Zimmerman: Just play the dispatch conversation and sit down.

[kpete]

"HE LOOKS BLACK"

The prosecution's case was pretty simple, especially after the defendant didn't testify. Just play the dispatch conversation and sit down:


FROM TRANSCRIPT:



THE REST:
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

even better to listen:
VIDEO:

[Ninga]

1. My kick of this OP is not because this is new information, but to encourage those of us

who stand w/Trayvon's family to continue to keep in mind, through out this day and longer....

the jury....


May the force of John Guy and Bernie DLR, be with them. May justice prevail for Trayvon.

[libodem]

2. .

[pokerfan]

26. John Guy

"Was that child not in fear when he was running from that defendant? Isn't that every child's worst nightmare, to be followed on the way home in the dark by a stranger? That was Trayvon Martin's last emotion."

"Your verdict is not going to bring Trayvon Martin back to life. It's not going to change the past. But it will forever define it."

[all american girl]

41. Thank you

Many, many of us have been saying that, but he did it brilliantly.

Thank you, again.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Zimmerman's voice is slow and dopey, I'm not sure he's "all there". Is it just me?

Having worked with students, many of them with identified and unidentified learning and emotional deficits, I have to wonder if this guy has a full set of cognitive skills.

If he's got such issues he should never have had a gun or been allowed to be in a position to do harm to others.

[yardwork]

6. There is something wrong with Zimmerman. He has a history of violence and blaming other people.

A history of attacking a police officer, attacking a former girlfriend (and blaming her for attacking him instead - sound familiar?), and being fired as a bouncer because he was too violent. (I don't know how violent a person has to be to be fired for being too violent as a bouncer, but I figure it means that Zimmerman was out of control.)

Plus the family member who claims that Zimmerman molested her for decades and the family did nothing.

Plus the fact that Zimmerman could not hold a job.

Plus the fact that he called the police dozens of times over the past few years attempting to be some kind of vigilante hero.

It all adds up to trouble.

[NYC_SKP]

8. All that and he is allowed to have a gun?

I hold him responsible but I think the state of Florida and others in positions of authority also should be held to account for having allowed this to happen.

Unbelievable.

Thanks for filling in some blanks.

[yardwork]

10. The whole country is awash in guns and we're not allowed to say anything about it.

Dozens of little children murdered in a school massacre and Congress can't pass minimal gun control reform.

[lumpy]

37. So many children killed in households by guns not properly secured or just carelessly left

sitting around. I have lost count. Heartbreaking. It seems this is happening more than ever before.

[all american girl]

42. I was living in Colorado 20 some odd years ago

I remember children finding mom and/or dad's weapons in the bedrooms and killing themselves, sibling, relative, or friend....After having my son, I realized that a baby gate would have solved many of these deaths...so sad. And that is why we have NEVER had a loaded weapon in our home....the risk is too great.

[NJCher]

13. I was unaware of this

I've watched this case, but not as closely as I could have. Thanks for posting this. It makes a lot of sense to me. Too bad the jury will never know about his background.

Also, I saw a story on Dateline or 48 Hours about someone who is very much like this. Shot--then later it comes out that he was a neighborhood terror, always running around trying to supervise other people. The person he shot at was the husband of a woman who was hosting a party. This individual had issues with the noise and confronted them. I believe he had a gun when he confronted them. Anyway, he shot and killed her husband and then later it came out at trial he imagined himself some type of neighborhood watch person.


Cher

[lumpy]

38. Too many unsupervised people with mental problems in this country. Zimmerman is an example.

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[mzmolly]

29. And none of that was allowed in

court, sadly. I think there was opportunity to mention it as well given Z's defense directly suggested though witnesses that George was a kind/mellow, fellow. But, I'm not an attorney.

[JDPriestly]

12. My opinion precisely. In addition, he has this kind of confused look on his face.

A lot of reptile reaction is my assessment. Kind of primitive.

[NYC_SKP]

14. "reptile reaction" Yep.

Working from the brain stem, aka "lizard brain", probably not strong at higher level reasoning.

It's sad really. Florida allowed him to have a gun and the HOA allowed him to be a watch person, with a gun.

FFS.

[TorchTheWitch]

17. all through the trial he reminded me of a puff adder

Fat face with no expression and that reptilian slow blink. Creepy.

[Kablooie]

4. That IS a depraved state of mind.

To read all that into a kid walking back from buying candy at the 7 eleven.
And then chase him down and shoot him.
No matter what the circumstances during the scuffle, Trayvon was acting in self defense, with no weapon but his hands.

How the hell could anyone think Zimmerman was in the right?

[John2]

5. Need we say more.

From Zimmerman's own mouth " Shit he is running." He later changed it to just walking to make it seem like Trayvon didn't run from him. Every indication gives it like he was following Trayvon and Martin saw him all the time following him. Martin probably got scared and started running. What he said to Jenteal about Zimmerman being a creepy cracker following him, makes sense is a normal reaction from a young Black teenager. Especially with all these white supremacists they have been taught about.

[Kablooie]

15. If a stranger chases you and you defend yourself with bare hands,

Is the stranger acting in self defense?
In Florida law, it might be so.

