN interview with the uncle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=113682

For those who don't trust the source, you can hear from the man himself.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. You can spot a Daily Mail headline at once, and this is no exception

It's also one of those "headlines which is a question answered with 'no'" that they use to get out of the charge of "talking BS". Of course it's exclusive - it's the Mail's desperate spin in search of a headline.

[Kelvin Mace]

20. The Daily Mail is a highly unreliable and unethical publication

I really think it should be considered as reliable as Glen Beck, and excluded from LBN citation.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. Well, at least it is not CNN.

[DevonRex]

27. It's all been reported elsewhere. She is a

real piece of work, this lady. This particular mother wasn't much of a mother. First they were set up. Then she blames the older one for leading the younger one astray, after taking credit for making the older one so religious.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html?mod=e2tw

[snagglepuss]

30. What is exclusive to the DM is the interview with the two uncles.

[DevonRex]

33. Yeah, I'm not knocking your link. I'm bolstering it.

People don't like it because of the headline. Fact is, she wasn't exactly mother of the year. And there may be some family dynamics going on here exclusive of religion. Odd that the woman would be the one to insist on strict Islam, but if she were trying to get the upper hand with the oldest male child then I suppose that's one way. Especially since he would be the one to control the younger children.

[Bucky]

32. snaggle, unless you have a psychiatry degree, you don't get to blame the mother.

[snagglepuss]

37. Rather inane remark as this is a direct quote.

[Bucky]

41. (Pee Wee Herman voice) It was a joke. A *joke*

[snagglepuss]

42. ooops.

[Bucky]

43. I take it the rest of the thread has been a bit harsh

I have threads like that too. I once posted a Glenn Beck video so we could all laugh at it and got thoroughly lambasted for my trollery. There's nothing in the world like DU.

As it happens, I've been talking about the kind of parenting it takes to produce a sports-event bomber since before we heard the name Tsarnaev. It takes a village to loosen up a screw that much, but I was certain some parenting had to play a part in getting the monster making process started.

[snagglepuss]

44. imho the harshness is irrational. All M$M news is suspect.At least the Mail's bias is evident unlike

CNN or NYT, to name just two. As for people wanting to spare parents or religious beliefs from criticism is not helpful if one wants to understand what happened to produce these two killers.

[marmar]

36. When all else fails, blame the wimmens.

The Daily Mail isn't fit for a birdcage, BTW.

[snagglepuss]

39. Don't read it then. As a woman myself I have no issue putting any person under the microscope

in order to understand what happened. As for not blaming mothers. That is just bullshit. Motherhood doesn't confer angel status on women.

[bemildred]

46. It's ridiculous, not just sort of ridiculous, but completely ridiculous.

Scapegoating in the most exaggerated form, combined with Freudian babble long since discredited.

[snagglepuss]

47. There is no suggestion Freud. You're the one exaggerating. The uncle is

reporting what he saw. It's beyond ridiculous for you and others to claim that parents have no role in how their kids turn out.

[bemildred]

48. It suggests it's his Mom. That is babble of the worst sort, backed by nothing at all.

Pure. 100% horseshit.

[bemildred]

45. Apparently anything is better than blaming our "intelligence" services for yet another failure.

Entrapment, they can do. Finding perps out there in the wild, the sort you really need to worry about, that's too dangerous, or hard.

So anyway, it must have been Mom then, if only Mom had been just a smidgen more of a doormat (or firm, is it doormat or firm we want?) this never would have happened.

[Bonobo]

51. Before the mom was blamed, the father was fingered as the cause...

Just sayin'.

[elleng]

52. About the family:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324235304578437131250259170.html?mod=e2tw