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Oh...that was NO to disaster relief for Sandy. Those people didn't deserve it.
I'm sure we will hear a different tune now.
(and, no, I'm not a total ass.... I say we should send disaster relief immediately. I just want it to have "Your Republican Congressman Voted No On Disaster Relief last year, this is brought to you by the Democrats" stamped on it.)
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)(put your asbestos underwear on)
Inhofe (R - OK) and Coburn (R - OK) opposed Sandy relief.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)alsame
(7,784 posts)help immediately, but I would love to see Inhofe and Coburn shamed on the Senate floor.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Get rid of these two asshat fucktards! Yeah, the "I" word!
They are the first to screw the rest of us!
Why didn't you guys build shelters? You had plenty of warning!
You bitch about California and our earthquake regs, yet we are prepared, building code wise!
Poor helpless kids led by religious douchebags die!
I hold them personally responsible!
1Greensix
(111 posts)I was raised in Wisconsin. Every home I was ever in had a basement. Why wouldn't they have them in Oklahoma? I lived in Texas for years and never met or heard of anyone who had even a storm shelter. You Gotta love those rednecks. I'll bet they all have guns in their homes. Guns and no storm shelters.
Don't give up the day job.
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Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Have you considered anger management?
demwing
(16,916 posts)And then another
That'll manage some anger.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)Is your anger directed toward Oklahoma Rs, or to random DUers?
NCarolinawoman
(2,825 posts)An Oklahoma meteorologist was explaining that you would need dynamite to build a basement in Oklahoma.
I find it all very sad and think these people are kind of brave living there. I could not.
At this point in time, I don't like making generalities about "rednecks". Actually, I don't like any kind of generalities. Just remember, Elizabeth Warren is originally from Oklahoma.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I think if a neighbor were building a new house next to mine and had to use that kind of force to put a hole in the ground I might be a little concerned what else it would cause damage to.
cvoogt
(949 posts)mostly
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Any new house built MUST have either a basement, or a fortified room that can be used in case of severe weather. And this is Minnesota, which typically doesn't have nearly as many tornadoes as they do further south.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Even acknowledge the conflict between needed public safety and "big government intrusion", and how suprise, suprise, it is needed...
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Which means when you dig the foundation for a house, you have to dig down to 8 or 9 feet. So means adding a basement doesn't cost much - you've already dug deep enough for it.
The frost line in Oklahoma is about 18 inches deep, which means the foundation is going to be about 3 feet deep. So adding a basement adds a lot of cost to a house.
NickB79
(19,258 posts)Built to specs that allow it to survive a reasonable hit from a tornado.
I've seen people designate a bedroom or bathroom as the safe room in the blueprints before they start putting up the house. If you add structural support to this one area as you build the house, it adds very little to the overall cost (one builder told me it only adds a few thousand dollars to a $300,000 house).
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)Many have them in the area. Others choose just not to build them.
timdog44
(1,388 posts)the Weather Channel and they were showing in Moore, a storm shelter under a house that saved lives. Don't know what the problem is building one of them, and I doubt they used dynamite to do that. Don't need an entire basement.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)It comes down to foundation depth.
In Wisconsin, the ground freezes down to about 4 feet. Which means your foundation must be about 6 feet deep. When you're already digging down 6 feet, adding another foot or two to get a basement is not a large cost.
In Oklahoma, the ground freezes down to about 18 inches. Which means your foundation must be about 3 feet deep. Digging deeper in order to fit in a basement is much more expensive.
It has nothing to do with water tables or bedrock. Even if it did, it is not difficult to build an above-ground storm shelter out of reinforced concrete.
We sent people to the moon. We can dig a hole in the ground.
brush
(53,850 posts)There's real bedrock in New York City, which is why they can build 100 story skyscrapers. But every home has a basement and we're not even in "TORNADO ALLEY" for God's sake.
Every home in Oklahoma should have a basement or at least a storm shelter. And the schools . . . of course they should. That's the easiest no-brainer there is. Make sure school kids have a place to go when tornado season comes EVERY F_ _ kING YEAR like everyone knows will come.
justcommenting
(3 posts)I am only here because I was researching some information, and stumbled upon this discussion.
I believe it was not an Oklahoma meteorologist making those statements about Oklahoma and basements. Someone on some channel I was watching who was not from Oklahoma was discussing the hard bedrock in Oklahoma and explaining that dynamite is required to put in a basement. They were discussing how they must jackhammer through a basement floor and then blast underneath it in order to put in a shelter.
As an Oklahoman, I can tell you that I have never heard of such a thing.
