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babylonsister

(171,070 posts)
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 11:56 AM Jul 2013

This May Be The Greatest Letter Any Elected Republican Has Ever Written

http://www.nationalmemo.com/this-may-be-the-greatest-letter-any-elected-republican-has-ever-written/

This May Be The Greatest Letter Any Elected Republican Has Ever Written
May 30th, 2013 4:59 pm @LOLGOP


Given the GOP’s obsession with making health care decisions for girls and women, you may have wondered how any self-respecting physician could identify with the Republican Party.

Rep. Doug Cox (R-OK) is wondering the same thing. Responding to legislation that would deny poor women contraception that would prevent abortions, Cox, a doctor, decided that he had to speak out in a letter to the The Oklahoman:

All of the new Oklahoma laws aimed at limiting abortion and contraception are great for the Republican family that lives in a gingerbread house with a two-car garage, two planned kids and a dog. In the real world, they are less than perfect.

As a practicing physician (who never has or will perform an abortion), I deal with the real world. In the real world, 15- and 16-year-olds get pregnant (sadly, 12-, 13- and 14-year-olds do also). In the real world, 62 percent of women ages 20 to 24 who give birth are unmarried. And in the world I work and live in, an unplanned pregnancy can throw up a real roadblock on a woman’s path to escaping the shackles of poverty.

Yet I cannot convince my Republican colleagues that one of the best ways to eliminate abortions is to ensure access to contraception.
A recent attempt by my fellow lawmakers to prevent Medicaid dollars from covering the “morning after” pill is a case in point. Denying access to this important contraceptive is a sure way to increase legal and back-alley abortions. Moreover, such a law would discriminate against low-income women who depend on Medicaid for their health care.


Is my thinking too clouded by my experiences in the real world? Experiences like having a preacher, in the privacy of an exam room say, “Doc, you have heard me preach against abortion but now my 15-year-old daughter is pregnant, where can I send her?” Or maybe it was that 17-year-old foreign exchange student who said, “I really made a mistake last night. Can you prescribe a morning-after pill for me? If I return to my home country pregnant, life as I know it will be over.”

What happened to the Republican Party that felt that the government has no business being in an exam room, standing between me and my patient? Where did the party go that felt some decisions in a woman’s life should be made not by legislators and government, but rather by the women, her conscience, her doctor and her God?


