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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:14 AM Jul 2013

Russia 'has not received' Snowden asylum bid

Russia 'has not received' Snowden asylum bid

Russia has not received an asylum bid from fugitive US intelligence leaker Edward Snowden, Moscow officials say.

In his first appearance since fleeing to a Moscow airport from Hong three weeks ago, Mr Snowden had said he would apply to Russia on Friday.

He wants to go to Latin America where he has been offered asylum.

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The director of the Russian migration service, Konstantin Romodanovsky, said on Saturday that no request had been made.

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, meanwhile, told reporters at a foreign ministers' meeting in Kyrgyzstan: "We are not in contact with Snowden."

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23300425

Strange that he didn't file the request yesterday as he stated he would do. What was the point of the PR event?

How the Snowden Affair Became a Freak Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023235597

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Cha

(297,304 posts)
1. The point of the PR event? "Nazi" bad USA.. good Russia.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:18 AM
Jul 2013

Snowden has the moral compass of a weathervane.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
2. Good question. What WAS the purpose of yesterday's "meeting"?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:32 AM
Jul 2013

Here, I speculate.

Russia is in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand, they have Snowden and they are getting a lot of flak for that. The US wants him extradited. The US is pressuring them (and threatening them), but they have bigger fish to fry. They want to keep Assad in power in Syria, for example, and they risk that by further antagonizing the United States. Russia doesn't want to extradite Snowden, on the other hand, for various reasons, not the least of which is their recent loss of superpower status. They want to show the world that they can still defy the US.

But, right now, they don't really want to defy the US. They need our cooperation on a host of issues. So, I suspect they told Snowden that they couldn't protect him for much longer and that he needed to get out. He responded by saying, "I can't get out. The US won't let me get out." Russia responded by giving him this opportunity (yesterday's "meeting&quot to create international pressure on the US to allow him to leave and accept asylum offers from one or more countries. He overtly accepted "all" asylum offers yesterday.

He still needs a way to get out, and the US is doing its level best to insure that he has no way to get out of Russia.

Stalemate. A game of chicken. Who will blink first? No clue, but the Obama administration continues to insist that Russia extradite Snowden. Very soon, Russia may have no choice but to comply with the US's demands. It's clear that the voices of international human rights groups fall on deaf ears at the White House.

-Laelth



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Excellent assessment, and
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 09:59 AM
Jul 2013
But, right now, they don't really want to defy the US. They need our cooperation on a host of issues. So, I suspect they told Snowden that they couldn't protect him for much longer and that he needed to get out. He responded by saying, "I can't get out. The US won't let me get out." Russia responded by giving him this opportunity (yesterday's "meeting&quot to create international pressure on the US to allow him to leave and accept asylum offers from one or more countries. He overtly accepted "all" asylum offers yesterday.

...I think the notion of temporary asylum is a farce.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
6. Farce? Not sure what you mean by that.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:39 AM
Jul 2013

Russia wants to get rid of this hot potato as soon as it can. Granting "temporary asylum" gains them nothing. In fact, it would make matters worse by allowing Snowden to hole up in Russia for a longer period of time. I don't think Russia will allow that because, as I said, they have bigger fish to fry. I think they will deny Snowden's request for "temporary asylum," as evidence by their press release today saying that they have not yet received a second, formal request for asylum from Snowden.

The Russians want him gone and out of their hair. He has no means, to my knowledge, of going anywhere. Again, stalemate. Game of chicken. Who will blink first? Sadly, because Democrats fear looking "weak" on national security issues, I suspect that Russia will blink first.

Only time will tell.

-Laelth

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. I think you have it right. Putin does not want to be used to help a wanted man flee.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:53 AM
Jul 2013

And that's what 'temporary asylum' would amount to. It's just a matter of when to expel him so then it won't be seen as an extradition.
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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. I meant
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:00 AM
Jul 2013
Farce? Not sure what you mean by that.

Russia wants to get rid of this hot potato as soon as it can. Granting "temporary asylum" gains them nothing. In fact, it would make matters worse by allowing Snowden to hole up in Russia for a longer period of time. I don't think Russia will allow that because, as I said, they have bigger fish to fry. I think they will deny Snowden's request for "temporary asylum," as evidence by their press release today saying that they have not yet received a second, formal request for asylum from Snowden.

...that it was a farce on the part of Snowden. It was a lame justification for the PR event, and as you point out, Russia has nothing to "gain" by entertaining it.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
13. Hmm. I hear what you're saying.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jul 2013

It appears that his request for "temporary asylum" was a desperate attempt on Snowden's part to buy more time. With that, I agree. It remains to be seen whether it will work. I doubt it.

-Laelth

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. He accepts all offers of asylum.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 10:03 AM
Jul 2013

I'm sure that makes the 3 remaining countries who have offered asylum feel so 'special' that they might be the lucky one!

Without much from Wikileaks on this PR event, I'm thinking Snowden is operating on his own. And blowing it.
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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
9. I thought that he would work through Anatoly Kucherena and Institute of Democracy and Cooperation?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:21 AM
Jul 2013
The head of Russia's Federal Migration Service (FMS) Konstantin Romodanovsky said early Saturday that Moscow had yet to receive the application which, if it arrived, would be examined "according to normal legal procedures".

Prominent Russian lawyer Anatoly Kucherena, who attended the meeting and promised to help Snowden, told Russian television that the asylum request procedure could take up to three weeks.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/europe/Russia-risks-US-wrath-on-Snowden-asylum/articleshow/21054719.cms

Do Russian lawyers work on Saturday?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_of_Democracy_and_Cooperation

They are a human rights NGO which has good relations with the Russian government.

But the negotiations will take time. People will be on vacation, calls will not be answered, fax machines will be out of paper...
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
12. All dressed up and nowhere to go.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:33 AM
Jul 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
14. That's my thinking too. It seemed like a special kinda conversation
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jul 2013

and I'm sure that Obama went in with a plan.


So that might explain things.

We might hear another whine from Wikileaks if that's the case.

The day before yesterday they bashed Obama

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