Nancy Pelosi Booed, Heckled Over Edward Snowden, NSA Comments At Netroots Nation 2013

[Catherina]

Nancy Pelosi Booed, Heckled Over Edward Snowden, NSA Comments At Netroots Nation 2013

Nick Wing
Posted: 06/22/2013 4:59 pm EDT



SAN JOSE, Calif. -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) drew vocal backlash Saturday for her answers to questions about National Security Agency data surveillance and whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Speaking at a gathering of progressive activists at Netroots Nation, Pelosi weighed in on recent controversy over domestic spying, claiming it was unfair to label this President George W. Bush's "fourth term." She argued that Democrats had brought increased oversight to the NSA programs by giving Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Courts -- or FISA courts -- a role in the process.

As she spoke about the need to "balance" privacy and security, a man stood and yelled, "it's not a balance, it makes us less safe." The man continued to decry "secret courts," and staffers began to escort him from the room.

...

Pelosi said that Snowden "did violate the law in terms of releasing those documents," a remark that elicited boos and yells throughout the ballroom. One man screamed, "You suck!"

...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/22/nancy-pelosi-booed_n_3484062.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I am glad she got that reception

It is beyond we press critters I guess.

[Catherina]

8. I am too. They need to hear it because they represent US, not the other way around n/t

[TxGrandpa]

72. We the People of the United States..............

Preamble to the Constitution. That says it all!!!

[bvar22]

34. I used to have a lot of respect for the fiery Liberal Congresswoman from California.

...but when she picked up that Speaker's Gavel in 2007, it all changed.
She parlayed her Congressional Seat into a Seat at the RICH Man's Table,
got an extreme Face Lift,
and NEVER looked back.


[font size=4]Now THIS is Bi-Partisanship!
Better get used to it, SUCKERS!!!
Hahahahahahahaha[/font]

[nadinbrzezinski]

36. From another source my boulder

Has gone down to just grain of salt.




http://news.firedoglake.com/2013/06/21/former-intelligence-analyst-obama-was-wiretapped-by-nsa-in-2004/

This might explain some.

[Monkie]

63. the peasants are revolting!

you dont vote for kings and queens

[nadinbrzezinski]

68. That happens to be a favorite scene of mine.

[snappyturtle]

117. Oh, that is good...thank you. nt

[99th_Monkey]

133. "Don't blame Obama"

He's just the messenger,
the message being, that we are
all F*U*C*K*E*D every which
way to Sunday.

Good bye America,
Hello Tyranny,
by and for the One Percent.

[liberal_at_heart]

37. exactly. Makes me wonder if there are any real liberals left in DC or did they all

drink the koolaid of bipartanship, compromise, and corporatism.

[xtraxritical]

55. You forgot "grand bargains".

[silvershadow]

134. Third way is alive and well. nt

[OilemFirchen]

91. "we press critters"

[sabrina 1]

97. That is a personal attack. Nadin is a 'press critter' who has written some excellent articles

about issues that may not be of interest to those who are not democrats, but to DUers are very much appreciated.

She is out there doing something, puts her real name on her work and it is sickening to see the continuation by this small group of this childish vendetta.

What do you do out there in the RL that might of as much interest as Nadin's work is? How easy it is to attack someone who is actually doing something under her real name, while posting anonymously on the internet.

[OilemFirchen]

114. What I do is of no import here.

What I don't do is represent myself as a member of a profession to which I am, at best, tangentially associated. A blogger is not a "press critter", though some "press critter(s)" blog.

Moreso, were I to represent myself as a professional journalist, I'd at least make some attempt to write cogently and carefully. I'd seek out criticism, rather than aggressively ignore it. And I certainly wouldn't portray my opinions as above reproach simply because of my putative station.

[sabrina 1]

115. Maybe you should just use the ignore feature for people who bother you that much.

Those, and it is a majority, of DUers who are interested in what Nadin has to say, even if they disagree with her, do not appreciate the bullying and the derailing of threads they want to read and comment on. What you would or would not do if you were a reporter is your business. It's not hard to ignore people you don't like, I do it all the time as do others. The administration has provided many tools so that no one needs to see anything they don't want to see.

This is off topic, to get back to it. This is not the first time Pelosi has been boo'ed at Netroots Nation.