A quick web search will show you that the true reason Oklahomans do not have basement is due to the red clay soil and the resulting water conditions underground. The water table is high, and as the clay absorbs water and then dries out, the ground expands and contracts, and basement walls eventually crack. Then, because of the high water table, leaks develop and mold grows in the walls and in the basement itself. Then it becomes a health hazard.
People sometimes purchase pre-fab fiberglass 'caves' that are buried in back yards or underneath basements in newly-built homes prior to the pouring of a basement floor. Those are made to withstand the effects of the expanding and contracting clay.
My grandparents' home had a basement, and any time it rained, she ended up with water standing in the basement. She had it worked on repeatedly but it simply could not be permanently sealed. It appears that there are a small number of builders (one or two) in the OKC area that will attempt the building of a basement today, but most builders do not want the liability, and from what I read earlier, realtors have a difficult time selling homes with basements because more often than not, those houses have mold problems.
I have not researched this, but I believe further south - in Dallas - the bedrock is an issue. Perhaps the talking head knew about the Texas issue and assumed Oklahoma had few basements for the same reason, but if so, I believe he was incorrect.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)justcommenting
(3 posts)and I should probably reveal that I am not a left-leaner in the least. Just an Oklahoman who stumbled on this post who wanted to set the record straight.
brush
(53,850 posts)raccoon
(31,119 posts)because that area has low elevation and heavy rainfall.
I believe OK is a drier state, though, and I can't speak for them about basements.
Angelonthesidelines
(70 posts)Because freedom will not tolerate zoning and building codes requiring storm cellars.
NYtoBush-Drop Dead
(490 posts)Response to DonRedwood (Reply #5)
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Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)What I don't understand is why help for Hurricane Sandy had to be voted on.
SteveG
(3,109 posts)and deals with the initial rescue, etc. What had to be voted on was reconstruction aid. They will have to vote on reconstruction aid for this one as well.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)thanks for the info :0)
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Bridenstein ( Tulsa) and Mullin - south Tulsa/Muskogee area
The others voted yes for Sandy relief and it just happens that the "yes" votes are in the area hit by the tornado
Stuart G
(38,445 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)because I took a mental note about it at the time
Z_I_Peevey
(2,783 posts)Kos says my guy voted no, MarkWayne Mullin
also Bridenstein and Lankford
....and the neighboring "no" vote districts are still thinking they had it right.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Hope you are well.
Thank you for the additional facts.
I hope you weren't offended by my comments. I am 100% behind immediate relief. (but I hope some of those NO voters get called out)
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)I don't have any Republican friends to read it though!! lol
AndyA
(16,993 posts)I'm going to be certain to call our "representatives" tomorrow and let them know that some of us haven't forgotten their hypocrisy.
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)you want some of them
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)be in terrible shape due to a tornado. From what I hear on TV this area got hit badly in 1999. Kind of a "tornado alley." So their congressmen sensibly saw the need and voted accordingly for Sandy relief.
Celldweller
(186 posts)are recovered/rescued before you politicize this event?
perdita9
(1,144 posts)They need to be called out on their shortsightedness. THIS is why you support your countrymen, because someday it will be you who needs the help.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)They take the high ground too much, only to later find that the Republicans are always waiting to bulldoze the mountain.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Lex
(34,108 posts)Sandy relief was refused by Republicans.
Celldweller
(186 posts)iirc, the relief bill was delayed to get to the House and then when it arrived it contained non hurricane related bullshit. The non-hurricane relief stuff was removed and the bill was passed.
Am I incorrect on this?
Lex
(34,108 posts)To save you an hour of reading lol...
The original EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL was 60.4 billion dollars.
Of that:
13 billion dollars for future projects to minimize damage from future storms
1 billion dollars to train Iraqi policeman
188 million dollars for AMTRAK expansion project
150 million dollars for Alaskan fisheries.
8 million dollars for the DHS and DOJ to buy new vehicles.
and there's more I'm just lazy.
After Dems and Pubs got together and did a little DC wrangling they arrived on a number of 50.5 billion and PBO signed it.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)Celldweller
(186 posts)Independently I don't oppose any of them.
But do they BELONG in an EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL?
Let's just play make-believe for a moment. The hurricane is in Texas and the Repub Senate drafts a relief bill that gives $150 million dollars to new AR-15 for the Texas State Troopers (or w/e they called) maybe 200 million dollars for a retractable roof for Texas Rangers stadium and 100 million dollars the the GWB Pres library.
Just because something is tied into a EMERGENCY RELIEF BILL doesn't mean it's a priority I guess.
