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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI haden't heard this audio of Zimmerman being interviewed before. Man does he sound like he is lying
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Then Zimmerman whispers something. What is that you whispered? the officer asks. Fucking what?
Punks, Zimmerman says.
This time, the officer seems genuinely taken aback. He wasnt a fucking punk, he responds.
A few moments later, he asks Zimmerman why he kept following Martin even after the police dispatcher told him not to. Zimmermans answer is staggering.
I wanted to give them an address.
An address? This may be the moment that will convict him. It means that even he suspected that Martin was a legitimate visitor to the complex, staying in an apartment and legally on the property, Zimmerman continued to pursue him. And it makes sense that Martin was staying there because of the terrain, the complex being isolated from other complexes and a mile distant from the nearest shopping center. A professional thief would be moving intentionally, not wandering down the middle of the street in the full light of the streetlamps. Although Zimmermans fear supposedly hinges on the series of robberies that the police believed had been addressed already with an arrest, it seems clear that even Zimmerman didnt really believe his own alibi. More likely, even in his mind, Martin was a kid from the neighborhood out smoking a joint and at the worst, looking for a little illicit excitement a fking punk.
At this point, the officer asks again why he was following Martin and Zimmerman flat-out lies. I wasnt following him, I was just going in the same direction he was. The cop just laughs.
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Just Saying
(1,799 posts)Jury heard this too.
aquart
(69,014 posts)Finnmccool
(74 posts)That TM at some point in his walk home decided to beat someone to death with his bare hands. Not beat them up but beat them to death then pick the most ineffective method to do it
The old cover the mouth and pinch the nose. Why did GZ pick that? He knew he couldn't claim he tried to strangle him cause that would leave marks and he didn't have any.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)Zimmerman: I dont remember. I just, cause I was on the phone. It happened so quickly.
Serino: Well, ah, I understand that, George, but I guess that its um if it was a bicycle theft I could say OK, but its kinda important. I mean, was he running as to evade you, get away from you, ah, maybe got tired of getting wet in the rain. What kinda run was it? I mean, it sounds like hes running as to get away from you.
Zimmerman: I dont know why he was running.
Serino: But what kinda run was it? Cant say?
Zimmerman: I dont know.
Serino: OK.
(plays tape 2:08 to 2:10)
Serino: OK, is that you getting out of the car?
Zimmerman: Yes.
Serino: OK.
Singleton: So as soon as he runs, youre getting out of the car to follow him.
Zimmerman: When he says which way are you running, I turned off the ignition.
Singleton: I dont know.
(plays tape 2:10 to 2:14)
Serino: At that point youre out of the car?
Zimmerman: I think so.
Serino: OK, so you basically jumped out of the car to see where he was going?
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
Serino: OK. Thats not fear. You know what I mean?
Zimmerman: Yes, sir.
Serino: Thats one of the problems I have with the whole thing, or Im gonna have. I mean, I dont have any problems at all, its just that its gonna be a problem
Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)Singleton: But you decided to get the address
fresh in the second after you say, Oh, shit, hes running. And then it sounds like youre running too.
Serino: Cause it was fast walking maybe?
Zimmerman: No, it was just windy.
Serino: It was. OK.
Here is what the weather was at 7:00 that night in Sanford:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/histGraphAll?day=26&year=2012&month=2&ID=KSFB&type=3&width=614
http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSFB/2012/2/26/DailyHistory.html?MR=1
It was 5 mph and here is the definition of what is windy:
Official National Weather Service guidelines say that "breezy" is when wind velocities are in the 15-25 mph range.
"Windy" is when wind velocities are in the 20-30 mph range.
5 mph is NOT even close to breezy! It's basically calm. Fucking liar!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)GZ was hunting TM down. At least, that's what this transcript tells me.
vaberella
(24,634 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)They were swimming in the community pool. He didn't recognize them, so he got out and demanded to see their identification, to make them prove that they had a right to be in the community pool When they refused, he called the police on them.
