Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist

[ProSense]

Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist

(Reuters) - Fugitive former U.S. spy contractor Edward Snowden controls dangerous information that could become the United States' "worst nightmare" if revealed, a journalist familiar with the data said in a newspaper interview.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who first published the documents Snowden leaked, said in a newspaper interview published on Saturday that the U.S. government should be careful in its pursuit of the former computer analyst.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinean daily La Nacion.

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

- more -

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/13/us-usa-security-snowden-greenwald-idUSBRE96C08Q20130713

Greenwald: Snowden asylum 'unlikely' to stop me from publishing leaks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023236886

How the Snowden Affair Became a Freak Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023235597

[warrior1]

1. so now he's blackmailing?

[ProSense]

3. Release Snowden, or we'll let the country have it!

Or some such nonsense.

[Marr]

14. The government and the nation are not the same thing.

Also, we're not talking bombs here; we're talking about information on domestic spying-- that is, government trampling of its citizens' civil liberties.

If that is indeed what's happening, as appears to be the case, then who *wouldn't* be for 'harming the government'? It's like reporting a bully. You can root for the bully if you like, I suppose, and insist he has a right to stomp on the other kids, but I doubt many will agree with you.

[ProSense]

20. Sure

"The government and the nation are not the same thing."

...in the context of his statement, keep telling yourself that.

"If that is indeed what's happening, as appears to be the case, then who *wouldn't* be for 'harming the government'? It's like reporting a bully. You can root for the bully if you like, I suppose, and insist he has a right to stomp on the other kids, but I doubt many will agree with you."

Well, feel free to root for the egotistical, grandstanding, unable to shit or get off the pot wannabe blackmailer.

Greenwald sounds like a delusional twit with these statements.

[Marr]

25. Ok then, I'll root for the twit and you root for the bully. /nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. ^5 n/t

[ProSense]

39. Well, at least you agree he's a "twit"

I don't agree with the "bully" characterization.

Frankly, supporting this bizarre action by Greenwald is telling. I mean, what kind of whistleblowing involves taking the information hostage?

Whatever happened to the right to know?

Greenwald is a twit!

[leveymg]

53. You're missing the point here. If Snowden hasn't released everything, then he's not a twit.

It actually shows that he has some judgement and isn't just doing a "data dump." Isn't that what Manning was accused of by many as proof of his irresponsibility?

[ProSense]

60. No, that's not the point,

"You're missing the point here. If Snowden hasn't released everything, then he's not a twit. It actually shows that he has some judgement and isn't just doing a 'data dump.' Isn't that what Manning was accused of by many as proof of his irresponsibility?"

...but it's interesting that you're using a veiled threat to contrast Snowden and Manning.

Greenwald's statement are idiotic. I mean, are you saying he's being responsble by not releasing the informaiton in a "data dump," but threaten to do so in the event anything happens to Snowden?

Does that mean that if nothing happens to Snowden, he's not going to release the information?

Based on his assertion, he's holding the information hostage contingent on what happens to Snowden.

Delusional.

[leveymg]

66. It's not a threat by Greenwald - he's saying there's a deadman trigger on those files

Everything that Snowden has would be dumped - and I take it that includes genuine national defense information, if something were to happen to him. I would think anyone in a position of responsibility would take that warning seriously.

Greenwald is just the instruction manual the dangerous appliance came in - he's just the warning label.

[ProSense]

67. Oh please,

It's not a threat by Greenwald - he's saying there's a deadman trigger on those files

Everything that Snowden has would be dumped - and I take it that includes genuine national defense information, if something were to happen to him. I would think anyone in a position of responsibility would take that warning seriously.

Greenwald is just the instruction manual the dangerous appliance came in - he's just the warning label.

...it's ridiculous posturing in Greenwald's delusional mind, and by your own words a threat.

[leveymg]

70. No, I believe him. Here's why:

Snowden took the job intending to leak - he's said as much, himself. He thought this through carefully, including self-defense and retaliatory mechanism and a plan for escalation of responses. Any intelligent person would do the same.

I assume that if he was in a position to collect NSA network information he would have also collected quite a lot of content and IC metadata ("order of battle", routing addresses, network instructions, who's who and who has access to what.) That could be very valuable to an adversary, even without access to much compartmentalized data.

Whatever is on Greenwald's mind is entirely secondary to Snowden's.

[ProSense]

77. So

No, I believe him. Here's why:

Snowden took the job intending to leak - he's said as much, himself. He thought this through carefully, including self-defense and retaliatory mechanism and a plan for escalation of responses. Any intelligent person would do the same.