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This May Be The Greatest Letter Any Elected Republican Has Ever Written (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2013 OP
Uh oh brucefan Jul 2013 #1
Someone just figured out he's in the wrong party CanonRay Jul 2013 #4
Doubtful Wabbajack_ Jul 2013 #66
I'm more hoping they finally go the way of the Whigs CanonRay Jul 2013 #69
Here is What I wonder liberalmike27 Jul 2013 #13
According to the RW, the shackles of poverty are appropriate punishment kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #20
You make the mistake of thinking that they want to eliminate abortion tblue37 Jul 2013 #28
I think they want to eliminate abortion phylny Jul 2013 #32
One reason it has not been severely restricted before tblue37 Jul 2013 #38
Excellent posts BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #45
I think a distinction should be made sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #54
No, they just want to eliminate any help for poor women whom they think are all black. kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #60
I think they want more "taxpayers"... ReRe Jul 2013 #62
You are absolutely correct TxDemChem Jul 2013 #49
Not just primaried NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #48
Recommended. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #2
+1 A lone voice in today's Rethug party. pinto Jul 2013 #3
Logic and concern for the wellfare of poor females won't strike a chord with GOP voters Jessy169 Jul 2013 #5
Exactly, the party he thought he belonged to died fifty years ago! xtraxritical Jul 2013 #27
But I thought it was a "big tent"? 7962 Jul 2013 #46
The voice of reason crying out in the wilderness MrScorpio Jul 2013 #6
Best letter by a contemporary Republican for sure. nt bluedeathray Jul 2013 #7
some decisions in a woman’s life Generic Other Jul 2013 #8
"The most important decision in a woman's life is not yours." CrispyQ Jul 2013 #24
Follow the link to the original LTE and read the comments Freddie Jul 2013 #9
This poor bastard just don't get it. zeemike Jul 2013 #10
+1 tofuandbeer Jul 2013 #26
Hear! Hear!! ReRe Jul 2013 #63
Watch the teabaggers come out in force against him Hugabear Jul 2013 #11
K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #12
I know some Republicans like this Shrek Jul 2013 #14
Republicans hate contraception, too. The quiverfull crowd runs the party now. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #21
I hope he gets primaried. gulliver Jul 2013 #15
Constitutional rights go both ways. You can't tell someone to SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #16
This is so righteous mick063 Jul 2013 #30
A reasonable republican Stryder Jul 2013 #17
I guess he's just guaranteed himself a teabagger primary challenge. TheMightyFavog Jul 2013 #18
Re: the preacher. How fast an abortion if the Daddy is black or Mexican? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #19
It went to Christers who want to punish women for fucking. Warpy Jul 2013 #22
That party never fucking existed, lady. Not the one with the "R" in its name. enki23 Jul 2013 #23
Facts? Logic? Science? BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #25
See my reply #28 above. I think I explain it pretty clearly. tblue37 Jul 2013 #29
"a practicing physician (who never has or will perform an abortion)" icarusxat Jul 2013 #31
We Have A Bigger Problem Than We Know About DallasNE Jul 2013 #33
We know how our representatives vote gollygee Jul 2013 #35
You Could Be Right DallasNE Jul 2013 #39
He's clearly talking in one part about patients gollygee Jul 2013 #40
So.........Let Me Get This Straight 1ProudAtheist Jul 2013 #34
Very Well Said DallasNE Jul 2013 #42
60% of abortions performed on upper class women? Marcuse Jul 2013 #51
And of the 60% Caucasian women who have had abortions Iwillnevergiveup Jul 2013 #56
The more relevant question is... Marcuse Jul 2013 #65
Answer.... Plucketeer Jul 2013 #36
That guy knows how to write a strongly worded letter! Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #37
"I really made a mistake last night." Republicans allow men to make mistakes BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #41
The anti-birth control position betrays their supposed commitment to life BainsBane Jul 2013 #43
There is a joke in the comments for this story that goes something like this: Brigid Jul 2013 #44
OMG... Reminds of true story: Former Congressman Bob Barr. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #47
Their party is self destructing SlipperySlope Jul 2013 #50
k&r for sanity ... something too many Republicans lack. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #52
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2013 #53
good letter Berlum Jul 2013 #55
wow...a republican who actually lives in the real world... Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #57
Kicked and Recommended! nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #58
The republican mantra... Lobo27 Jul 2013 #59
I like this response from one of the comments below the article: SpankMe Jul 2013 #61
Well, well. Hekate Jul 2013 #64
WTF this is nothing new where has this Dr been the last 30 years under a rock? UserNSAv32 Jul 2013 #67
I posted this to an Elizabeth Warren thread. dotymed Jul 2013 #68
GOP: the party that sticks its noses into women's private parts wordpix Jul 2013 #70
They want to freeze the upward mobility of the poor and middle class so their spoiled offspring Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #71
While I understand some people are, for whatever reasons... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #72

Wabbajack_

(1,300 posts)
66. Doubtful
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:16 AM
Jul 2013

Just cause he's not an insane fundy whackjob doesn't mean he's not a rabid right wing robber baron apologist. We don't need anymore DINOs. The vast majority of Repukes outside of the South aren't in favor of not giving people access to contraception.

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
13. Here is What I wonder
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jul 2013

Why is it so many woman are bound in the "shackles of poverty" in the first place.

Why do we passively accept the brainwashing that comes down the media pike, that poverty is a necessity? It isn't, and we don't have to. That might not change this issue much, but if you really want women to have a valid choice, to keep babies, to adopt them out, then you need to give them one. Somehow they need to be cared for, given pre-natal care, and a place to stay while pregnant if need be.

I'm not saying repeal abortion, as it should always be a choice--whether legal or not, it is always a choice. I'm just saying Republicans should think a lot harder about providing BETTER CHOICES, instead of forcing children or victims of rape, or any woman to have a child, they did not plan for, or want.

tblue37

(65,406 posts)
28. You make the mistake of thinking that they want to eliminate abortion
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jul 2013

because they think abortion is awful or because they are concerned for the well-being of the unborn children.

They want to eliminate abortion because they do not want women to have such options. They feel that if a woman has sex, she needs to be punished somehow, and hanging an unwanted baby around her neck is an effective way to make her suffer for daring to be a sexual being. Besides, a woman trapped in poverty is so much easier to control.