It's in the logs of his many, many, many calls to the police. I'm sure they already knew that he was at best a total weirdo.
I'm sure he tried to detain Trayvon for the same reason.
He actually believed that he had the right to demand identification from people using the community pool. That's not surprising, knowing what he now know of him, but I would not have appreciated having someone like him harassing me and my family like that. I probably would have reported him to the police or the property managers.
Sounds like he was nothing more than an overgrown bully.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)The comment about the address wasn't to give police an exact address on where to meet him -- that never did make sense because Zimmerman kept changing the meeting place and eventually just said "have them call me", so it has, perhaps mistakenly, been listed as one of the string of lies Zimmerman told. Rather, the comment about the address was to give police the address where Trayvon Martin was staying within the complex because Zimmerman thought Martin most likely lived there. It makes a good deal of sense. And it may have actually been a rare moment of truth.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Watch his re-enactment video with the police. He claimed that he didn't get out of the car to pursue Martin but to get an address of where he was at that time. Which is so stupid because he also claimed he didn't know the name of the street when he'd lived there for four years and there are only 3 streets in the complex.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)And it is a new twist the article brings up.
When Martin ran off Zimmerman got out of the car but quickly lost him. Because Zimmerman thought Martin lived there he wanted to get the address of where Zimmerman lived and it wasn't near where he parked his car so he had to get out. To Zimmerman, if he was only tailing Martin to get the address of where he lived he wasn't pursuing him, he was just tailing him. After Martin ran and ditched Zimmerman he found a hiding spot where he waited for nearly 4 minutes then when he thought the coast was clear, came out of his hiding spot only to notice that Zimmerman had spotted him and was coming in his direction and that is when all hell broke loose. Zimmerman probably thought there were legal problems if he told the truth so he covered that up with a lie. Obviously, this is speculation but it works. In fact, it fills in a lot of blanks.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Like I said, go listen to Zimmerman's re-enactment video he did with the police. He SPECIFICALLY says that he got out of the car to get an address of where HE was so that he could give it to the police to meet HIM. He didn't KNOW where Martin lived, in fact, believed he didn't live there at all, nor did he walk to Martin's house who he didn't know was Martin's house to get the address of where he lived. He DIDN'T KNOW Martin lived there. He didn't BELIEVE Martin lived there. He SPECIFICALLY told the police why he got out of the car and what address he was looking for and why - he claimed he was looking for the address of where Zimmerman himself was located so that the police could meet him there.
The whole story of looking for an address is a LIE to excuse the reason he got out of the car when the tape of the dispatch phone call makes it clear he got out of the car to follow Martin. On that tape he is talking to dispatch and suddenly interrupts and says "Oh shit, he's running!" And at that exact moment gets out of the car and chases after Martin. You can HEAR it on the tape. That's why the dispatcher asked him if he was following Martin, because of what he said and that he heard him get out of his car and give chase. The police even tell him it's bogus.
world wide wally
(21,744 posts)complain jane
(4,302 posts)Having conversations about this trial with people I know has brought out some ugliness in people that I never expected. People that I know, people I went to high school with. Jumping to Zimmerman's defense and I can't understand it.
This has certainly caused me to rethink some of these friendships. We're all entitled to our own opinions but hypocrisy and ignorance make my blood boil.
Jim__
(14,077 posts)He claims the non-emergency police operator on the phone asked him for an address. The call is recorded. His claim is pure bullshit. But Zimmerman continues to maintain that he didn't know the address. Right outside where his car was parked, the building on the right had an address. Zimmerman walked a fair distance between the backs of 2 rows of houses to "find an address." On the walk-thru with the police, he points to the back of the building on the left and says, "See, no address."
Zimmerman had lived in the neighborhood for 4 years and walked his dog in that area every day. There are 3 streets in the complex. Zimmerman claimed he didn't know what street he was on.
John Guy, the prosecutor, pointed all this out in his closing.