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Catherina

(35,568 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:46 PM Jun 2013

WikiLeaks' Assange urges support for Snowden, slams Obama 'betrayal'

WikiLeaks' Assange urges support for Snowden, slams Obama 'betrayal'
By Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
June 22, 2013 -- Updated 1513 GMT (2313 HKT)

(VIDEO at link)

London (CNN) -- WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange urged the world Saturday to "stand with" Edward Snowden, the man who admitted leaking top-secret details about U.S. surveillance programs, according to the text of a speech posted on Twitter.

As he appealed for a "brave country" to step forward and offer Snowden asylum, Assange also accused U.S. President Barack Obama of betraying a generation of "young, technically minded people."

Assange was scheduled to speak from the balcony of the Ecuadorian Embassy in London on Saturday, but the appearance was postponed at short notice "due to a security situation," WikiLeaks said on Twitter.

...

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/22/world/europe/uk-wikileaks-assange/index.html

Here is the text of the speech he wasn't able to give:

Julian Assange speech text Sat June 22 on 1 year, Snowden, Manning and more:

It has now been a year since I entered this embassy and sought refuge from persecution.

As a result of that decision, I have been able to work in relative safety from a US espionage investigation.

But today, Edward Snowden's ordeal is just beginning.

Two dangerous runaway processes have taken root in the last decade, with fatal consequences for democracy.

Government secrecy has been expanding on a terrific scale.

Simultaneously, human privacy has been secretly eradicated.

A few weeks ago, Edward Snowden blew the whistle on an ongoing program - involving the Obama administration, the intelligence community and the internet services giants - to spy on everyone in the world.

As if by clockwork, he has been charged with espionage by the Obama administration.

The US government is spying on each and every one of us, but it is Edward Snowden who is charged with espionage for tipping us off.

It is getting to the point where the mark of international distinction and service to humanity is no longer the Nobel Peace Prize, but an espionage indictment from the US Department of Justice.

Edward Snowden is the eighth leaker to be charged with espionage under this president.

Bradley Manning's show trial enters its fourth week on Monday.

After a litany of wrongs done to him, the US government is trying to convict him of "aiding the enemy."

The word "traitor" has been thrown around a lot in recent days.

But who is really the traitor here?

Who was it who promised a generation "hope" and "change," only to betray those promises with dismal misery and stagnation?

Who took an oath to defend the US constitution, only to feed the invisible beast of secret law devouring it alive from the inside out?

Who is it that promised to preside over The Most Transparent Administration in history, only to crush whistleblower after whistleblower with the bootheel of espionage charges?

Who combined in his executive the powers of judge, jury and executioner, and claimed the jurisdiction of the entire earth on which to exercise those powers?

Who arrogates the power to spy on the entire earth - every single one of us - and when he is caught red handed, explains to us that "we're going to have to make a choice."

Who is that person?

Let's be very careful about who we call "traitor."

Edward Snowden is one of us.

Bradley Manning is one of us.

They are young, technically minded people from the generation that Barack Obama betrayed.

They are the generation that grew up on the internet, and were shaped by it.

The US government is always going to need intelligence analysts and systems administrators, and they are going to have to hire them from this generation and the ones that follow it.

One day, they will run the CIA and the FBI.

This isn't a phenomenon that is going away.

This is inevitable.

And by trying to crush these young whistleblowers with espionage charges, the US government is taking on a generation, and that is a battle it is going to lose.

This isn't how to fix things.

The only way to fix things is this:

Change the policies.

Stop spying on the world.

Eradicate secret law.

Cease indefenite detention without trial.

Stop assassinating people.

Stop invading other countries and sending young Americans off to kill and be killed.

Stop the occupations, and discontinue the secret wars.

Stop eating the young: Edward Snowden, Barrett Brown, Jeremy Hammond, Aaron Swartz, Gottfrid Svartholm, Jacob Appelbaum, and Bradley Manning.

The charging of Edward Snowden is intended to intimidate any country that might be considering standing up for his rights.

That tactic must not be allowed to work.

The effort to find asylum for Edward Snowden must be intensified.

What brave country will stand up for him, and recognize his service to humanity?

Tell your governments to step forward.