Emergency relief means $$ to FEMA and HUD, the local repair people and the first responders, right?
Bottom line, DC is a cesspool, always has been. Every Senator/Congresscritter is beholden to some special interest that they must serve by bringing back free DC money.
And then the Senators bargain with each other... "Hey I will vote for your bill if you allow my Caribou research project if you allow my Airport expansion project".
It's all a crooked process.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)Here: something for you to read, stupid: the National Weather Service, whose actions saved lives because people had a 30 MINUTE WARNING about this tornado, was created by Congress. FEMA and first responders are funded by congress.
Only an idiot would condemn Congress because idiotic repukes are trying to break the government.
There's something crooked here, all right: look in the mirror.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)All those "expansions" also repaired the damage caused by the storm.
It would be really dumb to repair a destroyed sea wall, and then come back later and make it taller.
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socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)The people in their districts/states SHOULD be reminded of the types of slugs they voted for.
maidensandiego
(64 posts)Love It.....Love It....Love It ! When will all these ignorant people in Red States LEARN.....that their Sick Minded Reps & Senators....dont' put food on their tables...don't pay mortgages....don't pay their medical bills....don't pay their car notes & gas, and the list goes on. Yet ...their Reps & Senators are more worried about those that don't PAY their taxes !!!!! SLUGS they are.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)It's completely political, because Republicans are against relief, until it effects their constituents. That is hypocrisy.
maxrandb
(15,351 posts)to realize that "gubmint" needs fucking funding to...oh I don't know...FIND FUCKING BURIED CHILDREN!
That fucking "wait til the buried children are recovered before politicizing this event" shit...is exactly the shortsighted shit Repukes have been fucking pulling for fucking years. So I'm sorry if it hurts your feelings for some to point out that REPUBLICAN FUCKERS ARE ASSHATTED HEARTLESS BASTARDS except for when "they" need help, but I will not apologize for pointing out that REBULICANS ARE ASSHATTED HEARTLESS BASTARDS
Take the fucking "concern" for the children to the fucking people who have no concern for the children...THE FUCKING ASSHATS THAT VOTE AGAINST EMERGENCY AID FOR THEIR FELLOW AMERICANS....THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS.
Instead of coming on here and trying to feed on our compassion so we "don't" point out the fucking truth, maybe your efforts would be better spent to tell the fucking Republicans to STOP FUCKING POLITICIZING EVERY-FUCKING-THING and that they have a responsibility to more than just the fucking billionaires.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)People need to wake up NOW and realize that these storms are becoming the new norm, and that fucking REPUKES are denying help to people whose lives are ruined by those storms.
Christ on a fucking crutch, GROW UP.
Logical
(22,457 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"...before you politicize this event?"
The horrible consequences of this event are maintained and exacerbated by politics. There is no reason to censor oneself to if it can bring greater attention to those things we have ignored for too long.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Pale Blue Dot
(16,831 posts)to vote them out.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)If they need help, they're Americans and entitled to federal aid.
If someone else needs help, it's every man for himself.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)at least here, are only liberals when they get their way.
They are pulling the bodies of little kids out of a school and this place allows this kind of crap?
I am ashamed and I am done.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)disaster relief with their votes AND their Randian philosophy? I don't think it's inappropriate to point out that the number of child deaths is an immaterial fact to Republicans when it come to disaster relief. After all, it WAS their votes that brought the subject up.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)for either side to say what is being said here or to vote the way they did. All of it ALL OF IT is fucking disgusting.
CAG
(1,820 posts)Its unfortunate that we can't see our own politicization. How about giving it a day or two?? How about waiting til the kids are out of the school??
frylock
(34,825 posts)really, what the fuck are you going on about? the only CRAP here is republicans voting against Sandy relief. the fact that bringing that up seems to hurt you in some fashion seems like an issue that you need to work through. nobody, repeat NOBODY here is stating that relief funds should be withheld. get over yourself ffs.
sakabatou
(42,174 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Is Keystone XL supposed to be above ground? Is it planned to go anywhere near what's becoming the new Tornado Alley?
And if the answer to either of those questions is yes, why the hell is POTUS even considering approving it???
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)Having natural gas leaking while live electric wires are around is a disaster waiting to happen.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)except for a few random places like pumping stations and terminals.
duhneece
(4,117 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Where are the shelters in the schools?
Oh yeah! Profit margins don't allow that!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)So Senator Inhofe... If it's not climate change, or right-wing nut balls (Timothy McVeigh), what is it, that keeps laying waste to your state ???
