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Cornell West called our President a war criminal (Original Post) bigdarryl Jul 2013 OP
Thanks for the info. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #1
Maybe he should be prosecuted noise Jul 2013 #2
It all started with a mix-up over inauguration tickets. arely staircase Jul 2013 #141
gasp! KG Jul 2013 #3
bush did = bad, obama does it = good? that's why there will be no bush prosecutions nt msongs Jul 2013 #4
I'll never understand how people can support policies that are so similar to Bush's. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #69
So did Bill Ayers DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #5
He should take it up with The Hague. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #6
The Right to Free speech ... dtom67 Jul 2013 #7
THE President. He called THE President a war criminal. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #8
nobody knows who he is nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #9
Nobody white anyway. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #16
Really, cuz I'm white... one_voice Jul 2013 #18
Oh! So you have heard about this Dr. West that nobody has. Exellent! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #33
what he means is, and is correct in, is nobody but political junkies know who the hell he is. dionysus Jul 2013 #39
Indeed. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #53
their Walmart sponsored tour? LOL dionysus Jul 2013 #67
Nope. And even one of DUers biggest critics of Dr. West admitted she was wrong.. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #80
This white girl PasadenaTrudy Jul 2013 #23
You are lucky in that! truedelphi Jul 2013 #60
That's impossible! Nobody knows who he is! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #63
I've repeatedly cited Toward A Socialist Theory of Racism in my academic work NuclearDem Jul 2013 #24
Crazy that you challenge me but not the person who claims that nobody knows who he is. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #38
Wasn't particularly directing it at either one of you. Just replied in the little chain going there. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #43
Except for the fact that you challenged me instead of the post that claim that nobody Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #84
Dr. Cornel West SamKnause Jul 2013 #25
You should let arely staircase know that but according to that DUer, nobody know who he is. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #44
That's not true. Matariki Jul 2013 #52
virtually nobody of any color outside of a small circle of academics and self-styled intellectuals arely staircase Jul 2013 #122
Sorry. The fact that you don't know something has no effect at all on what the rest of us know. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #31
I've met him RainDog Jul 2013 #49
You are entirely mistaken about that. (nt) Heidi Jul 2013 #81
That's very true nobody knows who he is tularetom Jul 2013 #108
LOL burnodo Jul 2013 #109
And by nobody, you mean yourself DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #118
You really think Cornell West is a household name? arely staircase Jul 2013 #123
Since a majority of Americans can't name the Vice President of the United States DefenseLawyer Jul 2013 #124
no my point is that an obscure academic bad mouthing the president is a tree falling in the arely staircase Jul 2013 #127
Let us not consider, even for one moment, whether he might have a valid point or not Electric Monk Jul 2013 #10
Doesn't he know, as explained by Nixon, "When the President does it, ... it's not illegal." AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #11
He was talking about the collateral damage done with drones Cleita Jul 2013 #12
War Criminal SamKnause Jul 2013 #13
Read "Dirty Wars" and get back to me. Or go see the movie... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #14
Whenever I see Cornell West on any talk show. Blackford Jul 2013 #15
Yup, wouldn't want to risk any understanding or knowledge seeping in. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #32
the posts I've seen of yours make me wonder why you're here olddots Jul 2013 #34
You must feel very proud of yourself Scootaloo Jul 2013 #78
Well bless your heart. nt awoke_in_2003 Jul 2013 #85
Welcome Back! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #115
Hmmm. laundry_queen Jul 2013 #116
To be fair he did call Bush a war criminal as well bigdarryl Jul 2013 #17
The whole freedom of speech thing... 99Forever Jul 2013 #19
you fit two stale 2008 DU primary slurs in one post, extra points for you, and a gold star. dionysus Jul 2013 #42
Authoritarian Rofl Wafflers UNITE bobduca Jul 2013 #51
weak sauce, try harder. dionysus Jul 2013 #66
The "authoritarian" thing Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #76
and previously banned DUers like to snipe dionysus Jul 2013 #82
Shruggie bobduca Jul 2013 #121
Yeah Cornel, let's disregard how Obama has drawn down 2 wars. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #20
So.. ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #21
That "perfectly legal" part probably has a huge impact on whether it's a war crime. Just sayin' stevenleser Jul 2013 #140
Fuck Cornel West...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #22
From what I know about west...He is a man who thinks his words taste like honey... Tikki Jul 2013 #128
He would fit right in then HipChick Jul 2013 #26
On what basis? nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #27
I respect Dr. West quinnox Jul 2013 #28
Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious Jul 2013 #29
The Meeting Of Far Right & Left... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #30
It's why I completely rebuked all extreme politics in 2011. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #40