If they cared about children, they would not stop being concerned about them the minute they leave the womb. Remember the old slogan about how Republicans are concerned for the well-being of a child from the moment it is conceived until the moment it is born?

Look at the way Republicans slash to the bone (and attempt to destroy completely) every program that offers help and hope to children--WIC, welfare, food stamps, free and reduced lunch programs, MEDICAID, Headstart, etc. Any program that might help a woman provide for her children and ensure that they receive adequate nutrition and healthcare is on the chopping bloc.

Conservatives also do everything in their power to destroy public education, which has been historically the best route out of poverty. They also have turned state university systems, which originally offered those without wealth an opportunity to earn college degrees and become professionals without being trapped for a lifetime in indentured servitude, into profit centers that raise tuition at a rate much greater than the rate of inflation. Since Republican state legislatures have also cut funding for these colleges and universities, and also cut funding for grants that would help low- and moderate-income kids afford college, those students either have to forego college altogether or take on outrageous debt to pay for school.

They abhor contraception because they do not want women to enjoy sex without the possibility of catastrophic consequences.

Remember how so many religious conservatives opposed the HPV vaccine because they feared it would encourage young women to have sex by removing the fear of contracting and incurable STD? I think there are good reasons for being concerned about the long-term safety of that vaccine, but that is not why the religious conservatives opposed it. They didn't want young women to be able to have sex without risking HPV. Similarly, they do not want women to be able have sex without risking an unwanted pregnancy, and they certainly do not want them to be able to get out from under the long-term consequences of that unwanted pregnancy, either.

They don't oppose abortion for its own sake, but only because it offers sexually active women options in the event of an unwanted pregnancy; and since contraception also offers women the option of avoiding pregnancy from sexual activity, they are perfectly consistent in their opposition to contraception.

All the arguments that warn about the resurgence of back-alley abortions and the suffering and death that will result from such illegal abortions will not influence them, because the idea of women suffering and dying from such illegal botched abortions doesn't really bother them at all. In their minds, such suffering--and even death--is not too great a punishment, since after all, the dirty creature went out and had sex.

Look at the repulsive argument that inevitably crops up when such people rail against abortion: "She had her fun, but now she doesn't want to deal with the consequences." They think that having sexual "fun" is in itself such a disgusting transgression that no punishment would be too great.

tblue37

(65,406 posts)
38. One reason it has not been severely restricted before
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:49 PM
Jul 2013

now is that those Republicans who were using the abortion issue "rationally" (i.e., cynically) simply to garner votes understood that if abortion ever did get outlawed, they could no longer use it to get votes. Those who are now in power, though, really do seem to want to eliminate abortion or to come as close as possible to doing so. I think they are true believers, not practical politicians figuring out how to get more votes.

Sure, attacking a woman's right to choose is effective for firing up their base, but it is also effective for firing up their (probably much larger) opposition. And if abortion is outlawed, then it won't be that effective for gaining votes in the future.

This is why I believe that the Teapublicans are really trying to outlaw or severely restrict abortion and contraception this time, not just cynically manipulating these issues to gain votes. It is also why I think that they are really frantic about the idea that women might be able to become successful, unimpeded governors of their own lives and that women might be able to enjoy sex without consequence.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
45. Excellent posts
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 04:52 PM
Jul 2013

Lays it all out well about the idea of "loose women" but it still is a conundrum to me because men, especially those who are the most puritanical with their wives and daughters, need and use "loose women" to fulfill their perverted fantasies. And anyone who screams about rape, sex and gay sex every waking moment of the day obviously has sexual issues.

I guess I'm just so far removed from the religious right it always shocks me. Why would anyone sign up for that kind of oppression? I understand there is a whole lot of brainwashing involved, but it is so unnatural and illogical, you have to do some severe twists and turns in your brain and heart to keep it going. That must catch up with you some day. In high school most of the girls I knew who were the most aggressively sexually active and at the earliest age were Mormon and Catholic. I know this is anecdotal, but it just seems like they had to prove they wouldn't be struck by lightning for having sex. They were also the most paranoid about getting pregnant, a real deep-seated fear because their parents likely would have disowned them, and more than one had an abortion. But in the end, they returned to the fold and married into their church and had a gaggle of kids. I know there must be a whole lot of conflict for them.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
54. I think a distinction should be made
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:15 PM
Jul 2013

between they (the political and religious grifter class) and them (the legions of vindictive and self-righteous social zombie who follow them).