[OilemFirchen]

120. Why on earth would I want to do that?

I don't use the ignore feature here or anywhere else. I can actually "ignore" someone by simply not reading what they've posted. But to wholesale disregard a member's posts limits my exposure to the discussion.

"It's not hard to ignore people you don't like, I do it all the time as do others."

I'm sure you do, and bully for you. Do you, as well, simultaneously announce your decision? Do you pride yourself in how large your ignore list is? I cannot begin to tell you how much that impresses me.

[leftyohiolib]

123. ive never understood the ostrich button ,could someone's words/thought be so threatening that you

cant even bear to see them

[Harmony Blue]

125. I agree time has come to voice feeback to our reps

we have to speak up now.

[Bluenorthwest]

2. Pelosi is one of the worst of the worst, she demanded absolution of Bushco lies and crimes

Off the table! shouted ultra rich Nancy, He's one of us!

[Purveyor]

31. Ha. Did I ever get my ass handed to me back around the first of the year when I suggested

she not be re-elected House Minority Leader.

[David__77]

77. Better Pelosi than Hoyer.

I supported and support her because the alternative is worse.

[bvar22]

89. Clever, aren't they.

Gathering votes and accumulating power based upon the Fool's Choice of which one is worse than the other.
They WIN.

We LOSE.

Always.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Oh and it tells me this is registering with people.

I guess those folks were "racists." This is the favorite shut up tactic these days.

[blkmusclmachine]

22. It's 11-Dimensional Racism.

[Aerows]

29. Chess you fool

It's 13 dimensional racist chess. Get it straight.

[Catherina]

32. Looks more like Parcheesi to me n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

105. Chinese checkers

[Catherina]

109. Go Fish n/t

[elleng]

4. It sure as heck IS a balance,

and its stated in the Constitution:

'The General Welfare clause is mentioned twice in the Constitution,

first, in the preamble and second, it is found in Article 1, Section 8.

The preamble reads: “WE THE PEOPLE of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution refers to the “general welfare” thus: “The Congress shall have the Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. . .”

The preamble clearly defines the two major functions of government: (1) ensuring justice, personal freedom, and a free society where individuals are protected from domestic lawbreakers and criminals, and; (2) protecting the people of the United States from foreign aggressors.'

http://www.lawandliberty.org/genwel.htm

[quakerboy]

138. Unless i misunderstand your post

You seem to have missed the point.

There is supposed to be a balance. What was intended, what is "supposed to be" is not always the same as what "is"

[elleng]

140. Of course you're right,

but my point is we should recognize that the U.S. has difficult challenges, and its recognized in the Constitution.

'provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare'

[Marr]

5. 'Look, we 1%ers agreed that that you peons don't have privacy rights...

... but we also agreed that you shouldn't know about it. So, by telling you about it, Snowden made himself a criminal'.

[Catherina]

11. That's about it. Then they back themselves up with some lip-pursing church choir

and think that's the end of the story. This time it's not. We have very few rights under our constitution compared to the constitutions of other countries. Even in several right wing Latin American countries, water is included as a constitutional right. We have a few lousy rights and they're not going to get away quietly with taking them away.

[leftyohiolib]

124. marr this is probably the best description ive heard of what happened, well said.

[forestpath]

6. She certainly does suck. But she has her insider traded stock

portfolio to soothe her when the riff raff start getting agitated.

[blkmusclmachine]

21. Pelosi claims the killing off of Social Security will "save it."

Don't care for that DINO, one bit.

[liberal_at_heart]

7. Good for them. Sounds like Netroots is at the forefront of fighting for privacy.

[Catherina]

16. Pretty soon someone will be along to call it a KKK rally

to bolster the ridiculous, ugly, incredibly lame, partisan accusation-of-the-week that anyone daring to criticize is a racist.

[Eleanors38]

118. ...reiterating NRA TalkingPoints™

[n2doc]

9. Good. Apply pressure. n/t

[Aerows]

10. She wants to look "forward"

and take things "off the table" she gets what she deserves.

[Th1onein]

45. She needs to look forward to retirement.

She's a sell-out.

[Caretha]

87. I wish

they would put a plastic table cloth on her covered in bps and only let her up for air when she convince us to "take it off the table".