you remind me of my alcoholic friend.. frylock Jul 2013 #77
I Never Mentioned "Fault"... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #83
sounds like he's just so upset cuz he's not liked by as many people as O bobduca Jul 2013 #35
More like he's upset because he didn't get seats to Obama's inauguration. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #46
SERVES HIM RIGHT bobduca Jul 2013 #47
Ah, it's ok. West is probably just a raci- NuclearDem Jul 2013 #48
Sarcasm ain't your strong point. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #50
Nice try, but he didn't get a ticket because he's a nobody. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #54
I know, our president is a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR bobduca Jul 2013 #57
This is the saddest post I have EVER read on this site. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #74
psst bobduca Jul 2013 #120
it is certainly one of the most revealing about the level of ignorance here from some xiamiam Jul 2013 #135
He has always been quite envious of Obama's sophistication. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #36
hmmmmnnn.... quite frylock Jul 2013 #79
he's an angry, jealous, bitter douche. screw him dionysus Jul 2013 #37
Oh right. An 'angry black man' Matariki Jul 2013 #56
no, angry jealous hypocrital man... dionysus Jul 2013 #75
Sarcasm, or just more of the same? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #58
If angry jealous bitter douche actually means principled socialist fighting for the poor NuclearDem Jul 2013 #61
his "poverty tour" with tavis smiley was sponsored by walmart, wake up. dionysus Jul 2013 #70
I guess that makes the good doctor, a corporate wh*re????!!! Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #106
If by Walmart you mean Feeding America, National Education Association, and AARP, then yes NuclearDem Jul 2013 #136
+1 Matariki Jul 2013 #138
I admire Dr. West. Apophis Jul 2013 #41
Cornell West is in love with the sound of his own voice. phleshdef Jul 2013 #45
No - he has a genuine moral center Matariki Jul 2013 #55
I didn't say I thought he was faking his beliefs. phleshdef Jul 2013 #59
Should Cornel West be tried under the Espionage Act? noise Jul 2013 #64
Come off of it. phleshdef Jul 2013 #65
Should Cornel West be designated as an enemy combatant? noise Jul 2013 #93
that's just a stupid thing to say... dionysus Jul 2013 #73
And your post Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #86
Oh so you think it's ok for a citizen to noise Jul 2013 #89
A headline without the video of the quote is a disservice to us here and Dr. West olddots Jul 2013 #62
Well actually he would be considered one except... Bonobo Jul 2013 #68
big ups frylock Jul 2013 #71
That's probably because President Obama is guilty of war crimes. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #72
What's his DU user name? Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #87
Or may-be.. Cha Jul 2013 #91
An equally logical theory. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #92
Why would anyone want to support noise Jul 2013 #94
Why indeed? n/t Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #95
Nicely put noise Jul 2013 #96
When I "put" Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #98
L O L Cha Jul 2013 #97
... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #99
Congratulations noise Jul 2013 #100
Are you fucking kidding me? You think Cornell West is "just another Rand Paul wannabe?" Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #101
Agreed-- There is much too much "talking from the other end" Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #104
I have honestly never seen such an incredibly low level of reasoning on DU. Bonobo Jul 2013 #126
Cornell West is a fucking idiot. Cha Jul 2013 #88
Why do you believe he is a "fucking idiot?" Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #90
Because he criticizes Obama burnodo Jul 2013 #110
Well, that settles it then. pa28 Jul 2013 #102
Dr. West was discussing Drone strikes zeeland Jul 2013 #103
Fuck cornell west NT Crabby Appleton Jul 2013 #105
West says whatever he thinks will get him his next tv/radio gig. Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #107
Ego! Ego! Ego! burnodo Jul 2013 #111
Exactly! Exactly! Exactly! And then there's the green eyed monster. nt Tarheel_Dem Jul 2013 #112
Dr West speaks truth to power and he always gets vilified by those UserNSAv32 Jul 2013 #113
You said that perfectly Amaya Jul 2013 #119
well put..thanks..even i'm surprised that duers are unfamiliar with Dr. West xiamiam Jul 2013 #133
Who is he? eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #114
Conelle West held Obama to a higher standard Amaya Jul 2013 #117
Technically, all modern presidents could be classified as "war criminals" by someone MrScorpio Jul 2013 #125
Brother Cornell has been on Brother Barack's ass for 5 years. Nothing new. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #129
Wipe and dangle all the live long day but I doubt you have the audacity or required soullessness TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #131
You don't see me defending any of that stuff, do you? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #132
Fair enough but then there is no reason to cry foul when someone calls a President on those actions TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #137
His mother didn't love him enough. Something is really off with that dude. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #130
The NSA needs to keep a close eye on this guy. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #134
yep and not for the first time. He has that right. n/t librechik Jul 2013 #139
It must be because he's a racist. hughee99 Jul 2013 #142
This is all because of a personal snub. He's trying to pretend this isnt stevenleser Jul 2013 #143
Bill Maher VS. Cornel West on Obama Being a War Criminal Go Vols Jul 2013 #144

