Obama's legacy?

[99Forever]

It saddens me to have to say it. Obama's legacy will likely be his failure to keep his oath of office, specifically, to uphold and defend The Constitution of the United States of America, specifically this:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

[JaneyVee]

1. Most likely turning around the economy & Obamacare.

[99Forever]

2. I respectfully disagree.

This HUGE failure will overshadow any and everything else. His loss of faith from We the People over this, will haunt the rest of his term. To believe otherwise, is whistling passed the graveyard.

[NYC_SKP]

5. You do realize all this began under Bush, then Obama fixed it a little, and Congress has a hand, no?

It still stinks, but Obama's legacy isn't at risk over this program.

Your loss of faith is representative of maybe 1/10 of one percent of the country.

Legacy isn't based on superminority opinions.

[99Forever]

19. People who pull....

... figures such as "maybe 1/10 of one percent of the country" out of thin air, don't have enough credibility to even converse with.

Fail.

[JaneyVee]

6. What is FDR remembered for? Surely not internment camps. FDR holds #1 spot on

Greatest Presidents of all time (according to a poll of 238 presidential scholars). No one even mentions internment camps.

[boston bean]

7. I see it brought up here all the time.

Mostly by those who defend Obama, when he proposes to change SS, and others are praising FDR and wish he was more like him.

[JaneyVee]

9. My point is that there hasn't ever been a scandal-free administration since Washington

And we've had some great presidents.

ETA: FDR is my all-time favorite prez despite the internment.

[rawtribe]

8. George Takei hasn't forgotten. He's taking the story to Broadway.

http://www.allegiancemusical.com

The internment of Japanese Americans during World War II is an oft-overlooked and shameful chapter of American history. In the aftermath of Japan’s surprise attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt authorized, through Executive Order 9066, the forced evacuation of approximately 120,000 persons of Japanese descent from the West Coast of the U.S. and their involuntary internment in ten concentration camps on American soil. About two-thirds of the internees were American citizens.

[BlueStreak]

10. Uhhhh, Obama ain't no FDR

FDR stood up to the moneyed elite. He got huge programs through in public works to bring the economy back. He put Social Security in place, and didn't turn it over to vultures to run. There are so many differences, this is a ridiculous comparison.

Yes, he had the advantage of more support in Congress following the collapse of 1929, but you think he just smiled, gave a few speeches, and all that just happened? No, he had to kick a lot of people in the nuts along the way.

The more I think of this comparison, the madder I get, so I'm going to stop here before I violate the TOU. But I strongly suggest anybody who would use Obama and FDR in the same sentence needs to learn a whole lot more about FDR.

And BTW, Obama's recovery ain't so hot either, which is what happens when you give Republicans 90% of what they want every time there is a critical negotiation.

[JaneyVee]

12. Advantage of more support in congress? Ya think?

I believe you are correct, but before putting FDR on a holy pedestal it's good to get some perspective, his policies were geared towards white males only. Another blemish that doesn't seem to harm his legacy. Choose any prez, it wasn't an Obama/FDR comparison, my point was that legacies aren't so easily effected by things like the OP wrote about. In 50yrs Obama may or may not be here, but Obamacare will, just like Social Security is.

[BlueStreak]

13. God help us, if we still have the for profit companies running HC 50 years from now

His legacy will be that he was the first black President, and the country didn't disintegrate on his watch. And that is what all of this is designed for. He is willing to move us toward a Stalinist society if that increases the odds of no big blemishes on his record.

Obama will not be known for any significant positive accomplishments. He will be known for what didn't happen. We didn't go into another Great Depression. We didn't get into any more big wars. Etc.

Frankly I can't see the historians making much of that. In 50 years, the only surviving story line will be that he was black, but even that will be muted because he governed exactly the way his WHITE far-right predecessor did in most respects.

[JaneyVee]

14. I think the same way Social Security has evolved since FDR, so will Obamacare.

Social Security is almost a completely different bill than it was then, it has been improved upon for the better. Also, Obama has made plenty of significant positive accomplishments. A Stalinist society? He was democratically elected and only has 4 years left.

[NYC_SKP]

21. Exactly. Social Security was a very small fund with a very small target demographic...

...In the beginning.

[99Forever]

18. Obama isn't 10% of what FDR was.

Obama hasn't accomplished squat compared to FDR, and if Obama was around in FDR's day, he would NOT have even been considered to be a Democrat.

Fail.

[NYC_SKP]

20. Damn, you really seem to hate the man. Do you know anything about FDR's Congress?

Shit, if Obama had a congress like that it would be a whole different ballgame.



http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/03/obamas-no-fdr-nor-does-he-have-fdrs.html

[LWolf]

17. "Turning around the economy?"

That's not his legacy. It COULD have been, if he'd had the right values, the right agenda, and some spine.

Obama Care? That's not much of a legacy. A fight for REAL health CARE reform, successful or not, would have been a legacy to be proud of. Instead, single-payer wasn't even allowed on the table for discussion.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Well, Bush's legacy hasn't suffered for 100 times the crimes. This is getting really silly now.

Fucking baseless drama.

[99Forever]

4. Bush never claimed to be a Democrat or a Constitutional attorney.

Fail.

[newmember]

11. The worst thing for a sitting President isn't being disliked by some of the people who voted for him

or feeling disappointed by his supporters

It's feeling nothing .........

[The Link]

15. Unchecked expansion of drone warfare.

[aikoaiko]

16. Nobel Peace Prize, 15000+ DJ, Obamacare, making hard decisions on national security

I doubt he'll be remembered that way you think. I understand being disappointed because of high expectations, but the yardstick of history is generally kind to our presidents.