[leveymg]

12. I'm sorry that it's gotten to this point, but we're past time for some pushback after the failures

of the Democratic leadership to stop a number of senseless aggressive wars started by the U.S. in the Mideast and the creation of a high-tech police state at home.

We simply have to face the fact: either you're part of the solution or part of the problem. Nancy, I regret to say, is part of the latter, and Steny even more so.

[Catherina]

18. I'm sorry too. It didn't need to be this way but for years they have ignored and disrespected us

so this is no surprise.

If they were representing us, like they were supposed to have been doing all along, we wouldn't be where we are now. And today's reaction wouldn't have come as a surprise. In fact it wouldn't have come at all. They have only themselves to blame if they don't like the reaction.

[leveymg]

24. They simply take the Left for granted, even as they move farther and farther Right. Johnson did that

but even he maintained his Liberal domestic economic policies. Obama and the rest of the leadership assume that they can altogether jettison what's left of the New Deal Coalition and rebuild and get reelected, anyway. I think they're in for a rude surprise and setbacks at the polls, worse than 2010.

[dixiegrrrrl]

86. Ya know, I have to agree with you on that.

Yes indeed.
Feeling ignored...that's it.
I am very very aware, more than I ever have been, that we no longer have a respresentative government of "the people".

[hootinholler]

112. Setback to where?

More of this tea party shit?

I ain't happy but I don't see much on the left happening as up and comers.

[leveymg]

116. Setbacks in purple states, like Virginia in 2010, where the progressive base was disillusioned and

the Party regulars ran a tepid centrist who lost by the same margin that Obama picked up in '08. Post-election analysis showed that the same demographics that showed up to support Obama - traditionally disenfranchised poor blacks and the youth vote -- didn't for the conservative Democrat running for Governor.

It's not that Northern Virgina progressive Dems didn't vote in 2010, it's that we didn't work very hard to turn out the vote of those who don't usually vote. That's the difference between winning and losing in purple states, and why progressives are essential to Democrats winning.

[Aerows]

25. I made comments, but I dislike having to bash Democrats

But if they would have bucked up and acted like Democrats in the first place, we wouldn't be here. That's the problem.

[Catherina]

28. Exactly.

I also think both parties need to clean house in Congress right now and get fresh blood in there

[Aerows]

30. We have some entitled, bloated bureaucrats infecting

legislative policy. No doubt about it, and they exist on both sides. Cleaning house means getting rid of the hoarders.

[Catherina]

33. Agreed. I would like to think our Republican counterparts are feeling the same

I haven't looked. Do you have a pulse reading?

[Ford_Prefect]

119. North Carolina Republicans are confused and angry, but they are a long way

from voting out the tea party. Just because they are not happy with the current GOP actions and leadership doesn't mean they have any useful ideas of their own. They are still fundamentalist conservatives, although they are not generally as extreme as those who run the party.

Simply put they do not quite get it. They imagine the world can go back to the good old days of Ronald Reagan. History, like the simple truth of many things, seems to elude them.

I have the feeling that many traditional republicans are greatly dissatisfied with the Libertarian turn of the present GOP. I suspect they would not feel comfortable with the term Moderate, let alone Progressive, although many of them have views on social issues, Education, Healthcare and National Security which place them to the left of current GOP and Neo-Liberal Democratic leaders. The problem for them is there are no Moderate Republicans left in the House, Senate, or GOP state parties.

Their problem seems much like ours in that the Party leadership has divorced itself from much of grassroots America in favor of Corporate patronage. The difference is they have no idea that many of the problems began with Reagan.

[Wilms]

13. Nancy who? n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

129. "Impeachment is off the table"

[ProSense]

14. "While Pelosi eventually won the crowd over"

As the discussion continued Saturday, Pelosi faced an impromptu question from an attendee who said we shouldn't be outsourcing national security. The California Democrat said she agreed, drawing applause.

While Pelosi eventually won the crowd over, she faced a number of aggressive questions on issues such as immigration reform and drones as she departed the venue.

There were likely people on both sides at the event.

The ACLU message isn't going to help Snowden.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023069890

[liberal_at_heart]

23. words are hollow. Her actions speak louder than her words.

[Aerows]

27. They don't

And I loved her until she took prosecuting Bush off of the table. Then she took the Public Option off of the table. And then I realized she didn't sit at the table I'm at.