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
60. No, they just want to eliminate any help for poor women whom they think are all black.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:24 AM
Jul 2013

They don't care what it is or how many others they hurt in the process. Face it, they only want to deny any help or services to people of color...never mind that millions of poor whites will also be hurt in the process. This is how they think and feel...I know them, I went to school with them, they are in my family, I worked with them, my grandchildren go to school with them. This is how they think and feel.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
62. I think they want more "taxpayers"...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 01:08 AM
Jul 2013

... and more people they can look down their noses at. The "small" people make them feel good about themselves, make them feel "successful."

TxDemChem

(1,918 posts)
49. You are absolutely correct
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:22 PM
Jul 2013

In essence, it's all about punishment. If you don't follow their rules (no premarital sex, Christian lifestyle, etc.) then they want to keep you down. I hope this bills they are passing are all struck down as unconstitutional.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
48. Not just primaried
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:18 PM
Jul 2013

he'll likely be getting death threats over the phone, maybe have his tires slashed, a brick thrown through his window, etc.

Jessy169

(602 posts)
5. Logic and concern for the wellfare of poor females won't strike a chord with GOP voters
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jul 2013

Nice try, Doug Cox. Maybe you should consider switching parties.

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
8. some decisions in a woman’s life
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jul 2013

are hers to make and hers alone.

Perhaps all the unwanted babies and their mothers should bring the babies to the doors of the churches on Sundays and leave them for the congregations to raise. In the old days, that's what they did. Or they died in back allies. In endless childbirth, misery and poverty.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
24. "The most important decision in a woman's life is not yours."
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013


I saw that on the StandWithTexasWomen site. http://txwomen.tumblr.com/

I spent waaayyy too much time yesterday, scrolling through these photos.

Freddie

(9,267 posts)
9. Follow the link to the original LTE and read the comments
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jul 2013

Excellent, all but one agrees with Rep. Cox, and the idiot who disagrees is roundly shouted down.
However there's no room in the "he-man woman hater's club" otherwise known as the GOP for a voice of reason such as this. Time to switch parties.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
10. This poor bastard just don't get it.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jul 2013

The GOP don't give a damn about abortions...hell if they had their way they would abort every hispanic or black baby in the country.
What they care about is dividing us and keeping us busy fighting for thing we should not have to fight for while they are busy striping the country of it's wealth to give to their friends, and establishing themselves in permanent power.

Shrek

(3,981 posts)
14. I know some Republicans like this
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jul 2013

They'll never in a million years change their views on abortion rights. But they have no problem at all with contraceptives since they do a lot to reduce unplanned pregnancy (and thus abortions).

Heck, even George H.W. Bush once thought the same, which earned him the nickname "Rubbers" when he was a family-planning advocate in the House.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
21. Republicans hate contraception, too. The quiverfull crowd runs the party now.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jul 2013

And they want "loose women" to be burdened by unwanted children as their due punishment.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
15. I hope he gets primaried.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 12:51 PM
Jul 2013

He probably will be. Democrats should put out an ad applauding him in order to help that process along. Reasonable people need to see where they stand in the Republican Party—nowhere.

SaveAmerica

(5,342 posts)
16. Constitutional rights go both ways. You can't tell someone to
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

not use a form on birth control because you don't believe in it and a person can't be told to limit their family size to 1.8 children.

I wonder if right wingers ever think of that? What if Uncle Sam told you that you could only have 2 children? Cuts both ways.

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
30. This is so righteous
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

Religious idealism is imposing unwanted children upon people that are not prepared to effectively raise them.

It is cruelty for both the parents and the children.

Denying both birth control and abortions is absurd.

They can endlessly send missionaries to my front door and not understand that they have defeated their purpose before that knock on the door. That purpose being increasing membership and the resulting revenue.

If Religion were a business, and it is a business, alienating consumers before the "door to door" salesmen arrive is inept marketing.

It goes beyond my refusal to be a "consumer" of their ideals, it motivates me to encourage others to disqualify them as well.

Stryder

(450 posts)
17. A reasonable republican
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

I'm old enough to remember them. But these days you don't get many of those to the pound. There should be opposing views within our legislative branch, working to find the best solutions. But this bad cop/insane cop shit is wearing thin.