The wrath of God ???
You fucking fool.
& Rec !!!
IrishAyes
(6,151 posts)The GOP governors who allowed stimulus money to be spent on highways in their states took down any signs reminding motorists where the funding came from.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)The fucking bodies haven't even been FOUND yet and you're patting yourself on the back for having the right politics.
Bet you're waiting for the next gun story with bated breath too, huh slick?
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Just like gun masacres.
NO! We do not take ANY satisfaction in this! Just the opposite!
WE feel some of this is preventable!
We are angry and broken hearted and this is a way of coping!
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)How long can we ignore the triggers for these events?
Stop them? No.
But at least we don't have to stick our heads in the sand.
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)culprit, what took so long? We can't use climate change (which I agree is happening) as the blame for every horrific weather event that happens.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)"Great news, we can now give coverage for as low as 15 dollars a month" And one of the snoopy characters says "It should be 10 cents" and another one says "Yeah, it should be 10 cents" Finally the agent says "Everything can't be 10 cents."
Well, that's a lot like global climate change. We have to be very careful about what we attribute to it. This area has a history of tornadoes and was hit with an F4 tornado in 1999. I don't think it's wise to immediately go the the climate change explanation in these circumstances, especially when there's been a history of this type of severe weather in the area.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But protecting lives requires the evil big government to come in and create things like building codes.
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)that would work, but one size fits all would be hard to do. I do agree that state and local codes should incorporate much higher standards for those affected by this type of severe weather.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)States such as Oklahoma and Texas feel that the state and local governments can also be big evil government.
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)be in favor of strong codes that protect the health and safety of residents. For example, hurricane straps were mandated for new buildings in Florida after the damage from Hurricane Andrew in '92. I didn't hear any complaints at all from anyone after the regulation went into effect. As a matter of fact many said it was about time. That's just my experience.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)funds global warming denial AND half the Republicon party itself.
Cha
(297,655 posts)ass at all. For pointing out the brainwashed Hypocrisy.
By all means give Oklahoma Fed Money.. but, do note their votes on other Disasters that aren't their own.
Will it have an impact on the Next Disaster in other parts of our Country?
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)The Dems are too soft and will let them forget. We need to go Bengazi on them.
Wolf Frankula
(3,601 posts)Not Us!
We rugged individualists are entitled to all the government aid we can get.
Wolf
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Just kidding. Send them aid, they're our countrymen. Just make sure they know their congresscritters voted against aid for others.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)hem find a voice that helps
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)because some douche Republican voted against disaster relief. How "liberal" of you.
Skittles
(153,193 posts)not at ALL
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)You are juxtaposed from reality. People are in need, and that should come above politics.
spanone
(135,873 posts)i am too tom
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)[div class= "excerpt"]
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/sandy-relief-measure-passes_n_2480328.html
"There's clearly a federal responsibility to act," said Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.). "We have a national interest in getting this region on its feet as quickly as possible."
If you live in an area prone to tornados you probably have more sympathy for other disaster victims.
malaise
(269,157 posts)He was on Tweety a while ago and he was all I was so sympathetic to the Sandy victims
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)should have a label BIG GUMMINT brand
That would ROCK. the 'baggers would all have heart attacks, but fuck 'em.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)I'm sure the Koch brothers will step up and fund all the relief and rebuilding efforts. Each of them is worth over fifty billion bucks, right? They should take this opportunity to show big government how the job should be done. It's not like they couldn't afford to foot the bill, especially if it's divided between the two of them.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)it'll happen to you someday...
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)if the FEMA response were led by Brownie?
Yeah! Heck of a job asshole, but it was good enough for New Orleans, right?
NuttyFluffers
(6,811 posts)some people cannot learn this otherwise. or they've lived surrounded by evil, brainwashing bullshit too long. but it must be taught regardless of sensibilities. people die otherwise.
voting attitudes determines politics, and therefore who lives and who dies and who gets help; there's never a moment that politics does not affect all we do.
politics is the distribution of the power of cooperation. if you live in, or benefit from, society in any way, you must understand this lesson. there is never a moment that this teaching lesson should be neglected, especially during emergencies.
allan01
(1,950 posts)id sue the lot of them. on edit: what has the republican party done for you today?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I realize that the headline was deliberately misleading, but I wonder how many people just glimpsed (or will glimpse) the headline and immediately conclude that Oklahoma Republicans actually said NO to disaster relief from this particular disaster.
You make a good point, but I don't like the potential for confusion with this one.