[xtraxritical]

60. She's vying to keep "independents" in her corner.

[quakerboy]

139. She's vying to keep "money" in her corner

The "independents" are a wonderful excuse to sell out. On both sides.

[lumberjack_jeff]

122. +100 n/t

[Aerows]

26. Please continue

to commit verbal herbicide in your relentless defense of people that don't do the right thing in the Democratic party. Can you include some blue link dressing, too?

[asjr]

40. You may as well stop using reason on this board. All

you will receive is a snarky answer. This should be renamed Undemocratic Underground. It has become an Off with her/his head for quite some time. I remember a time when there were actual discussions here. Now when someone wants to print something halfway decent and a different posture half the blog starts berating you and wants to make you feel foolish for saying anything that makes sense and they do not agree with. And of course they are all sharpening their knives because I dared to point out what is happening. It simply is not worth it anymore.

[Th1onein]

47. Good grief, Prosense.

I just don't know what to say anymore.

[Iliyah]

58. Took strength huh?

[Caretha]

88. She agreed?

but what role did she play in making it become the rule of the land. I hold her and all the Dinos responsible, and even her more when she decided that breaking the law didn't pertain to those in power.

[Union Scribe]

99. Sounds like she relented (and probably lied) to avoid more booing. nt

[JDPriestly]

93. I like this:

Snowden is innocent until proven guilty before a court of law and he must be afforded all of his rights as an American citizen. If he is brought to an American court, he must be afforded every opportunity to defend himself and convince a judge that what he did was justifiable and patriotic, even if he is charged with violating laws that themselves pose a threat to our democracy.

Finally, we say as Americans that we are tired of seeing liberty sacrificed on the altar of security and having a handful of lawmakers decide what we should and should not know. We are tired of living in a nation governed by fear instead of the principles of freedom and liberty that made this nation great.

https://www.aclu.org/secure/president-obama-guarantee-due-process-edward-snowden?ms=taf_acluaction_snowden_130622

[bike man]

15. It is really sad to realize that people in her district reelected her. Several times.

[madamesilverspurs]

17. Was a time

when we resoundingly rebuked the teabaggers for such behavior. Now we're imitating and applauding it??

[rhett o rick]

20. This is a class war and Nancy is not on our side. nm

[KoKo]

80. True...Nancy is certainly of the 1%...she can't get over that...

Neither can many of of Female House/Senate Critters.

They are what they are.

[blkmusclmachine]

19. Don't care for Impeachment's off the table Pelosi

Just another DINO

[madrchsod]

35. stay classy netroot nation

shouting "you suck" is a sure fire way to get your point across.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. Actually it is a way to try to get

Over the bubble these people live in.

[liberal_at_heart]

39. maybe getting yelled at in public will embarrass them. Phone calls and emails from their

constituents sure as hell doesn't seem to do any good. The sound coming from their wallet is too loud for them to hear us.

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. I know for a fact since this broke

They are having a hard time. You know they are in trouble when my local press shoots hardballs...I know I did.

[tex-wyo-dem]

94. Exactly...we need to realize that...

+90% of Congress has the same sounds emanating from their pocketbook downing out the screams from their constituents. They just simply are out for themselves and couldn’t really give a shit.

[DontTreadOnMe]

41. It's the "You Suck" Party

we have no solution for voting in someone else, instead we just yell at you. Or maybe we throw a pie at you.

And now you know why idiots like Michelle Bachmann get elected. Because the Left has an ineffective way at making their point in public meetings.

We better get better at electing government officials, or there will be more Bachmanns coming.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. If elections work. Right,

[DontTreadOnMe]

51. Are you waiting for a perfect world?

maybe you should hold your breath until it happens.

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. Nope, just one where our elected officials

who work for us, actually do work for us. For the momemt voting, outside of local elections, is a fiction.

[MADem]

90. Chris Christie will give 'em something to cry about.

I swear, some are only happy when they're BEYOND miserable....

[Rooting for the Dems]

131. Perfect can't always be the enemy of good.

Too many posters think they have all the answers. They are very single minded, too black and white. I believe there's a ton of gray in the world, even more in the political world. On balance, I like Pelosi. I voted for Obama twice and would gladly do so a third time if I could. Come on folks, quick acting as if you know exactly what you'd do and how you'd handle every difficult situation if you were in their shoes. Life is full of compromises. But it's still wonderful (even with the NSA) and I think is often made better by our less than perfect Democratic leaders like Pelosi and Obama.