Warpy

(111,276 posts)
22. It went to Christers who want to punish women for fucking.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:39 PM
Jul 2013

That's the bottom line, right there. It's patriarchy, old as Satan and corrupt as Rome.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
25. Facts? Logic? Science?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jul 2013

What that?

I've never understood how people who are against abortion are also against contraception. It just boggles the mind. Especially men. What the hell? You want to be a father every time you have sex? One would think men would be the most vocal advocates for free, unfettered sex. That, and not having to pay child support. Absolute madness.

tblue37

(65,406 posts)
29. See my reply #28 above. I think I explain it pretty clearly.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jul 2013

But let me also add that the men who make laws like this are perfectly aware that they might accidentally (and awkwardly) get a mistress pregnant, or that their wife or daughter might get pregnant accidentally or as the result of rape.

But they don't worry much about that, since they have the resources to arrange a safe abortion for the people they care about. They just want to make sure that no one else can have one.

The letter in the OP mentions a preacher who rails against abortion from the pulpit, while secretly seeking to arrange an abortion for his own pregnant daughter. That is pretty typical, and I bet he continued to preach and agitate against abortion even after his daughter had one.

I know a woman who as a teenager joined her mother in marching, signing petitions, writing letters, and otherwise trying to outlaw abortion. But she also admitted to me that if she ever ended up pregnant before marriage (yes, she was sexually active even as a teen), she would definitely get an abortion, because her Roman Catholic mother would be furious, and also because she was determined to get a good education and establish herself in a good career.

This is all too typical of a certain mindset.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
31. "a practicing physician (who never has or will perform an abortion)"
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:30 PM
Jul 2013

sad to think he has to include this line in order to protect himself from a (very) late term abortion from members of the gun totin' high minded tea wing of his own party...

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
33. We Have A Bigger Problem Than We Know About
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jul 2013
“I have people who tell me they feel the way I do, but are afraid to vote the way I do,” he said.


Nobody is looking over your shoulder when you vote so what is driving these people to vote against their own self interest. What is there to be afraid of? How are people being so brainwashed that they don't feel that they can vote their conscious. Lastly, how do we go about deprogramming these people that are enslaved by an unwarranted fear. Indeed, does this fear extend all of the way up to the Supreme Court where so many recent decisions make no legal sense meaning one wonders what drives these votes.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
35. We know how our representatives vote
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jul 2013

he's talking about how Congress members vote in Congress, not about general elections where everyone votes.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
39. You Could Be Right
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jul 2013

It was a stand alone comment so context was lacking. He was clearly talking about what his patients were telling him. It didn't occur to me that the patient was also an elected politician, whether national, state or local. But it exposes how weak these politicians are that they can't speak their mind and vote their conscience due to being afraid. Who are leading these sheep around and who would want them representing them.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
40. He's clearly talking in one part about patients
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

but not necessarily every word is about patients rather than other people in his life.

 

1ProudAtheist

(346 posts)
34. So.........Let Me Get This Straight
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:37 PM
Jul 2013

The thinking of the re-pukes is that FORCING a woman to have a baby that she definitely does not want, will make that said woman love that child rather than see it as a constant reminder of her inability to choose what was in her best interest, and hold a lifelong resentment of that said child?

These anti-choice laws are 100% aimed at reducing recreational sex. Particularly for women. Yet the pukes cannot find the answer for the burning question about the purpose of the female orgasm which plays a zero role in the reproductive process. Possibly these anti-choice laws are the direct result of pukes not being able to achieve a female orgasm, on either end of the spectrum.

And..........it is my understanding, that while doing some research on abortions in this country, that I came across some very interesting facts about abortions. It seems that in this country, somewhere around 60% of all abortions performed, were performed on Caucasian women in the upper middle class and above. That little tidbit of information never seems to make headlines, nor be admitted to by the pukes who are so adamant about denying them.

While I must admit that abortion does seem to me to be a very tough choice to make, I also readily admit to the fact that as a man, I do not have the necessary plumbing, nor wiring of the brain, to fully understand all of the processes that are necessary to make such a decision. I can say this though, I am truly glad to be a man, and never be forced to have to make such a decision, nor have the government all up inside my lady parts doing their dead level best to keep me from enjoying a perfectly natural human experience. For that, I give 100% of my respect to any and all women.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
42. Very Well Said
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:20 PM
Jul 2013

Especially appreciated the comment about "wiring of the brain". That is so often overlooked and makes it so disgusting when we see all male panels making these decisions. Just look at the difference in voting pattern on a national scale between men and women. That is one measure of the wiring of the brain difference. Also appreciated the point about inconvenient truth.