Step forward and stand with Snowden.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rkv9jt


White House Petition to President Obama: Pardon Edward Snowden: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/pardon-edward-snowden/Dp03vGYD (101,876 signatures so far)

Avaaz Petition: Stand with Edward Snowden: https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_prism_global/ (1,230,074 signatures)
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WikiLeaks' Assange urges support for Snowden, slams Obama 'betrayal' (Original Post) Catherina Jun 2013 OP
Obama's betrayal? Snowden would be a good example of betrayal. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #1
Betrayal of the Authoritarians... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #2
The problem is Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #4
What utter nonsense. 99Forever Jun 2013 #6
the culture is best spoken for by the election results treestar Jun 2013 #13
Who are you debating? Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #22
I'm "debating" cowards... 99Forever Jun 2013 #25
"Unreasonable" is going thru my shit when I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #9
"If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear" davidn3600 Jun 2013 #12
Sacco and Vanzetti likely did nothing wrong, other than to be Italian and (politically) anarchists Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #18
Ethel gave Stalin Nukes DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #33
Um... no, she didn't. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #38
to be fair, they're not going through your shit... allin99 Jun 2013 #16
They are seizing my shit... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #17
agree. allin99 Jun 2013 #30
Why? Shivering Jemmy Jun 2013 #23
That's covered under "probable cause" (which itself can be abused) Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author allin99 Jun 2013 #31
Obama has not betrayed the Constitution, the cause has stretched and reshaped the truth to Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #20
k+r ..nt TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #3
Thanks TeeYiYi! Catherina Jun 2013 #5
The world is... TeeYiYi Jun 2013 #8
Me too. These men are going to go down in history books as heros who tried to stop Catherina Jun 2013 #11
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #7
The Father Knows Best wing of the party doesn't like whistle blowers. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #10
Had to know he'd get in on it treestar Jun 2013 #14
It's ongoing Hissyspit Jun 2013 #28
Why are you? treestar Jun 2013 #29
I think he's decided to try instead for a mention in the Guinness Book struggle4progress Jun 2013 #35
lol treestar Jun 2013 #36
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #15
Assange, Greenwald and Snowden Iliyah Jun 2013 #19
Crooks, Assange, Greenwald and Snowden, criminals all of them. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #21
Hyperbole: Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #26
You should direct this information to those who look to the likes of Snowden as being Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #32
I'm so glad I found a progressive website. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #27
. Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #37
betrayal? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #34
psst it's a meme, go with it ucrdem Jun 2013 #40
"But he broke his promise! This is a betrayal!" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #41
He violated my Billo Rights! ucrdem Jun 2013 #42
You have a problem with false memes? Hissyspit Jun 2013 #44
Like @ggreenwald: 'Allow me to quote from the NSA document: "COLLECTION DIRECTLY FROM THE SERVERS"'? ucrdem Jun 2013 #46
Not an example of a false meme Hissyspit Jun 2013 #47
I see. Only false if you say so. Alrighty then. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #48
Let's see, fugitive "Climategate" frontman wants me to stand with fugitive Ron Paul contributor? ucrdem Jun 2013 #39
More bs from you. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #43
Now you're hurting my feelings. ucrdem Jun 2013 #45
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
2. Betrayal of the Authoritarians...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:03 PM
Jun 2013

...is not betrayal of the American people or, more importantly, the Constitution:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
4. The problem is
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:11 PM
Jun 2013

"Unreasonable" is entirely culture dependent. If the culture accepts what the NSA is doing as "reasonable" then there is no problem.

So that's the real question here. Where are we at, culturally?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
6. What utter nonsense.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jun 2013

You certainly DON'T speak for "the culture" or anyone else beyond yourself.

I sure as fuck DON'T "accept it as reasonable" nor do millions of other law-abiding, American private citizens and OUR privacy isn't yours, George W Bush's, Dick Cheney's or Barack Obama's to bargain away for some false, temporary feeling of "security." Not before, not now, and not in the future.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
13. the culture is best spoken for by the election results
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jun 2013

At one point, the culture elected a Congress/President that passed the FISA, before that, there had been no restrictions on Presidents authority for wiretaps.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
22. Who are you debating?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

Certainly not me. I don't speak for anyone. But, by that token, neither do you.

So what makes you (or me) the arbiter of reasonable?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
25. I'm "debating" cowards...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jun 2013

... making excuses for why it's "okay" to make up new meanings for words that are already clearly defined and used in no uncertain terms in the document that GUARANTEES certain RIGHTS to me as a citizen. Among them is the RIGHT not to have my government SPYING on me without a warrant being issued as CLEARLY stated in the 4th Amendment.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
12. "If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear"
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jun 2013

I've actually seen people on DU say exactly that...