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
141. It all started with a mix-up over inauguration tickets.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

Obama became increasingly hard to track down after his election but came through with a ticket for West. Tickets for West's mother and brother were nowhere to be found, and the three ended up watching the event from their hotel room.West told Hedges:

"What it said to me on a personal level was that brother Barack Obama had no sense of gratitude, no sense of loyalty, no sense of even courtesy, [no] sense of decency, just to say thank you. Is this the kind of manipulative, Machiavellian orientation we ought to get used to? That was on a personal level."

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2011/05/cornel-wests-continuing-feud-barack-obama/37842/

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
69. I'll never understand how people can support policies that are so similar to Bush's.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:35 AM
Jul 2013

I guess as long as their team is winning they don't really care what policies are pursued.

dtom67

(634 posts)
7. The Right to Free speech ...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jul 2013

was specifically created to enable the individual to speak his or her mind without the fear of government retaliation. You may not like what you hear, but " Freedom isn't Free"...

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
8. THE President. He called THE President a war criminal.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 10:54 PM
Jul 2013

Any President who engages in targeted assassinations and continues programs of mass surveillance and indefinite detention is not my President.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
18. Really, cuz I'm white...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:17 PM
Jul 2013

and I've known who he is for a very long time.

Do you think white people don't know any black people besides, Will Smith, Denzel, the president, Chirs Rock and Ice Cube (the Friday movies were pretty popular, Boyz in the Hood too).

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
33. Oh! So you have heard about this Dr. West that nobody has. Exellent!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:36 AM
Jul 2013

So what do you think abut arely staircase' comment that nobody knows who he is? And what do you think about Dr. West's assessment of President Obama?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
80. Nope. And even one of DUers biggest critics of Dr. West admitted she was wrong..
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:46 AM
Jul 2013

From Frenchiecat: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1711934

"I posted incorrect information......re: Smiley and West Poverty Bus Tour"

And she links to the correct info:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1711934&mesg_id=1712222

"Tavis Smiley's America IAM The African American Imprint Museum traveling collection has several sponsors including Wal-Mart, but it is not connected to the poverty tour.

Here is the poverty tour site: http://www.povertytour.smileyandwest.com /

The sponsors for the poverty tour are listed as Feeding America, The National Education Association, and AARP."



 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
24. I've repeatedly cited Toward A Socialist Theory of Racism in my academic work
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jul 2013

Also, as a socialist myself, of course I'd be familiar with one of the most outspoken socialists in the country.

Oh, and I'm white.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
25. Dr. Cornel West
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jul 2013

This pasty white, 60 year old, Atheist woman knows and greatly admires Dr. Cornel West !!!!!

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
31. Sorry. The fact that you don't know something has no effect at all on what the rest of us know.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:22 AM
Jul 2013

It is human nature to judge others by ourselves, but that doesn't make the judgment valid.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
108. That's very true nobody knows who he is
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:14 AM
Jul 2013

He sure as hell isn't the man I supported and voted for twice, he acts more like George bu -oh I see you're talking about Cornell West.

Never mind.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
118. And by nobody, you mean yourself
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:08 AM
Jul 2013

Go to the library. It's free as long as you return the books on time.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
124. Since a majority of Americans can't name the Vice President of the United States
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:33 AM
Jul 2013

or their own Congressman, you'd be hard pressed to name anyone who isn't in pop culture that would qualify as a "household name". By your logic we should pay more attention if Britney Spears or Peyton Manning comments on the President. But to be precise, I did not assert that "everybody" knows who Dr. West is, I only questioned your assertion that "nobody" does.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
127. no my point is that an obscure academic bad mouthing the president is a tree falling in the
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:43 AM
Jul 2013

forest. Cornell west says Obama is a war criminal and virtually nobody gives a shit because nobody knows who he is. If Joe Biden called Obama a war criminal that would be a big deal, whether a majority of people can name him or not.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
12. He was talking about the collateral damage done with drones
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:03 PM
Jul 2013

mainly children. I think he was overstating to make a point.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
13. War Criminal
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:10 PM
Jul 2013

Dr. West is correct.