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
51. 60% of abortions performed on upper class women?
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:54 PM
Jul 2013

For them, abortion politics has never been about individual liberty. Follow the demographics. Republican strategists see millions of upper class fetuses as potential GOP votes and will continue to marginalize working class former fetuses by suppressing pre/neo/post natal health care, education, criminal justice and the vote. If successful, they feel they won't need Latinos or immigration reform.

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
65. The more relevant question is...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 02:08 AM
Jul 2013

...how many of those born over the objection of Caucasian mothers will be likely to vote for the candidate of the Republican (or its anti-Democratic successor) party after the election of 2032 when they start turning 18. Prohibition of abortion may be the last best chance for conservatives to compete for the votes of the next generation.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
36. Answer....
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013
"Where did the party go that felt some decisions in a woman’s life should be made not by legislators and government?"

They went to church and drank the Kool-ade. They don't care about the real world consequences of what they're doing. Their eyes are focused on the silly-assed notion of the ultimate redemption. Besides, THEY don't have to care for the unwanted - they even want to deny them food support!

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
37. That guy knows how to write a strongly worded letter!
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:46 PM
Jul 2013

Compassionate Conservative is an oxymoron.

Why this man is different from most republicans, he read and retained when he was being educated.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
41. "I really made a mistake last night." Republicans allow men to make mistakes
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jul 2013

(and stay in office, may I add)

Girls --children, for godssake!-- and women are not afforded that luxury.



pukes.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
43. The anti-birth control position betrays their supposed commitment to life
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jul 2013

If they cared about preventing abortion, they would increases access to birth control. Instead, all they really care about is controlling women.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
44. There is a joke in the comments for this story that goes something like this:
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jul 2013

A Republican Senator from a certain conservative state was in the Senate chamber for a debate on a routine bill. His aide came up to him and whispered to him, "Doctor Jones just called and wants to know what you are going to do about the abortion bill. " The Senator replied, "You tell that SOB I'll pay him on Monday!"

Altered slightly from the original for clarity and to better suit DU's tastes.

 

avaistheone1

(14,626 posts)
47. OMG... Reminds of true story: Former Congressman Bob Barr.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 05:10 PM
Jul 2013

In 1999, during Clinton's impeachment trial, Hustler publisher Larry Flynt offered money to anyone who could provide evidence that a prominent Republican had engaged in an extramarital affair. According to the American Journalism Review,[74] investigators for Flynt said that Barr was "guilty of king-size hypocrisy". According to a sworn affidavit by Barr's ex-wife Gail, Barr (a longtime outspoken opponent of abortion) had acquiesced to and paid for the termination of his then-wife's pregnancy in 1983.[citation needed] In accordance with his public offer: Flynt subsequently paid a sum of money to Gail Barr after she had made her sworn affidavit.[14] Barr never publicly disputed the contents of his ex-wife's affidavit. Investigators also reported that Barr invoked a legal privilege during his 1985 divorce proceeding, so he could refuse to answer questions on whether he'd cheated on his second wife with the woman who is now his third."[75]

In the early 1990s, Barr was photographed at a fundraising event licking whipped cream off a woman.[76] According to the Washington Post "Two people who observed the act say it wasn't exactly a bosom lick but more like a neckline lick, at the sort of event where business and civic leaders perform dares to raise money. 'Not exactly Mr. Effusive', says Matt Towery, the former chairman of Newt Gingrich's political organization, who observed the brief and awkward licking. 'You can hardly get the guy to smile'".[77]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Barr

SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
50. Their party is self destructing
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 06:40 PM
Jul 2013

It may take decades for a viable second party to emerge again. This one is toast.

