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limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:13 PM Jun 2013

Whitehouse Petition to Pardon Edward Snowden:

http://wh.gov/liZnR

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO: Pardon Edward Snowden

Edward Snowden is a national hero and should be immediately issued a a full, free, and absolute pardon for any crimes he has committed or may have committed related to blowing the whistle on secret NSA surveillance programs.

Created: Jun 09, 2013


Link---> http://wh.gov/liZnR


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This petition is clearly going to meet the 100,000 signature threshold.

He probably won't get pardoned, but the point is to send a message.
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Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
1. The petition is stupid. A person cannot be pardoned if that person has not yet been convicted.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:16 PM
Jun 2013

Whoever started the petition should have said 'IMMUNITY' not 'pardon'.

GReedDiamond

(5,318 posts)
2. If I recall correctly, Gerald Ford...
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jun 2013

...pardoned Dick Nixon, even though, unfortunately, he was not convicted of anything.

So there is that...

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
4. Sorry that's wrong. The President can pardon a person who has not yet been charged or convicted.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jun 2013

Pre-emptive Presidential Pardons
Can you be pardoned for a crime before you're ever charged?

Yep. In 1866, the Supreme Court ruled in Ex parte Garland that the pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment." (In that case, a former Confederate senator successfully petitioned the court to uphold a pardon that prevented him from being disbarred.) Generally speaking, once an act has been committed, the president can issue a pardon at any time—regardless of whether charges have even been filed.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/07/preemptive_presidential_pardons.html

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
11. Make that 71,206.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 11:28 PM
Jun 2013

That he broke the law is not in question.

The question is whether his actions were justified.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
8. He stole classified information and gave it to a newspaper.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:46 PM
Jun 2013

He could end up in jail for the rest of his life.

In my opinion what he did was not wrong because he exposed massive government abuses of power.

That's why he should be pardoned.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. And that message would be?
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:45 PM
Jun 2013

That .033% of the more than 300 million people in the nation are supporters, and willing to go on record. I think that's why they have databases, to track that percentage of dissidents.

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