The accusation fits past administrations and the current administration.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. Read "Dirty Wars" and get back to me. Or go see the movie...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:12 PM
Jul 2013

The Obama admin is drenched in the blood of innocents.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
78. You must feel very proud of yourself
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:41 AM
Jul 2013

Would you like a pat on the back? No? You've got it covered? Okay then.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
17. To be fair he did call Bush a war criminal as well
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:15 PM
Jul 2013

At least he's consistent but damn he and his partner Travis Smiley sure seem like they are constantly hating on the President

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. The whole freedom of speech thing...
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:18 PM
Jul 2013

... really chaps you Cult of Personality types ass, doesn't it.

Here's a tip you can pass along to your can-do-no-wrong "rock star.":

If you don't want to be known as a war criminal, end the policies and actions that make people have that opinion of you.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
76. The "authoritarian" thing
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:40 AM
Jul 2013

is SO last week.

Apparently you haven't received the latest Talking Points Memo from the home team.

Or maybe they're decided to keep you out of the loop - for a reason.

Hmmmmmm ....

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
121. Shruggie
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:58 AM
Jul 2013

Sir, your use of shruggie is the last straw! I challenge you to a duel of wits! I shall wait here on the field of onions til you regain yours.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
20. Yeah Cornel, let's disregard how Obama has drawn down 2 wars.
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jul 2013

Forget all of that stuff; he is still a war criminal because of a perfectly-legal program that has been approved repeatedly by both parties in Congress. It's incredible how some of the folks on our side of the spectrum are much quicker to go after a President of their own party than people who are actually responsible for changing laws, but have refused to do so.
I would have never expected such ignorance about basic civics from a supposed-professor.

 

ForeignandDomestic

(190 posts)
21. So..
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:22 AM
Jul 2013

we're supposed to brush aside the fact that innocent little brown children have been killed by a Drone program because it's "perfectly-legal"?

Florida's Stand Your Ground Law is "perfectly-legal" as well so what's all the big fuss about?

The fact of the matter is the usage of Drones and innocent deaths at the hands of said Drones which is the discussion at hand here has tripled under the Obama administration and oppose to Bush.

And please save us the law lesson, President Obama has waged a war on Libya without the consent of the congress which is OUTSIDE of law and has issued many Executive Orders, alot of them at the behest of the Military industrial Complex.

So it appears Obama is not so constrained to use his executive authority when it fits him such as waging wars and such. But he is now somehow powerless to stop a program which on record has killed innocent civilians in the thousands including many children.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
140. That "perfectly legal" part probably has a huge impact on whether it's a war crime. Just sayin'
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

Because yes, it is perfectly legal in the US, and in terms of international law, the only slight question is whether its an issue that the CIA is doing the targeting. No one is going to be brought to the Hague on questions like that.

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
128. From what I know about west...He is a man who thinks his words taste like honey...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jul 2013

Kind of ronald reaganish, really.


Tikki

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
30. The Meeting Of Far Right & Left...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jul 2013

...that Libertarian lady next to Wilde kept agreeing more and more as the show went along. By the end, they were kindred spirits in ODS...

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
46. More like he's upset because he didn't get seats to Obama's inauguration.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:45 AM
Jul 2013
“I couldn’t get a ticket (to the inauguration) with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration…. We had to watch the thing in the hotel.”

Read more: Cornel West v. Barack Obama | The Nation http://www.thenation.com/blog/160725/cornel-west-v-barack-obama#ixzz2Ytx9BS1r

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
57. I know, our president is a CONSTITUTIONAL SCHOLAR
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:05 AM
Jul 2013

What the hell is this goofy looking cornel west all about anyways?!?!?!

