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Repulsive liberal hypocrisy extends far beyond the issue of Guantanamo. A core plank in the Democratic critique of the Bush/Cheney civil liberties assault was the notion that the President could do whatever he wants, in secret and with no checks, to anyone he accuses without trial of being a Terrorist even including eavesdropping on their communications or detaining them without due process. But President Obama has not only done the same thing, but has gone much farther than mere eavesdropping or detention: he has asserted the power even to kill citizens without due process. As Bushs own CIA and NSA chief Michael Hayden said this week about the Awlaki assassination: We needed a court order to eavesdrop on him but we didnt need a court order to kill him. Isnt that something? That is indeed something, as is the fact that Bushs mere due-process-free eavesdropping on and detention of American citizens caused such liberal outrage, while Obamas due-process-free execution of them has not.
Beyond that, Obama has used drones to kill Muslim children and innocent adults by the hundreds. He has refused to disclose his legal arguments for why he can do this or to justify the attacks in any way. He has even had rescuers and funeral mourners deliberately targeted. As Hayden said: Right now, there isnt a government on the planet that agrees with our legal rationale for these operations, except for Afghanistan and maybe Israel. But that is all perfectly fine with most American liberals now that their Partys Leader is doing it.
Long before Barack Obama achieved any significance on the political scene, I considered blind leader loyalty one of the worst toxins in our political culture: its the very antithesis of what a healthy political system requires (and what a healthy mind would produce). One of the reasons Ive written so much about the complete reversal of progressives on these issues (from pretending to be horrified by them when done under Bush to tolerating them or even supporting them when done by Obama) is precisely because its so remarkable to see these authoritarian follower traits manifest so vibrantly in the very same political movement sophisticated, independent-minded, reality-based progressives that believes it is above that, and that only primitive conservatives are plagued by such follower-mindlessness.
One of the most consequential aspects of the Obama legacy is that he has transformed what was once known as right-wing shredding of the Constitution into bipartisan consensus, and this is exactly what I mean. When one of the two major parties supports a certain policy and the other party pretends to oppose it as happened with these radical War on Terror policies during the Bush years then public opinion is divisive on the question, sharply split. But once the policy becomes the hallmark of both political parties, then public opinion becomes robust in support of it. Thats because people assume that if both political parties support a certain policy that it must be wise, and because policies that enjoy the status of bipartisan consensus are removed from the realm of mainstream challenge.
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Vincardog
(20,234 posts)illegal immoral acts and policies of every corporate enabler.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Obama supporters with progressives.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)Obama is an evil corporatist monster who eats kindergarteners.
Bandit
(21,475 posts)through the use of drones and collaterial damage......Women and children seem to be a large component of those being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan....I personally do not understand the need to keep on a killing people over there. They are not in any fashion a threat to the USA...
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)This one went about 30 feet, did a flip, and then landed in a glass of water!!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)I think he likes pets more.
That is why he is so dreamy.
renie408
(9,854 posts)They are so good for reducing stress and you know being POTUS is a really stressful job. I hear after today he is going to skip the drones and just start shooting women and children with a marshmallow cannon.
Saving Hawaii
(441 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)his articles are long and well documented, and he names names.
In this case he is talking about a poll result, so his hypocrites are liberals as a whole.
kctim
(3,575 posts)1. President Obama is not a progressive.
2. Progressives do not support the President on this.
FarLeftFist
(6,161 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's about time for another one of those tiresome Gallup polls that show liberal Democrats support the Obama administration by eleventy-nine percent. That'll shut up you Billy Buzzkills! Everyone likes torture, and drone attacks, and extra-legal executions. Everyone that is but some dumb, smelly, dirty fucking hippies.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)them but there has been a really disturbing silence from the Left on what they claimed was their moral objections to Bush's policies, since Democrats were elected in 2008.
Why is that? Where are those who were all over the internet, condemning the wars, the drone attacks, the spying on US citizens, and as for the killing of US citizens? Airc, the very suggestion that such a thing could even be contemplated was enough to produce days of rage from the left, and rightly so, imo.
But now there is a silence on all of this. I agree completely with this article. Which I'm sure someone will tell me makes me a traitor to the cause, or whatever. Something I got used to being told during the Bush years, although from the right.
Either we have principles and are willing to stand up for them, or we don't.
abowsh
(45 posts)Welcome to a two party system. We have allowed the Democratic and Republican parties to control this country. The people have very little power anymore. Look at some of the congressional districts out there (the Illinois 5th comes to mind), political parties have abused the system to ensure their jobs.