[tex-wyo-dem]

95. you need to clear the fog from your eyes and realize...

That our elections are a sham...the whole election process is a joke. The only candidates who even come close to sniffing a high level government office are preselected corporatist willing to sell out for a fat bank account.

[Iliyah]

78. Apparently they do not

feed the world with peace

[zeemike]

69. But it don't work the other way around does it?

Tea baggers can yell one insult after the other and it don't elect democrats does it?
Nope because that kind of thing rallies the right wingers to vote....they see that as being strong....and they see us being nice and polite as a weakness to be exploited...and basicly gives those that would vote democrat no incentive or reason to vote at all.

it goes to the saying that nice guys finish last, because it indicates someone that ypu can walk all over.

[Logical]

62. LOL, well it made the news. And people here tend to like it. So you might be wrong! n-t

[Le Taz Hot]

111. In that she refuses to

Meet with her constituency and turns a deaf ear and blind eye to lib
Real Democrats' concerns, what do you suggest we do to get her attention?

[Hissyspit]

132. Netroots under the bus!

I've been to Netroots. This is not unusual.

Thank goodness.

[Iliyah]

43. Pelosi can endure it, that a Dem women

Speaker again, yes!

[Major Hogwash]

102. She's as tough as nails.

She had to look Cheney right in the eyes for 2 years after she became the Speaker of the House in 2006.

None of these other people would have been able to look the Emperor right in the eyes for 2 whole years and make him blink!

[AnotherMcIntosh]

44. She knows that under a "balance" approach, anything can be justified. Including blocking impeachment

[blue neen]

46. I'm sorry to hear that.

n/t.

[Iliyah]

49. Yep. A women huh.

[CarmanK]

50. At Net Roots Nation, that is incredible! Nancy Pelosi has a great track record for protect common gd

[octoberlib]

52. Until we have campaign finance reform, nothing will change.

It takes massive amounts of money to run for office. Politicians are governing to please their biggest contributers so they can keep that money coming in. Congress is basically running a protection racket.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. That is part of the answer

[liberal_at_heart]

59. are there any liberals championing this cause that we can throw our support behind?

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. Not that I have heard off.

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. sic semper tyrannis

[Civilization2]

57. Good for him! She is defending corporate-military power, not the people.

Sellouts should be shouted down,.

"a role in the process" really?

What lapdogery.

[DLevine]

64. Good. She earned it. nt

[Progressive dog]

65. A man stood up is majority support

From the actual story at the link. You forgot the part about winning the crowd over.
"While Pelosi eventually won the crowd over, she faced a number of aggressive questions on issues such as immigration reform and drones as she departed the venue."

[liberal_at_heart]

67. the point is they were addressing the issues and making her address the issues. Maybe if they feel

heat they will start doing the work the voters put them there to do instead of just lining their pockets with lobbyists' money.

[Progressive dog]

70. The point is she won them over,

that is the end of the story. She faced down hecklers and won the crowd over.
Shouting "you suck" is addressing no issue that I know of.

[liberal_at_heart]

71. they made her address the issues of immigration and NSA spying. They did more than just yell

you suck.

[Progressive dog]

75. She gave the talk she intended to give and they rudely interrupted her.

They did yell "you suck". She didn't come there to talk about nothing and not surprisingly most of them wanted to hear her rather than the hecklers. Shouting people down is not a good way to get them to address your concern in my experience.

[Iliyah]

76. I am women

Strong! 2016 the year of a women USA President.

YES!

[Union Scribe]

98. By agreeing with them, not by convincing them

that spying is neato.

[Progressive dog]

107. I didn't know she thought spying was neato

I should search for the "neato" quote when I have lots of time.

[kentuck]

66. What a shock!

To the establishment Parties.

[zeeland]

73. I'm making a list, checking it twice...Big Fail Nancy n/t

[Egalitarian Thug]

74. "Impeachment is off the table". n/t

[SleeplessinSoCal]

79. Watching liberals tear each other apart is not a very pleasant experience.

Pelosi is the last person we should be bashing at this point. She gets plenty of it from the other side of the aisle. If she opts to retire, there will be nobody to replace her with her leadership ability or record for standing up for liberal and progressive ideas and principles.