I assume that if he was in a position to collect NSA network information he would have also collected quite a lot of content and IC metadata ("order of battle", routing addresses, network instructions, who's who and who has access to what.) That could be very valuable to an adversary, even without access to much compartmentalized data.

Whatever is on Greenwald's mind is entirely secondary to Snowden's.

...the felony theft charge, an extraditable offense, is accurate.

Still, he is holding stolen information hostage and threatening the U.S. government with the information.

Not only that, he's announcing to the world that if anything happens to Snowden, a person in Russian hands, he will release information that will bring the U.S. to its knees.

His assertions are idiotic.

[leveymg]

83. I don't think Greenwald is saying that he would release it. There are probably several

people and organizations who have copies and what they have is encrypted. Without the key, it's jibberish. If something happened to Snowden the key gets released, and so does all the data. It's not exactly anything new, but it's not idiotic.

[ProSense]

85. Greenwald

"I don't think Greenwald is saying that he would release it. There are probably several people and organizations who have copies and what they have is encrypted. Without the key, it's jibberish. If something happened to Snowden the key gets released, and so does all the data. It's not exactly anything new, but it's not idiotic."

...is making idiotic statements that serve no purpose at this point. As I said previously, he's confirming possession of stolen information that has nothing to do with the goal of the leak. He basically validated the felony theft charge. At this point, his mouth his doing more harm to Snowden's case.

[leveymg]

89. What case? Snowden's not going to be prosecuted. That's a fantasy.

As I said, Greenwald is the just the instructions that came with the very dangerous product, Snowden.

[ProSense]

92. OK

"What case? Snowden's not going to be prosecuted. That's a fantasy. As I said, Greenwald is the just the instructions that came with the very dangerous product, Snowden. "

...you've got a crystal ball, but are unable to refute the reality that Greenwald's ridiculous statements do nothing to help Snowden.

[Bradical79]

99. Not sure whats so delusional about his statement

It would be pretty easy for Snowden to set up.

[FreakinDJ]

103. Only Twits are "Cheerleading Trampling of Constitutional Rights"

that or some thing like Dumber then Dirt

[ProSense]

104. You may not

"Only Twits are 'Cheerleading Trampling of Constitutional Rights'"

...know this, but I don't particularly have a high opinion of Greenwald.

Glenn Greenwald: What the Supreme Court got right (Flashback)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/100293141

Glenn Greenwald defend Rand Paul against "Democratic myths"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022485711

His current statement show him to be the twit I always thought he was.

JMO

[FreakinDJ]

106. Its still killing the messenger - which is really dumb

I have a sickening feeling this whole eavesdropping thing goes a lot further then any of us here at DU can image

Can you imagine the uses for insider information?

Or how lucrative "Sharing / Selling" to Corporations / Foreign Governments could be?

[ProSense]

107. No, it isn't. It's criticizing him for his idiotic comments. n/t

[allin99]

52. They love the bully, it's what they are themselves. Look how they will go out of their way...

to make sure a board that i believe is supposed to be progressive is lost in a sea of hate the mssnger to distract from conversation about civil liberties. Someone recently wrote here that du made things happen in the past, i'm assuming it could make an effort on this issue but instead those who are pro-nsa/pro-fisa are insisting with dozens of anti-messenger posts an hour are preventing a more honest discussion on the issue.

[Marr]

54. Yep-- there have been countless threads about Snowden that are

essentially echo chambers with nothing but apologists in them. It's actually almost funny, seeing one shill high-fiving another in an otherwise empty room. But the overall distraction has been very effective, I agree-- and it's unfortunate.

[ProSense]

64. Yeah,

"They love the bully, it's what they are themselves. Look how they will go out of their way..."

...look: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023087676

You know, you jump in to defend the most absurd claims, and then throw around accusations without a clue.

[leveymg]

68. I disagree - the pro-Patriot Act FISA posters are laying out the thinking of the party DC apparachik

in near real-time- and it's a valuable thing to see how it shifts and becomes more and more shrill and defensive. They are losing the battle of public opinion, both in the US and most certainly globally, and it's good to have such a close view of both sides of it here.

[allin99]

73. Agree with all that you said. but it's the extent of the posts that are meant to ...

control the conversation. Unless it just so happens to be that pro-fisa people just happen to be super-hyper, it's the barrage of similar posts by the same persons and the nature of the posts, that work to keep the conversation about both the extended surveillance and the government officials that create it from progressing.

i mean c'mon, 10 posts about someone's girlfriend? Keeps people from delving into people like Clapper, which is what it's meant to do.

