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truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
Fri Jul 12, 2013, 11:42 PM Jul 2013

Thank you so much, Pres Fracking Obama, and Thank You also

Former Secretary of State Hillary "Fracker" Clinton, and thank you also former Pennsylvania governor, Ed "Frack Up" Rendell

Shame on you, you Friggin' frackers. Shame on you for reining in the EPA, depriving the mid-level EPA workers from an ability to do their jobs and help local families and stop the fracking. SHAME AND MORE SHAME AND

[h2][font color=red]HOW THE HELL DO YOU FRIGGING FRACKERS SLEEP![/h2][/font color=red]

You see, for a while I was seriously worried that I would not, in my lifetime, ever know what it was like to be an American Plains Indian, circa 1865 to 1899. That there would never be a time in my life when I saw the future and that future included the hideous and total end of America's eco-system, including our ability to enjoy, for posterity, our drinking water.

Josh Fox has brought forth the second part of his fine documentary series, "Gaslands." The future that Part II of "Gaslands" shows us is not a pleasant one, and it raises a nightmarish scenario of public officials, on the very local, state and Federal level, who have all been bought and paid for, and who are so deeply tied into the profit margins of their buddies in BI g Energy firms that they have rigged the EPA's upper management to the point that the agency will no longer protect Us Americans..

And now I know that the eco system will be bartered away. People across the USA are losing their drinking water, their eco-system, and the normal life they have had for decades.

Even here in California the state of California officials (at the state level) tell us that they don't know how to legally set up boundaries between the greed of those in the natural gas industry and the protections needed by our eco system if it is going to remain a viable, water providing resource.

Like who will protect the Wyoming family that shows Josh Fox how there are now chemicals in their irrigation system that are only present in the contaminated areas where fracking has occurred? With fracking processes, over 500 chemicals are applied to the fracking mixture, many of them dangerous to human health, and then there is the fact that fracking also includes utilizing and polluting millions of gallons of water per well, and the result is appalling.

Are any DU'ers reading this thinking, "Where do I sign up - I'd really love some strontium and benzene in my family's water?" How does any one family restore their water, and their crops and their trees and remove the damage to their health from the air pollution etc, after fracking processes and the gas wells have been pockmarking the landscape around the home and the crops? Who helps such a family?

Anyway the move Gasland II has a plot. I won't be a spoiler, so please watch for yourselves. HBO has it "ON Demand" for anyone who subscribes to HBO.

But as sad a story as this tragedy is, I am reminded by "Gaslands" of a cartoon character who at this point I would gladly see replace Michell Obama in the WH. When the local nuke plant is polluting the water of Springfield, CartoonLand USA, Marge Simpson invites Mr Burns, the owner of the nuke plant over to their home. And although Burns has sworn up and down that the townspeople are worry warts and that there is simply no need to worry about the quality of the drinking water near the cooling towers, the final scene in that cartoon is noteworthy.

Unlike me, Marge Simpson does not get on a soap box. But she does take action. All she does while Mr Burns visits is serve him up, for dinner, the three-eyed fish someone had caught near the Cooling Towers Pond. And Burns at first is eager to dig into it, and then he realizes what this really means if he eats it, and...