People are absolutely hypocrites; because they aren't going to switch parties to support the opposition. This is how nations are destroyed; by slowly pushing what is acceptable. Gitmo and drone attacks were terrible under Bush and we said we wanted someone who would fix that. Well, Obama continued those policies and it has now become the norm. The next election will not provide us with the option to elect someone who will be against these wars and indefinite detention, it will give us Obama or someone who would be worse than both Bush and Obama. Listen to the crap from the right about terrorism; they have gone off the deep end. Some of the things that Santorum and Newt say about terrorism would have been crazy a decade ago. But because we have allowed endless war, indefinite detention, and other atrocities to become the norm, the crazy positions of the Republicans do not seem as crazy any more.
stockholmer
(3,751 posts)Oh that there are not a million more like him.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)denem
(11,045 posts)and President Musharraf won't act, we will" August 1, 2007,
restated and reaffirmed throughout the Primary and Presidential campaigns.
Legal Basis: Authorization for Use of Military Force, September 18, 2001.
Public Law 107-40 [S. J. RES. 23],
an open ended authorization to use military force against members of al-Qaeda and the Afghan Taliban.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)as well.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Media efforts to get dems to stay home net November will continue, particularly as Obama's numbers improve.
The media will continue to give voice to two totally opposite negative views on Obama, on every issue.
The media will elevate right wing pundits who scream that Obama is weak on terrorism ... and they will elevate left wing pundits who scream that Obama is "just like Bush".
The net effect is to get the right wing base to vote against Obama, and to get the left to STAY HOME.
The fact that BOTH positions are weak caricatures will not be the focus of the discussion. The media simply hopes that viewers will internalize one of these "Obama bad" memes. They do not care which one.
They lose ratings if the election is not close.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)I was hoping to demoralize Bush supporters into staying home.
Hahahaha!
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I gave my view of the ARTICLE and how it is positioned.
Obama removed us from Iraq, and is now drawing us down in Afghanistan. The article glosses over those differences from Bush and the GOP and pumps a false narrative that Obama is basically the SAME, and then goes on to make the case that those who continue to support Obama are hypocrites as a result.
Which is nonsense.
Do YOU think Obama is "just like Bush"??
If so, you should continue to protest. Personally, I find such a view to be ridiculous on its face, which is my right.
I agreed when Bush went into Afghanistan, did not agree with his going into Iraq. I knew Obama was going to increase troops levels in Afghanistan, and use drones while doing so ... this should not be a surprise to anyone who voted for Obama.
And yet the article wants to pretend this was a surprise. Again, its a caricature, and nonsense.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Targeting rescue personnel is double plus good! Sending in weapons of war in countries where we have not declared war? Triple plus good because now the entire world is our battlefield.
Because Bush and the PNAC and our global overlords have declared that killing people every where around the world based on super-secret evidence that only are betters are privy too (we are too stupid to make our own assessment) is THE NEW AMERICAN IMPERIAL CENTURY!
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)catch on even tho I opposed attacks an civilians and other war crimes from 2001 all the way till he was elected.
I was so fucking clever no one caught on!
Obviously the reason I don't like these same policies from Obama is because I only liked it when bush did it.
Or something....
This is so ridiculous I won't reply with my thoughts, since I'd get thrown off the site for profanity. I assure you, it would be wonderful profuse profanity, insults and other terrible things, but it would make me feel better.
Or I could just hit the back button and dismiss it into the wilderness where it belongs and save myself the outrage .
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)It's okay when our guy does it.
And my response is, no it isn't. The President didn't take an oath to blow people to Kingdom Come on some dubious pretext of defending America or killing our enemies or some demagogic piece of legislation designed to provide a veneer of legitimacy to war crimes (or, if you prefer, crimes against humanity). The President's oath is to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, for without the Constitution, there is no United States.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)pmorlan1
(2,096 posts)Sadly, the Greenwald piece was right on target.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)...Greenwald bullshit!
Wait, Greenwald's own epiphany about Iraq and Bush occurred in 2004-2005. Obama was elected in 2004.
Wow, Greenwald in a new light
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100297462
He has some fucking nerve scolding progressives!
Demonaut
(8,918 posts)and forget he loved the last pres and his righteous wars
and remember there is never collateral damage with conventional ground troops/wars
only the bad guys get hit
to be read with a heavy dose of sarcasm
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)more credit than those progressives he's talking about and rightly so, that as soon as he realized we had been lied to, he had the guts to come out and say so. Unlike other war supporters who even after they were told they were lied to, could not bring themselves to criticize Bush.
Progressives opposed every anti-Constitutional policy instituted by Bush. I never met a single progressive democrat throughout the Bush years who supported those policies. Not one.
Greenwald is 100% correct, any progressive who opposed Bush's policies and now is either silent about or supports the same policies under this president IS a hypocrite. However, I think he's wrong to think that anyone of us who once opposed those policies now support them. We do not.
Zalatix
(8,994 posts)But in 2016 I am demanding a candidate who will repudiate the right wing war machine rather than emulate it, like Obama has done.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Greenwald is right, tragically.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)otohara
(24,135 posts)show.
As if we were all polled.
We're all pathetic.
I think Sirota's prep for his show must be reading Greenwald.
He's mean to callers who dare to disagree with him.