I swear OBL is laughing his ass off right now.

[Iliyah]

81. Where is all the outrage

women's right and voting votes and just living in a democracy.

Bad stuff is happening within, and I figure your privacy is more important than whats happening in America cause it your privacy.

[Autumn]

82. "You suck!"

perhaps they will get a "warrant" for his phone and email real quick. that made my day. Thanks for posting

[MannyGoldstein]

103. +1

Succinct. There it is.

[ProSense]

83. More from Netroots Nation

Liberal activists: Obama as Bush Lite? 'No way in hell'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023070857

Good piece, quotes from activists, Howard Dean, Jim Dean and others.

[patrice]

84. Well, I guess if HuffHo says they were "progressive" activists, I guess all of them were

progressive activists. No possibility of tricks for clicks there.

[Iliyah]

85. Its the selfness

don't give a shit who get hurt as long as they don't and they have their privacy. Fuck you.

[kenny blankenship]

92. Henceforth, Netroots attendees will be forced to remove their shoes

prior to audiences with any Democratic Party nomenklatura.

[Fantastic Anarchist]

96. Let me join them.

Booooooooo!,

[cherokeeprogressive]

100. Damn her and the rest of the 1%ers we THINK represent us.

For her, "balance" is making sure the level of surveillance is that which guarantees her wealth while making the general public think their government is looking out for the other 99%.

And from what I've seen here the last couple of weeks, she's right on track.

[Apophis]

101. She got what she deserved.

[Lint Head]

104. She led the charge that said GWB and Dick Cheney should not be investigated for war crimes.

[alp227]

106. local mercury news article

http://www.mercurynews.com/rss/ci_23520021

Security guards escorted one activist and information-technology worker, Marc Perkel of Gilroy, out of the hall where Pelosi was speaking after he stood up and loudly questioned her out of turn.

"Leave him alone!" audience members shouted. Others yelled "Secrets and lies!"Â" and "No secret courts!" and "Protect the First Amendment!"

Pelosi had been trying to contrast the Obama administration's approach to probing the data of Internet and phone companies with the warrantless surveillance techniques of the administration of George W. Bush.

She said 2008 amendments made to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, as well as a 2007 bill enacting recommendations
of a 9/11 commission, created more checks on the executive branch that are still in place.

[Denzil_DC]

108. This is heckler Marc Perkel's main website

http://www.perkel.com/

As you'll see if you click through, he has many, many others.

As he reveals on this blog post, he was banned from DU2: http://marc.perkel.com/2004/06/12/should-blacks-thank-america-for-ending-slavery/

Here's the DU2 post that led to his banning:

Should Black People Thank America for ending Slavery?

I want to take the opposite position from those who think that America should apologise to Black people for slavery. Lets look at reality here.

America wasn't the ones who started enslaving blacks. They usually bought black slaves from other blacks in Africa where slavery still exists.

The decendents of the slaves in America are generally far better off that the decendants of those who were not brought to America. Blacks in America should be thankful for their own personal sake that their ancestors were brought over here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1777551

And here's some folks on DU2's reaction at the time: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1777551

[Catherina]

110. Thanks Alp n/t

[NorthCarolina]

113. Good.

Rightly deserved.

[limpyhobbler]

121. LOL She deserves it. nt

[Hotler]

126. "Impeachment is off the table." Rember that one??? n/t

[cantbeserious]

127. Maybe The American People Are Starting To Wake Up

eom

[Myrina]

128. So because the gov't has "oversight" its ok?

"We know the NSA is spying on citizens and violating their 4th Amendment rights, but because they're reporting it to us, it's ok"

[WillyT]

130. K & R !!!

[truebluegreen]

135. She had it coming, for claiming FISA is actually "oversight."

Primary her. Primary them all.

[Catherina]

136. That's exactly how I feel. " Primary them all".

And Impeachment is off the table. And a bunch of other bullshit. Do these people really think we weren't paying attention?

[truebluegreen]

137. Apparently so.

So many "insiders" who have been there so long and only really listening to each other...no wonder their view of reality is skewed.