[leveymg]

87. I agree that's what they're trying to do, but it's backfired, badly. It just keeps the story

up near the top of the GD page. They aren't really controlling the discussion, just tossing out talking points that prove quickly wrong most of time, and they look increasingly ridiculous.

The story isn't really about Clapper. It's about how it's past time to chuck the Patriot Act and the multibillion dollar contractors, and bring back the 4th Amendment we used to enjoy as Americans.

[allin99]

93. gotcha, thanks...

re: clapper, i just meant there are things to delve into there.

[Mojorabbit]

94. Except if you read the transcript which is in another thread

it is followed by "but that is not his goal"

[ProSense]

97. Do you mean:

"Except if you read the transcript which is in another thread"

...this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023244823

[Mojorabbit]

98. i refuse to follow your links

I wasted too much precious time doing that. If you have something to say, say it here. I posted in yet another thread you have posted on the SAME subject the qualifying part of the interview which was left out.

[randome]

5. Third-party blackmail.

Glenn sounds worried that Snowden will finally reveal what he meant when he "saw things".
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You should never stop having childhood dreams.[/center][/font][hr]

[ProSense]

9. Likely, the PR event didn't go over well. n/t

[arely staircase]

16. yep, patriot that he is

it won't work

[Thinkingabout]

2. One thing Greenwald's writings has shown me is it is very close to rags magazine articles, if I was

doing a search and the link went to the Guardian and I wanted to read non factual information, then I would go to the link, if I was wanting factual information then I would follow other links I find to be factual. Just like the manufactured scandals by the GOP, it falls apart when they can not back up their information. It is playing to a certain base who don't like guberment but wants to be in offices in the guberment. I find we have some of their tolls on this site.

[hardcover]

4. What a grandstanding ass he is.

[UTUSN]

6. Saw the link elsewhere, clicked to see who the "journalist" was. Oh. n/t

[MineralMan]

7. Greenwald is a tool.

Yes, he is. Whose tool he is I think I know; His house is in the village, though. (Sorry, Robert.)

His threats ring hollow.

[MjolnirTime]

12. Rand Paul

[MineralMan]

13. He could be it, or his proud papa, Ron.

Both have extensive toolboxes, I understand. Many monkey wrenches to throw into the works.

[Maximumnegro]

21. Matt Taibbi has exposed far more important information

than Greenwald, but nobody posts thread after thread about him. Maybe because he's not a dick. Or maybe because Taibbi isn't frothing about Obama every chance he gets. Probably a mix of both.

[MineralMan]

24. Taibbi is not a libertarian. Greenwald is.

What that means is that Greenwald has many allies in many places who promote his writings.

[leveymg]

56. Which village? The Village? Is it Number 2, again? Which Number 2? Who is No 1?

[MineralMan]

63. It's always some village or another.

It always takes a village. Usually, there's a forest outside of its borders, full of bogeymen of some sort. And so it goes.

[Fumesucker]

95. What were you saying about Greenwald at Free Republic when he was ragging on Dubya?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[MineralMan]

111. Nothing.

I became aware of him within the past couple of years.

Thanks for your interest in me.

[loyalsister]

8. How do people not see this guy as a traitor

Threatening to deliberately harm the US and by extension every one of us is pretty clearly treason to me.
I remember a friend saying that she thought a Bush presidency might be a good thing. A total melt down would cause the nation to rethink everything and become better. So, she voted for Nader.

[liberal N proud]

10. Been asking that question all along.

Yes the program of spying on citizens needs to stop, but Snowden did it all wrong.


He is a criminal of state, a traitor!
And I will get flamed for saying that

[Marr]

17. That's even worse than defending these programs.

You're essentially saying that, while you believe these domestic spying programs equate to government overreach, you're not willing to actually do anything about it-- or even support others who do-- if their efforts make the current administration look bad.

[liberal N proud]

32. No - I am saying that running around the world telling everyone is the crime.

By approving of Snowdens methods of espionage, you are saying you no longer support your country.

[Marr]

48. I don't support the government of my country when it tramples on civil rights, no.

That was true when Bush was in the White House, and it's still true today. And being generally supportive of a government whistleblower does not mean a person hates their country.

I expect we'll both agree on this topic again once there's another Republican in the White House.

[liberal N proud]

49. I guess you could leave and join Snowden

I guess it is too complicated for you!