Blue_Roses

(12,894 posts)
57. wow...a republican who actually lives in the real world...
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 08:39 PM
Jul 2013

This is so well written that it needs to be spread far and wide--starting with Congress.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
61. I like this response from one of the comments below the article:
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 12:28 AM
Jul 2013
I applaud Rep. Cox for being sane and practical. The answer to his question: "What happened to the Republican Party that I joined?" is simple-In order to maintain power with an aging base, they joined forces with evangelical fundamentalists, poor under-educated whites and racists. They then whipped these groups up with wild accusations instilling fear, anxiety and hatred of Democrats. Now those seeds of discontent have blossomed into a stark raving batch of people that are incapable of governing or allowing the people they elect to govern. But, in order to win whatever elections the GOP can, they now have to have every single one of these votes. The asylum is now being run by the inmates.
 

UserNSAv32

(54 posts)
67. WTF this is nothing new where has this Dr been the last 30 years under a rock?
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 06:28 AM
Jul 2013

The GOP has been openly at war on women since Reagans election.

Too little to late Doc the damage is done and I HOLD YOU responsible.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
68. I posted this to an Elizabeth Warren thread.
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 08:53 AM
Jul 2013

I think that the letter by representative Cox (r) gives more merit to my original post...




85. We ALL KNOW "this game is rigged."





I love that Ms. Warren points this out every chance she gets. She is a Populist Progressive (that is the image that, thankfully, she is projecting). We have been burned too many times by candidates projecting this image until they get elected, this has not been the case with Elizabeth Warren, thank you so much.

I wish that the few, true Progressives (like E.W.) would go a few steps further. Ideally, I would like for them to challenge their own party and the corporate agenda the DLC is promoting through their actions.

My hope is that by doing so, these Real Progressive politicians could, a) change the direction of the democratic party, or b) create a splinter group that operates closer to the real Democratic party as represented by FDR. A "people first" party.

America has a majority of citizens (both d&r) who are fed-up with the corporate takeover of our political system. Both the Eisenhower republicans (there are many) and the FDR Democrats. These groups have a lot in common.

They both want a country that is not controlled by corporations, both want a strong infrastructure and to live in a country that is not a pariah to the world, rather a country where the original American dream is attainable by all and torture, spying on innocents, state-sanctioned murder, etc.. is something that America would never tolerate.

Pre-Reagan, these values were universally accepted as being American values and both parties were damned proud of it.

We have been corrupted beyond measure by the oligarchs, the greedy and corporate, "me-first" thinking that our recent forefathers would have never tolerated. We now find ourselves in a country whose infrastructure is dangerous and obsolete and where the neediest among us are neglected.

Real Americans, the majority, both d&r are sickened by what we have become.

I believe that NOW can be a transformative time in America and I pray that our Progressive leaders have the same vision.
IF we ALL speak up, not at election time but all the time, we the vast majority of Americans can realize that we share a powerful common vision. A vision of a peace loving nation, where people are the focus and innovation in rebuilding our infrastructure is one of our shared goals. A nation where by nullifying "free trade" agreements, we can reach "fair trade" agreements that benefit individuals.

We are always going to have differences of opinions especially when people believe their morals are better, etc.. but we must realize that morals are not to be legislated, freedoms are.

We CAN make this a reality IF our elected leaders are held responsible and our citizens are clear that by working together as individuals united in a just society, we can "agree to disagree" on the small stuff but when it comes to being fair, just and us controlling corporations rather than them controlling us we are UNITED.

A real leader who follows through on those principals must be able to be elected on a "grassroots" level, if not America, as we want
it (and at one time were headed there) ceases to exist.


Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
71. They want to freeze the upward mobility of the poor and middle class so their spoiled offspring
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jul 2013

can maintain their status generation after generation. They don't want to give competition to Biff or Muffy, who can get an abortion because they have money and connections. Trust me, their daughter will not have to use a coat hanger, just yours!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
72. While I understand some people are, for whatever reasons...
Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:49 AM
Jul 2013

uncomfortable with abortion, I cannot for the life of me understand how that can go off on such horrible tangents as refusing contraception. Whether it's the war on women, the poor, the "wrong" race or ethnic group, or maintaining the white balance of the population-- it is insane. It's inhuman to refuse the benefits of medical science over some invented moral issue.

And just wrong. It's like Margaret Sanger barely existed. At least you don't get jailed for owning a diaphragm any more, but that's little help these days.

My mother, btw, had a stillborn child and stopped working with Planned Parenthood around the time of Roe when she couldn't deal with the thought of abortion any more. But, that was her personal issue and she would never tell anyone else not to have one. Contraception? Go for it.

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