He is SOOOOOO crazy sounding what with his leftist claptrap and rhetorical flourishes!




xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
135. it is certainly one of the most revealing about the level of ignorance here from some
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:25 PM
Jul 2013

not that the past month hasn't removed the masks but it is to the point that getting stuck on stupid is something to be proud of..amazing

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
61. If angry jealous bitter douche actually means principled socialist fighting for the poor
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:10 AM
Jul 2013

Then yes, true.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
45. Cornell West is in love with the sound of his own voice.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:44 AM
Jul 2013

And he has been saying stuff like that for quite awhile now.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
55. No - he has a genuine moral center
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:03 AM
Jul 2013

as opposed to playing 'team politics' and 'our side' right or wrong.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
59. I didn't say I thought he was faking his beliefs.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:06 AM
Jul 2013

But I do think he misjudges a lot of situations and I think he talks too damn much.

noise

(2,392 posts)
64. Should Cornel West be tried under the Espionage Act?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:22 AM
Jul 2013

Criticizing the Commander in Chief on national TV? That sounds like espionage of some kind.

noise

(2,392 posts)
93. Should Cornel West be designated as an enemy combatant?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:32 AM
Jul 2013

He criticized our leader. That is so out of line.

noise

(2,392 posts)
89. Oh so you think it's ok for a citizen to
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:26 AM
Jul 2013

criticize the Commander in Chief without being prosecuted as a traitor? Really?

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
62. A headline without the video of the quote is a disservice to us here and Dr. West
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:14 AM
Jul 2013

made a lot of people look and pre judge but what the hell .......

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
68. Well actually he would be considered one except...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:35 AM
Jul 2013

To really be JUDGED a war criminal, you have to actually lose a war.

Winners don't become war criminals. Only losers.

But has he committed what should be judged as war crimes?

Well, yeah. He has.

The other tough thing is that he doesn't call them wars.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
72. That's probably because President Obama is guilty of war crimes.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:37 AM
Jul 2013

Unless we are now going to deny the ethics of drone strikes.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
92. An equally logical theory.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:32 AM
Jul 2013

With all the lock-stepping going on among the anti-lockstepper crowd, it's hard to tell one from the other.

noise

(2,392 posts)
96. Nicely put
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:36 AM
Jul 2013

Dissent is a luxury we simply can't afford until complete victory is attained by our dedicated leaders.

Summer Hathaway

(2,770 posts)
98. When I "put"
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:44 AM
Jul 2013

I always do it nicely.

It's the only way to keep the easily-swayed happy - and thinking they have something relevant to say.

noise

(2,392 posts)
100. Congratulations
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:48 AM
Jul 2013

You guys are kicking ass and taking names!

Cornel West is just a Rand Paul wannabe.

We must not waver in our unequivocal belief in the Commander in Chief.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
101. Are you fucking kidding me? You think Cornell West is "just another Rand Paul wannabe?"
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:50 AM
Jul 2013

Have you not ever read anything the man's published?

People need to stop talking out of their ass on this stuff.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
126. I have honestly never seen such an incredibly low level of reasoning on DU.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jul 2013

It's like...wow.

Derp on steroids.

zeeland

(247 posts)
103. Dr. West was discussing Drone strikes
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:08 AM
Jul 2013

under Bush vs. Obama. The actual numbers. He stated facts that have been
posted here numerous times. No revelations. Watch the clip if you are so
inclined. Watch it before pissing all over this man's good name.

 

UserNSAv32

(54 posts)
113. Dr West speaks truth to power and he always gets vilified by those
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:16 AM
Jul 2013

who lack the ability to objectively listen to him.

Yes President Obama is a war criminal, just like Bush, Cheney, and Reagan sadly all are getting/got away scot free.

American hubris is why we are not a member of the ICC.

We are not longer a country that followers the rule of law we are a nation of thugs now.

Is this the America we can be proud of? I do not think so.

I am once again ashamed to be an American, just like during the Reagan and Bush years.

It is incredibility depressing that a Democratic President is a war criminal it should be US, the members of the Democratic party, who should be leading the call for his trial on war crimes.

Unless you think that it is ok for a democrat to commit crimes with impunity then you have to agree that ANY POTUS can commit war crimes with impunity too.


One either believes in the rule of law or one does not, yes it is that simple and that black and white there is no middle ground.



xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
133. well put..thanks..even i'm surprised that duers are unfamiliar with Dr. West
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

how is that possible? He is a leading progressive mind in the country. I admire and respect him and can't believe that someone on a supposed progressive democratic forum would actually say that nobody knows who he is. Shameful. Turn off the Kardashians and pick up a book or two.
One thing I admire about him among many is that he comes across with great love and patience. Intelligence and GENUINE compassion and care for the least among us has earned Dr West a well deserved place as one of the foremost American thinkers and leaders.
I agree with him about Obama and so will history.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
125. Technically, all modern presidents could be classified as "war criminals" by someone
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:36 AM
Jul 2013

That's just a fact of life.