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Thank you so much, Pres Fracking Obama, and Thank You also (Original Post) truedelphi Jul 2013 OP
corp interests over the citizens', every time. KG Jul 2013 #1
You are ever so right. truedelphi Jul 2013 #35
This is what needs to sink in. polichick Jul 2013 #38
ODS Scurrilous Jul 2013 #2
An Australian who speaks out during the film states: truedelphi Jul 2013 #7
It seems to me, given what I know from post here at DU.... WCGreen Jul 2013 #13
There is one possible headache in her future. truedelphi Jul 2013 #17
No, facts. Maven Jul 2013 #30
I watched Gasland II yesterday at the hotel while waiting for my call to go to work. neverforget Jul 2013 #3
And of course the gas industry says it's just a pack of lies. pa28 Jul 2013 #36
Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance is what I thought neverforget Jul 2013 #37
Between the oil and gas companies and monsanto it just makes me crazy Marrah_G Jul 2013 #41
The Cabal will get Ms. Clinton nominated. They will make us believe we are free because we get to rhett o rick Jul 2013 #4
Meanwhile, Lisa Jackson who did her best to be truedelphi Jul 2013 #11
Tell us about the 'Cabal' nominating Ms. Clinton. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #19
I don't know if I can provide actual names, but truedelphi Jul 2013 #40
This should get brilliant. flvegan Jul 2013 #5
Scoot over. I've got some Junior Mints, want to share? n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #6
Sweet. flvegan Jul 2013 #21
FRACKING blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #8
Freakin Frackin johnnyreb Jul 2013 #9
That was awesome. Thank you. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #29
Fracking and energy exploration connected to earthquakes, say studies jtuck004 Jul 2013 #10
I beleieve that over in Great Britain, a fracking operations was shut down truedelphi Jul 2013 #12
The Oligarchs Pay For The Politicians - The Politicians Do Their Bidding - The Citizens Suffer cantbeserious Jul 2013 #14
Rather nasty sheshe2 Jul 2013 #15
Republicans don't exist in her world. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #16
Sad. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #18
Yes. Now what is your view on fracking? Thank you. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #31
If you can watch the movie, I think it would be very educational. truedelphi Jul 2013 #22
Excuse me? Michelle Obama has made a name for herself truedelphi Jul 2013 #20
Well said truedelphi!! KT2000 Jul 2013 #23
State of California is next. truedelphi Jul 2013 #25
there are nuke power plants questionseverything Jul 2013 #32
Great Post Truedelphi - Interview of Josh Fox by Laura Flanders VERY REVEALING sally5050 Jul 2013 #24
Thanks for the link. I wonder how many weeks or months it will take truedelphi Jul 2013 #28
Gasland II was a horrifying movie. Blue_In_AK Jul 2013 #26
thank you... good post BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #27
I oppose fracking and I think your post is hysterical. arely staircase Jul 2013 #33
Watch the film and then get back to me. truedelphi Jul 2013 #34
Like I sai, I oppose fracking. arely staircase Jul 2013 #39

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. You are ever so right.
Reply to KG (Reply #1)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jul 2013

What we are witnessing as the days unfold is that we in America no longer have an elected government. What we have are the public, "pretty faces" of some of the more insidious forces that this world has ever known as those faces now join forces with those behind-the-scenes monsters, to sell Us Americans out, county by county and state by state.

We would never vote for the coldblooded, humorless individuals who head the companies that are fracking our lives away. But put a cheerful, pleasant face on an elected office, and we swallow the filth, the contamination and cancer and death, because we like the image.

Sarah Palin said "Drill Baby Drill." And immediately she as denounced and proclaimed the harpy of environmental destruction. She did nothing, but she told the truth about what she would do.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, a few years later:

Yes, contrast Palin and the reaction to her that with what happened the week of June 11th 2013, when Obama gives us a nice speech. Obama says nothing except offer up a very pretty speech in which he claims the environmental high ground regarding Global Climate CHange. People then felt good about him, once again. His bid to displace the media's concentration on Ed Snowden and NSA revelations works. (At least, that was how it was until some critics point out that all he was saying in that speech is how we must continue to promote natural gas and therefore, although he doesn't use the word, "fracking." )

Anyway, in the final analysis, we no longer have an EPA. At least we no longer have an agency whose acronym indicates "Environmental Protection Agency." What we have now is the "Enthused for Polluters Agency."

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
7. An Australian who speaks out during the film states:
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:20 AM
Jul 2013

"What is at stake is not just the environment, but democratic governance itself." And that is it in a nutshell.

Michelle made public her love of organic gardening, Spring of 2009, even as her husband was appointing Mike Taylor to the top position at one of the more important divisions of the FDA. (Taylor is key to Monsanto's dominance of the political world.)

So she either allows herself to be used to distract us from what is really going on, or else somehow she doesn't realize it. Since she comes from a heady background where she once served as an Administrator of a major hospital, I'd have to say she totally approves of being a distraction.

WCGreen

(45,558 posts)
13. It seems to me, given what I know from post here at DU....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jul 2013

The First Lady is in on the fix but has nothing to worry about since her future and her children future and their childrens. children are safe...

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
17. There is one possible headache in her future.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:12 AM
Jul 2013

Malia asked her daddy why he wasn't doing more about the BP mess and how come he couldn't get the leak stopped.

