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Scuba

(53,475 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:09 AM Jul 2013

We're paying all the NSA's bills

From McPaper, no less ....



http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2504819

What the government pays to snoop on you


In the era of intense government surveillance and secret court orders, a murky multimillion-dollar market has emerged. Paid for by U.S. tax dollars, but with little public scrutiny, surveillance fees charged in secret by technology and phone companies can vary wildly.

AT&T, for example, imposes a $325 "activation fee" for each wiretap and $10 a day to maintain it. Smaller carriers Cricket and U.S. Cellular charge only about $250 per wiretap. But snoop on a Verizon customer? That costs the government $775 for the first month and $500 each month after that, according to industry disclosures made last year to Congressman Edward Markey.

Meanwhile, email records like those amassed by the National Security Agency through a program revealed by former NSA systems analyst Edward Snowden probably were collected for free or very cheaply. Facebook says it doesn't charge the government for access. And while Microsoft, Yahoo and Google won't say how much they charge, the American Civil Liberties Union found that email records can be turned over for as little as $25.

Industry says it doesn't profit from the hundreds of thousands of government eavesdropping requests it receives each year, and civil liberties groups want businesses to charge. They worry that government surveillance will become too cheap as companies automate their responses. And if companies gave away customer records for free, wouldn't that encourage uncalled-for surveillance?


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We're paying all the NSA's bills (Original Post) Scuba Jul 2013 OP
And in the meantime, the people get ... 99Forever Jul 2013 #1
Water Bill at new center:1,742,400 gallons per Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #2
.. and that is what really pisses me off - paying these monkeys to spy on me geckosfeet Jul 2013 #3
No we are NOT, we are paying interest to the 1% on the bills Coyotl Jul 2013 #4
holy crap. $500 a month for each? that's going to add up. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #5
Unless... Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #6
I guess we are lucky the government doesn't bill us Generic Other Jul 2013 #7

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
1. And in the meantime, the people get ...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:14 AM
Jul 2013

... "chained CPI" for SS and cuts to Food Stamps and Meals on Wheels for the hungery.


WE'RE NUMBER 1! WE'RE NUMBER 1! WE'RE NUMBER 1!

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
2. Water Bill at new center:1,742,400 gallons per
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:20 AM
Jul 2013

More secrets, more water? The NSA data center in Bluffdale could require as many as 1.7 million gallons of water per day to operate and keep computers cool.

Initial reported estimates suggested the center would use 1,200 gallons per minute, but more recent estimates suggest the usage could be closer to half that amount.


http://www.ksl.com/?sid=25978926&nid=148


Good thing its not in an arid state that's threaten with drought.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
4. No we are NOT, we are paying interest to the 1% on the bills
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:13 AM
Jul 2013

When we have a balanced budget, then you can say that.

Meanwhile, the Rs gave the 1% their giant tax break, we borrow that money back from them, and then pay them interest on their tax breaks in perpetuity.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
6. Unless...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:23 AM
Jul 2013

Some of their secret cash supply comes from the uptick in heroin sales and overdoses lately.

I can't remember EVER seeing as many heroin busts in this area as we are seeing now.

When the government keeps secrets on how you tax money in spent and it's spent on an agency that is spying on us, anything could be possible.

http://www.thetelegraph.com/news/local/article_4833c922-bbbf-53ed-a1f2-365ebeee948c.html

http://www.wgme.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/top-stories/stories/archive/2013/06/fPhIC2bt.xml

http://www.sunjournal.com/news/lewiston-auburn-oxford-hills-river-valley-franklin/2013/06/22/heroin-busts-overdoses-rise/13804

http://themoreheadnews.com/local/x1614271992/Heroin-bust-seizes-13-204-in-drug-money

Dot one, Afghanistan------------Dot two, Iran Contra-------------Dot three, secret funding of American spy agencies and secret projects--------Dot Four, Nationwide uptick in Heroine distribution-----------------Dot Five, Kennebunkport/Maine possible port of entry and point of distribution for Afghani products--------------Dot Six, Mr. Obama has changed his mind about W not being a "Bad president."

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
7. I guess we are lucky the government doesn't bill us
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jul 2013

for spying on us too. When is there going to be a taxpayer revolt for real? I am sick of underwriting this sort of evil.

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