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
18. Sacco and Vanzetti likely did nothing wrong, other than to be Italian and (politically) anarchists
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jun 2013

...we know what happened to them. Or, to Ethel Rosenberg.

allin99

(894 posts)
16. to be fair, they're not going through your shit...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:01 PM
Jun 2013

they're storing your it and keeping it until they feel like going through it later.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
17. They are seizing my shit...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jun 2013

As per the 4th Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized


They have no right to.

Shivering Jemmy

(900 posts)
23. Why?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jun 2013

What makes that more unreasonable than going through your shit when you are merely a suspect? You still may have done nothing wrong in that case.

Different cultures define reasonable differently. Until recently I've been lucky enough to live in one whose definition I like. That is always subject to change.

In my opinion then we shouldn't focus on whether or not the law permits what's gone on. We should rally our arguments against the changing definition of what's reasonable.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
24. That's covered under "probable cause" (which itself can be abused)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:42 PM
Jun 2013

The gathering and storage of my private correspondences when I'm NOT EVEN SUSPECTED of something is not reasonable. Not. Even. Close.

Response to Shivering Jemmy (Reply #23)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
20. Obama has not betrayed the Constitution, the cause has stretched and reshaped the truth to
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

fit their needs today.

TeeYiYi

(8,028 posts)
8. The world is...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:26 PM
Jun 2013

...a little bit crazy and a little bit scary right now, with secret wars... weapons to Syria, Jordan etc.

I'm grateful to people like Assange and Snowden for walking the walk and trying to keep truth alive for the whole world to see.

TYY

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
11. Me too. These men are going to go down in history books as heros who tried to stop
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jun 2013

These men are going to go down in history books as heros who tried to stop our dangerous slide into totalitarianism.

The answer is "World Peace".

Response to Catherina (Original post)

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
10. The Father Knows Best wing of the party doesn't like whistle blowers.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

They should be along shortly to post utterly irrelevant material and accuse the whistle blowers of various crimes and prejudices. Not to mention girlfriends in Hawaii and dyspeptic neighbors.

struggle4progress

(118,316 posts)
35. I think he's decided to try instead for a mention in the Guinness Book
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:56 PM
Jun 2013

18 June 2013 Last updated at 19:01 ET
Assange 'to stay in embassy even if sex claims are dropped'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22962786

Longest stay in an embassy still isn't within easy reach, but Phoniest asylum claim or Most bogus political campaign could be


Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
19. Assange, Greenwald and Snowden
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jun 2013

keep it up dudes. It is only making Pres O stronger in resolve to help America by his continued devotion to social issues such as the economy and also making the case to VOTE!

Bash and trash on . . .

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
26. Hyperbole:
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:45 PM
Jun 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole :

...is the use of exaggeration as a rhetorical device or figure of speech. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

Hyperboles are exaggerations to create emphasis or effect. As a literary device, hyperbole is often used in poetry, and is frequently encountered in casual speech. An example of hyperbole is: "The bag weighed a ton." Hyperbole makes the point that the bag was very heavy, though it probably does not weigh a ton.

In rhetoric, some opposites of hyperbole are meiosis, litotes, understatement, and bathos (the 'letdown' after a hyperbole in a phrase).


...just so you know so you stop doing it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
32. You should direct this information to those who look to the likes of Snowden as being
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:31 PM
Jun 2013

Important when he has proven himself to be a thief. I will continue to call him a crook.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
34. betrayal?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 2013

When did Obama campaign on not prosecuting people for leaking classified information?

I must have missed it.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
41. "But he broke his promise! This is a betrayal!"
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jun 2013

What promise was that?

"Who knows...but he still broke it gawd dammit!"

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
46. Like @ggreenwald: 'Allow me to quote from the NSA document: "COLLECTION DIRECTLY FROM THE SERVERS"'?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:17 PM
Jun 2013

That kind of false meme?

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/343421926057861121

Why yes, I do.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
39. Let's see, fugitive "Climategate" frontman wants me to stand with fugitive Ron Paul contributor?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 08:09 PM
Jun 2013

I can't think of a single reason to stand, sit, or believe a word of either of them so pardon me if I roll on the floor instead:



Laughing, of course!

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