We might have the making of a rebel in at least one of the two daughters. It wouldn't be the first time that kids in a conservative, establishment-oriented home grow up to defy the system.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
3. I watched Gasland II yesterday at the hotel while waiting for my call to go to work.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:08 AM
Jul 2013

I was so angry afterwards that it gave me a headache. Fuck fracking.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
36. And of course the gas industry says it's just a pack of lies.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:55 PM
Jul 2013

At the risk of getting another headache try watching this response. No rebuttal or anything they just try to smear Fox as a rich environmentalist, call him a liar and then highlight a fictional editorial from a fictional newspaper to back up their position. Then they accuse him of lying again.





neverforget

(9,436 posts)
37. Koyaanisqatsi: Life Out of Balance is what I thought
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:05 PM
Jul 2013

of while watching Gasland and Gasland II. Seeing this response confirms to me that humans are doomed. Greed will be the death of us all.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
4. The Cabal will get Ms. Clinton nominated. They will make us believe we are free because we get to
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jul 2013

choose between Corporatist A vs. Corporatist B. Fuck that shit.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
11. Meanwhile, Lisa Jackson who did her best to be
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:46 AM
Jul 2013

Honorable and decent about the fracking issue, was forced out of the EPA.

http://blog.epa.gov/administrator/bio/

I would consider finding out more about her and having her in some office somewhere. OF course, the governance of this nation seems available only to those candidates who are under the control of the Corporations.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
40. I don't know if I can provide actual names, but
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:12 PM
Jul 2013

The upper level "leadership" folks at Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Banking, Big Insurance, Big Military, and Big Surveillance, all get their say.

And it is quite likely that some of the players listed at this link either have some say, or are closely connected to those who do:

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/quarterly-refunding/Pages/members-index.aspx

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
10. Fracking and energy exploration connected to earthquakes, say studies
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:43 AM
Jul 2013

Here:

The rivers of water pumped into and out of the ground during the production of natural gas, oil and geothermal energy are causing the Earth to shake more frequently in areas where these industrial activities are soaring, according to a series of studies published today. While the gas extraction process known as hydraulic fracturing (aka "fracking&quot causes some small quakes, it's the disposal of wastewater following that process — and many others relating to energy production — that lead to the largest tremors.

...
Scientists have known for several decades that human activity can cause the ground to shake, but the rise in earthquake frequency paralleling the rise in production of oil and gas from shale rock formations has made the issue a hot topic, Ellsworth noted.

For one, scientists don't know how big — and thus deadly — these induced earthquakes can be. "We know a lot about the process that starts an earthquake — both natural and man-made ones — but what is really difficult for us to understand at this point is how far they will run once they get started," he said.

Most induced earthquakes, like natural ones, are tiny, Ellsworth said. But a few have been large enough to feel and caused minor damage, including a magnitude 5.7 event near Prague, Okla., on Nov. 6, 2011, that destroyed 14 homes and injured two people. Another study, published in Science, linked it to an injection well used to dispose wastewater from oil operations.
...


Interesting article and maps. The best part I thought came at the end when they are talking to a gas company engineer, and she suggests that "society" might decide that "a few earthquakes" are an acceptable trade-off against global warming.

That's a peek into their marketing strategy, always valuable for someone who wants to guard against the harm their development will cause.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
12. I beleieve that over in Great Britain, a fracking operations was shut down
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:48 AM
Jul 2013

After it was shown that the process caused earthquakes. It only took one or two earthquakes there to get the government to act sensibly.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
15. Rather nasty
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:03 AM
Jul 2013

bringing the First Lady Michelle Obama's name into this. You would gladly replace her with Marge Simpson? You do not attack the First family here.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that she sets policies for this country.

If you have issues take it up with the President. Leave the family out of it.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
16. Republicans don't exist in her world.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:07 AM
Jul 2013

Only Democrats. And they're to blame for all the ills. I give her this, she knows her audience and knows how to play to it.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
22. If you can watch the movie, I think it would be very educational.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:41 AM
Jul 2013

Josh Fox is a young, articulate and gifted film maker. On first impression, he looks like he could have been the very sort of person who would have been out there in the rank and file October 2008 and trying to get college kids out to vote for Obama.