[Marr]

51. Wow-- 'love it or leave it'.

Good for you, recycling those old discarded slogans.

[KittyWampus]

84. You also have made it quite clear that you no longer vote for Democrats. Just to be clear.

[Marr]

90. You lie very easily.

I have said no such thing, nor is it true.

[Amaya]

76. Snowden is no traitor

NSA = traitors

[Cha]

109. Snowden is a hack and a leaker who's cozied up to China and Russia.

And, praising putin.

Can Edward Snowden cite human rights and still applaud Putin?

Perhaps it was no more than being naive, but to list Putin's Russia, as Snowden did, among his little list of countries for "being the first to stand against human rights violations" suggests a dangerous moral relativism.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/edward-snowden-anna-politkovskaya

He can if he's a fooking idiot. Mr Pipsqueak Propaganda Pimp.

[liberal N proud]

112. It is possible that both are wrong!

[loyalsister]

100. I agree

You are correct. He had other options.

People are acting like it's a 24 episode. He's going to be tortured and sent to GITMO... Actually he may be acting out a Jack Bauer fantasy.

[leveymg]

61. Some see this differently: the people who allowed the NSA to spy on ALL of us are the traitors.

Upending the Constitution is by far the greater harm. It is not clear at all that Snowden's revelations, so far, have done the nation or any particular individual any serious harm at all, other than dispepsia.

[MjolnirTime]

11. Shut your mouth, Glenn. We're tired of your threats. Dump all the data, or don't.

Quit using it to fund your personal Anti-Obama quest.

[DevonRex]

15. Greenwald runs to Brazil to avoid taxes. Teams up with traitor to destroy the US

over spying on his new-found home, South America, where he ran to avoid paying U.S.taxes. Fuck Greenwald. He hates the United States, he doesn't give a shit that he's hurting regular Americans with his vendetta. There is nothing honorable or good in this man. Bring the U.S. to its knees? That includes the people.

[flamingdem]

22. +1

I think he went over the top here for the benefit of the Latin American Left that is on a rampage against the USA now. He wants to take that to the bank.

Otherwise I'm having a hard time understanding why he's so out of control.

[Blackford]

57. +2 n/t

[CakeGrrl]

119. +1000

[JaneyVee]

18. It's always the US that these "journalists" are trying to destroy.

[GeorgeGist]

19. Greenwald is an idiot.

[flamingdem]

23. +!! in a nutshell yes

[MannyGoldstein]

26. Snowden Suxx!!! nm

[DevonRex]

29. What a childish response. In your attempt to belittle us, you've belittled yourself. nt

[woo me with science]

35. Oh, that's rich. nt

[otohara]

27. He's Enjoying This Far Too Much

Ever since he started hating on POTUS the man sounds like he's dying for the US to be isolated and hated throughout the world and at home.

[flamingdem]

31. This has to be the explanation

His pure pleasure in the fantasy of the US on its knees.

That, or he's an idiot! and/or

[temmer]

28. if the US government has nothing to hide it has nothing to fear

Blackmailing? C'mon.

[pnwmom]

33. Are you really that naive? The US has a network of agents just like Valerie Plame,

many of whom's lives would be in danger if they were exposed.

Funny how so many people were furious about the outing of a single agent during the Bush years and aren't a bit concerned about Snowden's threats to out all the rest.

[flamingdem]

37. Greenwald really blanked the pooch today with those comments

How can he walk them back?

He's threatening agents and their families.

[woo me with science]

38. Are you really that naive?

The US government has assembled a surveillance architecture whose capabilities dwarf that of any totalitarian government in history.

We are being spied on by our own government, in partnership with corporations who have no loyalty whatsoever to the people of the US...in fact, who see us as commodities to be exploited, like the millions they have already impoverished and/or killed worldwide. Whistleblowers and journalists are under assault by our own government.

Wake up.

[pnwmom]

40. It's Snowden himself who has taken the focus off internal US surveillance,

which I think should be vigorously debated.

I do not think our spying on Russia and China should have been exposed or that the necessity of such spying would be debated by reasonable people.

[woo me with science]

46. No he hasn't. nt

[Major Hogwash]

115. Not only that, but he's made a nuisance of himself in the process.

He'll never walk a free man ever again.

[KittyWampus]

86. Actually, the US Govt has assemble surveillance that is SIMILAR to most of the globe.

No, that doesn't make it "right". But it does make your first sentence seem kind of silly.