Muggers could claim self defense because the person they attacked fought back.

[bushisanidiot]

21. And you can hear zimmerman huffing and puffing and his footsteps as he runs after trayvon.

Trayvon is bing chased. This voice evidence mkes it clear.

[klook]

24. Oh, but Trayvon had a curb!

According to Zimmerman's attorney that's a "deadly weapon."

[all american girl]

43. Oh no, my friend, he had a big sidewalk....

yeah, that's dripping and ugly, at that.

[livetohike]

7. "He's got something in his hands" and Zimmerman was thinking that something

was a gun because he himself had one. Or he was hoping it was a gun, so he could live out his fantasies of cops/robbers and be the hero.

I hope he spends a long, long time in jail

[bushisanidiot]

22. Yep, snd i would bet zimmerman had his gun drawn as he chased trayvon.

Just waiting for his chance to not let the "asshole" get away.

[all american girl]

44. I remember hearing about a study that said that if you carry a gun you think others do also.

I don't have a link, I just remember hearing about it and thought, well that explains a lot.

[jessie04]

9. If you got a chip on your shoulder....stalk a kid .....get up in his face,

get into a fight
lose the fight
pull a gun
shoot the kid thru the heart


YOU CAN'T CLAIM SELF DEFENSE !!





wtf is so hard to figure out.

[JDPriestly]

11. OK, Zimmerman mentions that Trayvon Martin is black -- twice.

He also calls Trayvon an asshole -- sign of anger. It's an aggressive word, especially when used to describe someone with whom you have had no interaction.

He says that Trayvon is running.

And he does not need to look for an address because the police operator suggests they meet at the mail boxes.

In addition, at times it sounds as though Zimmerman is a bit short of breath -- perhaps running.

Zimmerman clearly had the intention of hunting Trayvon Martin down.

Also, another lie -- I believe that in either the arraignment or bail hearing, Zimmerman stated that he thought that Trayvon was older than 17, but in this tape, Zimmerman estimates that Trayvon is in his late teens.

And then, of course, the dispatcher is trying to talk to Zimmerman to keep him busy while the police get there -- perhaps to keep Zimmerman from pursuing Trayvon? Did they bring the dispatcher to the stand to testify?

[John2]

18. And you know

what proves Zimmerman's personality even more, if the prosecution would have got that witness to testify, the motorist he allegedly call the police on and tailgated all the way to his house. Zimmerman claimed he was breaking the law because he spitted gum on the highway while driving. The prosecution would have had a slam dunk.

[JDPriestly]

19. Yes. But you never know. That gum-spitting motorist might be a terrible racist and

big supporter of Zimmerman.

Still, I think that it will be hard to get a conviction on 2nd degree murder. Maybe manslaughter.

Although this tape just proves his guilt as far as I am concerned. You never know with juries.

[all american girl]

45. I never heard that....

Are you freaking kidding me....this guy was completely insane....and I don't mean that as a smart ass...that's just plan crazy.

[jessie04]

16. " These assholes...they always get away"

and you were going to stop that , huh George?

[hue]

20. K&R!!

[HolyMoley]

23. Why the bold emphasis on "HE LOOKS BLACK" ?

He was responding to a question asked by the dispatcher --

Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

[Bay Boy]

53. I was wondering that too...

...it makes the OP look like he's trying to be deliberately misleading.

[blkmusclmachine]

25. .

[NYC_SKP]

27. The neighbor's 911 call with screams in the background did it for me.

I know that many think it was George screaming but I don't.

[TeeYiYi]

34. I don't either...

Especially the screams leading up to the gunshot.

Also, I could see it on Trayvon's mom's face that she could hear her child crying for help and she wasn't there to save him.

TYY

[ceonupe]

28. Main problem is

It's not against the law to follow, profile, confront, question anyone.

Even if I as a black male take offense to being followed or profiled (happens more than once a month to me by both police and private citizens) I can not strike attack or otherwise assault the person disrespecting me.

None of GZ not listing to a operator is illegal (morally wrong and I think it led to the shooting but its not illegal).

I wish the state had done more to explain how the physical confrontation started as that is the meat of this case and if you follow the law without emotion then you will see the state has not proved its case.

I hope people who are fired up about this become more involved and move to change the law but seeing as the basis of SYG is the castle doctrine and that has been a part of our legal system since the start.

If the jury votes based on emotion or the notion they just can't let GZ walk the could vote manslaughter but otherwise purely on the fact presented if I was on the jury I would have to acquit.

[jessie04]

30. We dont know exactly how it started BUT

based on Trayvons call he told his friend he WAS being followed.

And GZ left his car which is why he told the police to call him.

Common sense says GZ was stalking TM.

A confrontation ensued..Its not logical to assume TM went after GZ.

Then the friend testified she heard TM say "get off me"

There are only 2 people who know the details of the confrontation.

One is dead.

The other didn't testify and new what self-defense law is.

[Hoyt]

31. Nope, georgie grabbed his gun and took off after an unarmed kid. Anything Martin might have done

was reasonable in response to the bigot with a gun.