Obama heads the government.

His heading the government means that he is in charge of the EPA appointments. So actually the President is in charge of that agency. If you have definitive proof of how the evil awful horrid Republicans have twisted his arm and forced him against his will to make Lisa Jackson resign from the EPA, and have forced him against his will to insist that mid-level EPA workers back away from the job they were doing, and it is not his fault, but the fault of the "R" - let me know, and I would consider such a proof.

The Republicans have done some horrid horrid things, (Lying us into the Iraq war, Abu Gharib, for starters) but no, they are not responsible for who heads the EPA or what has been going on at that agency over the last five years.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
20. Excuse me? Michelle Obama has made a name for herself
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:34 AM
Jul 2013

on a soapbox she created. No one forced her, Spring 2009, to design a healthy organic garden and to then hold a press conference. She announced how health-oriented she is. She herself announced how she is all "about the children."

And some of us who really do care about the environment find her organic garden never passed the smell test. I know a lot of lady organic gardeners and none of them would be sleeping with any man who promoted Mike Taylor, and the other Monsanto scumbags that have arrived at top positions at the Agriculture Department and the FDA.




KT2000

(20,583 posts)
23. Well said truedelphi!!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:50 AM
Jul 2013

hard to muster any hope - children, families, communities are nothing but throwaways.
I did have hope for our leadership but no more - more money for the few is all there is now.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
25. State of California is next.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:11 AM
Jul 2013

Monterrey Shale Reserve is about to become the next victim of "drill baby drill," and that reserve covers virtually the bottom half of the state.

Given that the San Andreas fault runs right along the south western edge of that shale reserve and that fracking increases earthquakes, in terms of strength and number, we are definitely heading into "interesting times."

And then there is the matter of how the Central Valley supplies so much of this state, and a lot of the rest of the planet, with their produce and veggies. Those won't be worth growing once the fracking gets underway.

 

sally5050

(151 posts)
24. Great Post Truedelphi - Interview of Josh Fox by Laura Flanders VERY REVEALING
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:07 AM
Jul 2013

I especially like the part of the Interview where Josh says Obama won't even meet with the families affected. So true we are a government run by lobbyists and corporations instead of a government of / by and for the people

Here is the Laura Flanders interview of Josh Fox if you are interested in it..

http://grittv.org

or on youtube..



truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. Thanks for the link. I wonder how many weeks or months it will take
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:28 AM
Jul 2013

The "Scientists" in Big Industry to come out with studies that totally refute these "methane risk claims?"

Judging by all the other "science studies" that I have heard lobbyists telling us citizens about, I wouldn't doubt that in less than six months, we will find out that "latest studies show" how methane rarely leaks from any fracking processes, and even if it does, it can be recaptured and then used as baby lotion and tooth paste!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
34. Watch the film and then get back to me.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:30 PM
Jul 2013

Plenty of science that supports the hysteria. And wtch "Gaslands II" even if you have already seen "Gaslands I." The significant finding in "Gaslands II" is not merely the spectacular news that we now possess the science behind how it is the frackers that are destroying the environment (And the scene in which the special camera can detect and offer the visuals on all the methane escaping continuously from each drill site, that scene is chilling!) Rather what is most chilling is how as the Australian I quoted in a post above states, "What is at stake is not just the environment, but democratic governance itself." And that is it in a nutshell.

Here's some science as revealed in the film: In even a small arena of fracking operations, say two counties in PA, there are tens of thousands of these drilling wells. Since the containment structures of five percent of them are known to leak immediately - not a year or two from now but NOW! - and since thirty to fifty percent of these structures will leak over the next thirty years, we are talking about a potential loss of clean water such as the world has never ever known.

Meanwhile the EPA has been restructured over the last twelve months, especially since Obama re-took office in Jan 20th 2013. Lisa Jackson, who was heading the EPA, has been tossed out for being too effective against the frackers, and the mid level people have at EPA are no longer allowed to do their jobs, in terms of researching how the fracking is responsible for the changes in the water, soil and air.

So we no longer have an EPA. At least we no longer have an agency whose acronym indicates "Environmental Protection Agency." What we have now is the "Enthused for Polluters Agency."

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