[Douglas Carpenter]

41. speaking of Valerie Plame - she and her husband recently wrote on OP-ED on this whole issue

The NSA's metastasised intelligence-industrial complex is ripe for abuse

Where oversight and accountability have failed, Snowden's leaks have opened up a vital public debate on our rights and privacy

by Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson

guardian.co.uk, Sunday 23 June 2013 13.00 BST


Let's be absolutely clear about the news that the NSA collects massive amounts of information on US citizens – from emails, to telephone calls, to videos, under the Prism program and other Fisa court orders: this story has nothing to do with Edward Snowden. As interesting as his flight to Hong Kong might be, the pole-dancing girlfriend, and interviews from undisclosed locations, his fate is just a sideshow to the essential issues of national security versus constitutional guarantees of privacy, which his disclosures have surfaced in sharp relief.

Snowden will be hunted relentlessly and, when finally found, with glee, brought back to the US in handcuffs and severely punished. (If Private Bradley Manning's obscene conditions while incarcerated are any indication, it won't be pleasant for Snowden either, even while awaiting trial.) Snowden has already been the object of scorn and derision from the Washington establishment and mainstream media, but, once again, the focus is misplaced on the transiently shiny object. The relevant issue should be: what exactly is the US government doing in the people's name to "keep us safe" from terrorists?

We are now dealing with a vast intelligence-industrial complex that is largely unaccountable to its citizens. This alarming, unchecked growth of the intelligence sector and the increasingly heavy reliance on subcontractors to carry out core intelligence tasks – now estimated to account for approximately 60% of the intelligence budget – have intensified since the 9/11 attacks and what was, arguably, our regrettable over-reaction to them.

Today, the intelligence sector is so immense that no one person can manage, or even comprehend, its reach. When an operation in the field goes south, who would we prefer to try and correct the damage: a government employee whose loyalty belongs to his country (despite a modest salary), or the subcontractor who wants to ensure that his much fatter paycheck keeps coming? - Valerie Plame Wilson and Joe Wilson

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/23/nsa-intelligence-industrial-complex-abuse

[pnwmom]

42. Yes, and they wrote that the day before Snowden came forth with his threats

to out American "assets" (spies like Plame) in his interview with the Chinese newspaper.

[flamingdem]

43. Written before Greenwald's threats to expose US agents worldwide

and/or whatever else would "bring the USA to its knees".

[Douglas Carpenter]

44. and they still believe that the Surveillance state is out of control are they still glad that

finally someone is talking about it - When did Greenwald threaten to expose all agents worldwide?

[woo me with science]

50. Excellent article. Thank you. We are hearing more and more voices

of people who know the dangers of the intelligence industrial complex first-hand, coming forward to validate Snowden's courageous choice. If we don't address this growing surveillance monster now, we may not have another chance. Our own government is actively and outrageously working to silence dissent at this point, through assaults on protesters, whistleblowers, and investigative journalists.

The relentless smear propaganda campaign across the media and the internet, and the government's taking the outrageous steps of interrupting the flight of a President of a sovereign nation and trying to exert pressure in other countries to silence Snowden's voice, make it clear how afraid they are, and how desperate to manage and contain these revelations.

[temmer]

45. How do you know agents are affected?

AND THEIR FAMILIES! OH MY GAWD!

I don't read anything about agents in Greenwald's suggestion.

[temmer]

47. Exposing the agents is certainly not the worst nightmare

for Mr. Clapper and Mr. Alexander.

Must be something different.

[randome]

55. The next NSA document to release.

The guy holding the blood jar is Clapper.
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[marions ghost]

58. right

---

[blue cat]

30. imo

He deserves jail, no less.

[woo me with science]

34. Of course you do.

So does "everybody" participating in this desperately obvious smear campaign.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

59. He's right. Having the people find out what it's government does is a nightmare...

for the government.

[marions ghost]

62. This is their big fear

that the people (of the US and the world) find out.

[Waiting For Everyman]

65. As I was saying in another thread: two words... check and mate.

Oh the whining and crying and wailing and gnashing of teeth and rending of clothes!



Effing sucks when the bully gets kicked in the nasty bits, doesn't it?

[ProSense]

69. Snowden is in the hands of the Russians.

"As I was saying in another thread: two words... check and mate."

Do you really think announcing to the world that if anything happens to Snowden, he'll bring the U.S. to its knees is a good idea?

Greenwald is being completely idiotic and irresponsible.