Zman's response was not reasonable. Clearly a reasonable armed person would not have been in fear of their life, but an armed bigot would attempt to claim that when they have no other defense for shooting a kid in cold blood.

Hopefully the jurors are not like Zman's defenders.

[all american girl]

48. There is only 2 ways, as I see it (and I'm not the most clever person) that Trayvon could see

the weapon....Zimmerman had it out or Trayvon was getting off him and Zimmerman went for it. I will it admit, after seeing Mr. Guy demonstrate Trayvon on top of Zimmerman....visually, it was brilliant....it made me think and yesterday I realized the 2 options. My husband has always thought that Zimmerman had had his weapon out the whole time.

[Kingofalldems]

33. The old RW 'emotion' ploy.

The entire checklist. Not fooled.

[NYC_SKP]

36. Trayvon was standing his ground. GZ is guilty of homicide and of a hate crime.

How that escapes you is not my problem.

[ceonupe]

55. Travon can not assault GZ

Even if GZ was following him or hassling him or profiling him.

Racial profiling is not illegal. Trust me it happens to me very often being a younger black male myself.

You can not assault someone even if they are following you? The state failed to explain why tarvon attacked him the even went as far as to basically say TM assault on GZ was not that bad.

[anomiep]

49. I hate that kind of thing

I grew up in an area where for the most part race wasn't really an issue, at least not with the people I hung with.

Later I lived in different parts of the country and hearing about people I knew getting stopped by cops constantly, being asked 'what are you doing around here' when they LIVE there - it opened my eyes a little and pissed me off all at the same time.

[uponit7771]

58. REPEATEDLY Following someone in FL is stalking, it doesn't matter the time span either just as long

...as a reasonable person can conclude that it would cause fear.

[ceonupe]

60. Wrong if it was trust the state would have charged GZ

With it.

But I did notice the state has fired the IT directory that altered the defense the state was withholding evidence.

[reusrename]

59. You definitely have a right to defend yourself.

..."I can not strike attack or otherwise assault the person..."

Any reasonable person knows that Zimmerman was menacing and the witness says that the Martin kid asked "why are you following me?"

The kid had every legal right to break his nose if he kept advancing under those circumstances.

[ceonupe]

61. by law you are wrong even if your emotions would be judged by many as

right

[reusrename]

62. It's absolutely right.

Nobody has a right to menace you or make you fear for your safety.

If you are threatened, you can defend yourself.

[burnodo]

32. Fucking "coons" is what he says

I know everybody disputes that but I think it's pretty clear

[NYC_SKP]

35. That motherfucker. I called this a hate crime from the beginning.

Of course others jumped on me, saying Zimmerman is himself a minority.

What?

It's Florida and even if it wasn't being a member of a minority demographic does not exclude one's capacity to be a racist bigot.

GZ was this, a racist bigot with a gun and a title.

The state and the HOA bears some responsibility.

[lumpy]

40. Listening to the dispatcher tape I heard Zimmerman in a low voice say what sounded like

"fucking coon" also.

[jessie04]

47. I heard that...I hope the jury heard that.

nt

[polly7]

46. That was always as clear as day to me. nt.

[bunnies]

50. Definitely. Its very clear.

How anyone could think its "punks" instead of "coons" is beyond me. They sound nothing alike.

[Ecumenist]

57. THANK YOU, BURNODO! That's EXACTLY what he says. There is a LONG U sound, not a

short one, cOOOn, vs pUnks! I know what the hell I heard, even had a few friends listen to the recording that live in a couple of countries in Europe and THAT'S WHAT THEY HEARD! 2 Asked me what it meant. Now, they have an idea what a punk is but had NEVER heard the word"coon". BTW, A hearty, grateful, though belated welcome to DU! RIGHT glad tameetcha!

[TeeYiYi]

39. ” What is that...?

"What is that when a grown man, frustrated,
angry, with hate in his heart, gets out of his car
with a loaded gun and follows a child?” said
prosecutor John Guy, who had the last word to
the jury before they took the case Friday. “A
stranger? In the dark? And shoots him through
his heart? What is that?"

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/0713/George-Zimmerman-trial-Six-women-weigh-a-silent-man-s-future

TYY

[bunnies]

56. a murderer.

Among other things.

[bunnies]

51. "late teens"

So the sonnofabitch KNEW he was chasing a kid.

[displacedtexan]

52. Of course, he knew.

He wouldn't hunt anyone who might be able to kick his ass.

I'm beginning to think that GZ saw TM and figured he could easily kill him and claim he'd caught him trying to break into a house. The Skittles and the can of tea ruined his plan.

[bunnies]

54. That and..

"hes reaching into his waistband". I think Zimmy was betting Trayvon had a gun on him. That way when he shot him, his whole self defense angle would have been a lot more plausible.

The other thing that struck me in re-listening to this conversation is that the whole thing could have been done & over right there at the calls end. All Zimmerman had to do was wait for the police by his truck like he was supposed to. Instead he decided to chase a kid who'd done absolutely nothing wrong and shoot the kid to death. Oh but we're supposed to believe that his reckless behavior was "Gods plan" for him. Right.