At this point, I'm just taking this stuff with a grain of salt

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
131. Wipe and dangle all the live long day but I doubt you have the audacity or required soullessness
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:11 PM
Jul 2013

to actual defend and support the practices of "signature strikes" and "double taps".

Best to just blow off such things and change the subject. If pressed just loop in "the fog of war" or discuss the effects of carpet bombing.

Being amoral is not really an improvement on being immoral, it is arguably worse as one can end up doing anything for any reason as long as it moves their ball toward whatever aim (profit, power, eternal keep away from the political opposition at any cost).

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
132. You don't see me defending any of that stuff, do you?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

I'm merely saying that, when it comes to modern occupants of the Oval Office, they all have presided while this country has committed one atrocity or the other.

America, itself, is a nation of war criminality.

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
137. Fair enough but then there is no reason to cry foul when someone calls a President on those actions
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 11:25 AM
Jul 2013

All of them being war criminals isn't a defense of any sort but rather demonstrates systemic criminality rather than the tired "bad apple" defense that makes a fix way more than electing one face after another face to do the same thing with alternating letters by their names.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
134. The NSA needs to keep a close eye on this guy.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jul 2013

His words aid the enemy by embarrassing the commander-in-chief.

This could hurt morale in the military.


hughee99

(16,113 posts)
142. It must be because he's a racist.
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

If I understand correctly from some other DUers, all criticism of the President is based in racism.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
143. This is all because of a personal snub. He's trying to pretend this isnt
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 12:10 PM
Jul 2013

about that snub, but it is.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/160725/cornel-west-v-barack-obama#axzz2ZE2IqeZE

Cornel West v. Barack Obama
Melissa Harris-Perry on May 17, 2011 - 3:12 PM ET

Professor Cornel West is President Obama’s silenced, disregarded, disrespected moral conscience, according to Chris Hedges’s recent Truthdig column, “The Obama Deception: Why Cornel West went Ballistic.” In a self-aggrandizing, victimology sermon deceptively wrapped in the discourse of prophetic witness, Professor West offers thin criticism of President Obama and stunning insight into the delicate ego of the self-appointed black leadership class that has been largely supplanted in recent years.

West begins with a bit of historical revision. West suggests that the president discarded him without provocation after he offered the Obama for America campaign his loyal service and prayers. But anyone with a casual knowledge of this rift knows it began during the Democratic primary, not after the election. It began, not with a puffed-up president but when Cornel West’s “dear brother” Tavis Smiley threw a public tantrum because Senator Obama refused to attend Smiley’s annual State of Black America. Smiley repeatedly suggested that his forum was the necessary black vetting space for the Democratic nominees. He needed to ask Obama and Clinton tough questions so that black America could get the answers it needed. But black America was doing a fine job making up its own mind in the primaries and didn’t need Smiley’s blessing to determine their own electoral preferences. Indeed, when Smiley got a chance to hold candidate Clinton “accountable” he spent more time fawning over her than probing about her symbolic or substantive policy stances that impacted black communities. Fiercely loyal to his friend, Professor West chose sides and began to undermine candidate Obama is small and large ways. Candidate Obama ceased calling West back because he was in the middle of a fierce campaign and West’s loyalties were, at best, divided. I suspect candidate Obama did not trust his “dear brother” to keep the campaign secrets and strategies. I also suspect he was not inaccurate in his hesitancy.

West may have had principled, even prophetic reasons, for choosing this outsider position relative to Obama, but it is dishonest to later frame that choice as a betrayal on the part of the president. After what I had written about Senator Clinton during the campaign I wasn’t expecting an offer from the State Department.

Furthermore, West’s sense of betrayal is clearly more personal than ideological. In Hedges’s article West claims that a true progressive would always put love of the people above concern with the elite and privileged. Then he complains, “I couldn’t get a ticket [to the inauguration] with my mother and my brother. I said this is very strange. We drive into the hotel and the guy who picks up my bags from the hotel has a ticket to the inauguration…. We had to watch the thing in the hotel.” Let me get this straight—the tenured, Princeton professor who collects five figures for public lectures was relegated to a hotel television while an anonymous hotel worker got tickets to the inauguration! What kind of crazy, mixed-up class politics are these? Wait a minute…

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