If I might make a minor suggestion... alter the headline to reflect more accurately what it is that you're talking about. Or don't. It's up to you, but at the moment, I think we need to go for accuracy.
I'm with you on sending disaster relief immediately.
Some of the responses to this one really made me grimace... we're democrats, progressives, independents, whatever. We're the people that are supposed to give a shit. So let's stop being petty and throwing feces at each other and focus our energy where it belongs in this case... supporting the victims of this disaster.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)people in need elect to office must be called out. We are either a country that shares commonwealth with those in need, or we aren't. Oklahoma politicians must be brought to understand their proper role in society, or the people that in the past tolerated their bullshit must vote them out of office.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)All of the Obama-hating, government-bashing slime will be re-elected next year and in 2016 and for the foreseeable future. Your post sounds great and touchy-feely, but it's nonsense in the real world.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)But even so, its no excuse to deny or withhold aid from people based on their votes. That's not how civilized people behave.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Then the president and DC Dems could be magnanimous while we bombarded the airwaves with hatred for the OK Repukes.
Actually if we had balanced media in the US there would be no Repuke party, and the Cock Bros would have joined Mussolini in hell years ago
Apophis
(1,407 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)And not ask for/refuse any federal aid. Like the states claiming they will not implement Obamacare.
Logical
(22,457 posts)BillyRibs
(787 posts)The Jersey and NY Delegation should tell them all to take a hike. But that would be Heartless and cruel.
moondust
(20,006 posts)Last edited Tue May 21, 2013, 12:56 AM - Edit history (1)
You have their attention, Professor Obama.
How about you, Governor Christie?
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Because they'll never learn the lesson. Because we can't let them learn the lesson. We have to help our fellow countrymen because that's the way we are. We have to and we want to.
But they'll go back and vote for assholes that will vote against aid in blue states to pander to the mouthbreathing idiots in their base and to appease their owners.
It's an endless cycle of idiocy and it cannot be broken.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts).
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Funds to be taken from some other program to pay for disaster relief for Oklahoma. Sounds like he's got the gimmies. But they have done this before. When sequester cuts caused massive airport delays they passed a law to take money for capital improvement projects at airports to restore the air traffic controllers to full staffing. That is like feeding your seed corn, with big problems later when the full consequences of such short-sighted measures are felt.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)-snip-
Coburn spokesman John Hart on Monday evening confirmed that the senator will seek to ensure that any additional funding for tornado disaster relief in Oklahoma be offset by cuts to federal spending elsewhere in the budget. "That's always been his position ," Hart said. ...
-snip-
Full article here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/oklahoma-senators-disaster-relief_n_3309234.html
Everyone needs to call all the Congressfolks and tell them give the aid, but NO cuts !!!
Mkap
(223 posts)unfortunately the response from the Repugnant party will be the same response to the massive death at Sandy Hook elementary school
"Meeeehhh we don't need to anything"
Despite a hurricane last November that was so large it could of cover all of Europe and despite the fact that this is the worst tornado on record , which so powerful that hiding in a basement becomes ineffective! We have a republican congress whose response is not to do anything to fix climate change and instead wants to play 5th grade games like
"let's try to repeal this law for the 37th time and blame the president in the fat chance we can impeach him"
As i always say republicans do NOT CARE IF YOU DIE. They don't care if military die (war in iraq) they don't care if kids die (school shootings) they don't care if the elderly die (repeal SS) they don't care if the poor die (end food stamps and welfare) they don't care if the sick die (repeal obamacare) and they don't care if people in OK die from a tornado as long as they aren't name Koch
Coyote_Bandit
(6,783 posts)I simply cannot help but notice all the compassion oozing from parts of this thread.
:scarcasm:
It is offensive to give aid and assistance to those who have very real needs and condition such aid on hearing or agreeing with a particular message or belief. It is manipulative and coercive. Somehow I find the idea of delivering aid to these victims with a political lecture comparable to a religious group providing food to the homeless only after they sit through a long fire and brimstone sermon while smelling the wonderful aroma of good food wafting from a nearby kitchen. The only distnction is the agenda.
Daniel537
(1,560 posts)You would expect this type of cold-heartedness from the wingnuts, but unfortunately its mutated to the left as well. Truly shameful.
E-Z-B
(567 posts)dynasaw
(998 posts)Will she do a Chris Christie?
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)And the Muslim socialist president. Miserable hypocritical scum.
penndragon69
(788 posts)They were stupid enough to vote repubLIEcon,so....
SlimJimmy
(3,182 posts)you'll be at the head of the line.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I'm taking a break from this place for awhile.