[Waiting For Everyman]

72. Russians: so what... Good idea: yes... Greenwald is absolutely right. nt

[ProSense]

74. LOL!

"Russians: so what... Good idea: yes... Greenwald is absolutely right."

What is Greenwald "right" about?

Does he mean that if nothing happens to Snowden, he's not going to release the information?

Based on his assertion, he's holding the information hostage contingent on what happens to Snowden.

Delusional.

[Waiting For Everyman]

79. Right about what? The US should hope that nothing happens to Snowden.

Do I expect the US to be intelligent enough to do as Greenwald suggests? No, why would they start now? I don't think Snowden or Greenwald expects them to suddenly start being intelligent either. I think this is what's known as fair warning.

Metaphorically he's saying to the US, if you don't want this grenade to blow up, you should maybe leave the pin in it. Sounds like good advice to me. But of course, Big Brother always thinks it knows better.

[ProSense]

80. Again,

"Right about what? The US should hope that nothing happens to Snowden...Metaphorically he's saying to the US, if you don't want this grenade to blow up, you should maybe leave the pin in it. Sounds like good advice to me. But of course, Big Brother always thinks it knows better."

...he's holding information hostage and making a threat based on his own delusional assumptions. Also, Snowden is in the hands of the Russians, which makes Greenwald's bluster even more idiotic.

As for the information, he sounds like he has possession of information that would validate the felony theft charge against Snowden.

Greenwald's mouth is digging a deeper hole for Snowden.

[Waiting For Everyman]

82. I think they both know what they're doing, and the US and Russians get it too. nt

[flamingdem]

75. I'd say he made Snowden a bit nervous

with that comment.

I don't see where that fits the Paul Revere script!

[Waiting For Everyman]

81. You do realize that the Revolution was an illegal act? At least I hope you do.

The whole thing was treason. All the Founding Fathers would've hung if they had lost (and many more of the troops as well of course).

The TORIES were all about what was "legal". Some things don't change.

[flamingdem]

91. If Paul Revere heard this by Greenwald he'd say "The Idiots are coming, the Idiots are coming"

[Waiting For Everyman]

96. I think he'd paraphrase FDR, "the Tories hatred is a thing to welcome". nt

[cantbeserious]

102. Would That Occur The USA Cheerleaders Might Have To Eat Serious Crow - It Would Be A Humbling Experience

eom

[polichick]

88. I like your bully and nasty bits analogy - it's also a case of...

the whole world seeing that the emperor's pimply ass is hanging out.

I supported President Obama's early stance on transparency and still do - wish he still did.

[cantbeserious]

105. Obama's Transparency Has Whithered In The Wind

eom

[struggle4progress]

71. Um, Glenn ... I'm really not sure what you're doing qualifies as public interest journalism

[allin99]

78. +1000. That's why i dislike him so much. It's such a shame...

that this is who is disseminating information. i have objections to the wikileaks crew, but they serve a purpose, this guy however has lost the plot. He has now more than interjected himself into the story, which of course he was doing before, but now he is putting the leaker in jeopardy, and doing something else i just don't feel like mentioning right now.

[David__77]

101. But would it be a nightmare for the people of the US?

That's not necessarily the same thing.

[L0oniX]

108. Snowden loves bunnies. n/t

[Cha]

110. I think Glenn Greenwald should tell himself to be

fucking "careful". That ugly stupid mouth of his is only digging himself into a bigger sink hole.

[Bonobo]

113. Why do you feel the need to deceive?

He was talking about it being a nightmare for the government, not the US in general.

They are two different things actually.

Why do you feel the need to deceive and smear people -is it just because they are being "mean" to President Obama?

[ProSense]

117. Wait,

Why do you feel the need to deceive?

He was talking about it being a nightmare for the government, not the US in general.

They are two different things actually.

Why do you feel the need to deceive and smear people -is it just because they are being "mean" to President Obama?

...WTF are you talking about? Not only is there no such assertion in the OP, but also no comment from me.

So, again, WTF are you talking about?

"The need to deceive" is demonstrated by baseless accusation. Also, please spare me the bullshit snark.

[Bonobo]

118. R

"...WTF are you talking about? Not only is there no such assertion in the OP, but also no comment from me. "

...ead the fucking title of the OP."

And spare me the "Who me" pathetic protestations.

[Major Hogwash]

114. I don't think Greenwald is even a US citizen anymore.

He gave that up when he moved to Brazil a few years ago.

[Red Mountain]

116. So if a nation or person wanted to cause harm to the US......

They only have to kill Snowden.

Thanks for the heads up, Glenn.