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3D Reconstruction of Flight 1549 ditching into the Hudson River with Black Box voice recordings (Original Post) NNN0LHI Feb 2012 OP
wow. thanks. spanone Feb 2012 #1
Incredible alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #2
A brilliant piece of flying Lurks Often Feb 2012 #3
It was brilliant, and absolutely routine. Mister Ed Feb 2012 #4
I disagree, it wasn't routine Lurks Often Feb 2012 #6
It looks as though you're right! n/t Mister Ed Feb 2012 #12
wait... your instructor did that in real life? renate Feb 2012 #7
Well, he had flown helicopters in combat situations in Vietnam Mister Ed Feb 2012 #9
Actually, Captain Sullenberger had a great deal of experience musette_sf Feb 2012 #11
Great video and a great piece of flying by Capt Sullenberger and F/O Skiles. neverforget Feb 2012 #5
thank you. Great piece of flying, glad it turned out as well as it did. Incredible. uppityperson Feb 2012 #8
Yet some asshole desk jockey in the executive suite` hifiguy Feb 2012 #10
Damn XemaSab Feb 2012 #13
seen this? Gabi Hayes Feb 2012 #14
OMG ROFLMAO! lonestarnot Feb 2012 #15
yeah...I followed the link from OP to youtube, and came up Gabi Hayes Feb 2012 #16
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
2. Incredible
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:47 PM
Feb 2012

It's still shocking, despite all the hype.

Then we get Schettino, the anti-Sullenberger.

A remarkable display of competence and grace under pressure.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
3. A brilliant piece of flying
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:07 PM
Feb 2012

Capt Sullenberger and F/O Skiles did an amazing job.

At that altitude and airspeed, loss of power gives few options and very little time to make a choice.

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
4. It was brilliant, and absolutely routine.
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 12:10 AM
Feb 2012

The reason the pilots were able to pull this off and make it look easy is that they've done it over and over and over again. They all have.

My late father retired as a 747 captain, and my sister is also a captain for one of the major airlines. Me, I ditched the idea after stopping just short of getting my private license at age 16. As a teenager, I sometimes got to ride in the jumpseat when my dad was retraining in the flight simulator. They're really cool. Once the door closes, they're indistinguishable from the cockpit of an airliner in flight.

Once, as we walked away from a training session, I wisecracked, "So, have you ever crashed the simulator?" Without missing a beat, he said, "Sure, all the time. Everybody does."

He explained that, in training sessions, multiple challenges are sometime heaped on the pilots, until they become insurmountable. It might start with turbulence on approach. If you take that in stride, they might have you lose an engine. No problem? Then add a hydraulic system failure. The trainers want to make sure such harrowing experiences become absolutely routine, so pilots will respond with calm and precision in a real emergency.

The preparation for an event like the one faced by Sully and Skiles starts very early. I didn't have but a few hours' training under my belt the day my instructor calmly reached over and pulled the throttle out to a bare idle while in flight. In response to the questioning look I shot his way, he shrugged and said, "You just lost your engine." Then he gazed out the window at the scenery, looking bored, before turning back to me and asking, "So. What're ya gonna do?"

"Um, um...I'm gonna set down in that field over there. The long one. It's, um, it's in line with the wind. And there's no phone lines, and it doesn't look mushy."

"Well...?", he said. "You're wasting time."

So, I set up my approach. Had enough altitude for downwind, crosswind, and final. With a couple hundred feet of altitude remaining, he pushed the throttle back in and revved the engine up to full power. "Hey, whaddya know", he smiled. "Your engine's back!" And up we climbed.

I don't mean to take away from the feat performed by those two pilots. Indeed, the knowledge that it was a matter of practiced routine, and not bold derring-do, makes me admire them and their brethren all the more.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
6. I disagree, it wasn't routine
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:31 PM
Feb 2012

while they do in fact practice loss of one or both engines, an airliner making a water landing without fatalities is extremely rare.

I re-read the Wikipedia article regarding the incident and the NTSB investigators used Airbus' flight simulator to re-create the incident. They ended up running it two ways. The first way allowed the pilots flying simulator to react immediately upon the simulated birdstrike. In that scenario all 4 pilots were able to bring the aircraft back to LaGuardia. However NTSB felt that an immediate reaction to a known scenario wasn't realistic and re-ran the simulation and forced the pilots to wait 30 seconds before acting. When re-run that way, all 4 pilots crashed the simulator.

From one of the links in Wikipedia:
"Air & Space: Had you trained for dead stick landings as an airline pilot?

Sullenberger: That’s never been part of our annual recurrent training. I do remember on a number of occasions attempting in the simulator under visual conditions—not a water landing, but an attempt to make a runway. We would be set up on a nearby heading where we could see the airport, and we knew that it was at a place and an altitude where it was possible to get to the runway. That was the one thing I remember practicing some years ago." http://www.airspacemag.com/flight-today/Sullys-Tale.html

Based on Capt. SUllenberger's own words, what he managed was not included in routine or annual training.

renate

(13,776 posts)
7. wait... your instructor did that in real life?
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 03:48 PM
Feb 2012


I'm impressed by both your and your instructor's intestinal fortitude.

Mister Ed

(5,940 posts)
9. Well, he had flown helicopters in combat situations in Vietnam
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:09 PM
Feb 2012

That probably wasn't as scary as flying around with a kid like me at the stick, but it was still an experience that would tend to build intestinal fortitude.

musette_sf

(10,202 posts)
11. Actually, Captain Sullenberger had a great deal of experience
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:31 PM
Feb 2012

with GLIDERS.

Chesley Sullenberger enrolled at the United States Air Force Academy in 1969. He was selected as one of around a dozen other freshmen for a cadet glider program, and by the end of that year, he was an instructor pilot. In the year of his graduation, 1973, he received the Outstanding Cadet in Airmanship award, as the class "top flier". He holds an Airline Transport Pilot Certificate for single and multi-engine airplanes, and a Commercial Pilot Certificate rating in gliders.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
10. Yet some asshole desk jockey in the executive suite`
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 07:19 PM
Feb 2012

makes ten to twenty times what a hero like Sullenberger makes.

Tell me again who has a harder job and more responsibility...

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
16. yeah...I followed the link from OP to youtube, and came up
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 11:28 PM
Feb 2012

with that one

quite the surprise ending, hey?

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