Greenwald says Snowden Documents Could Be 'Worst Nightmare' for US (Patriot NOT)

[flamingdem]

Snowden documents could be 'worst nightmare' for U.S.: journalist
Sat, Jul 13 11:50 AM EDT

BUENOS AIRES (Reuters) - Fugitive former U.S. spy contractor Edward Snowden controls dangerous information that could become the United States' "worst nightmare" if revealed, a journalist familiar with the data said in a newspaper interview.

Glenn Greenwald, the Guardian journalist who first published the documents Snowden leaked, said in a newspaper interview published on Saturday that the U.S. government should be careful in its pursuit of the former computer analyst.

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview in Rio de Janeiro with the Argentinean daily La Nacion.

"The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."

Snowden, who is sought by Washington on espionage charges after revealing details of secret surveillance programs, has been stranded at a Moscow airport since June 23 and is now seeking refuge in Russia until he can secure safe passage to Latin America, where several counties have offered him asylum.

Greenwald said in his interview with La Nacion that documents Snowden has tucked away in different parts of the world detail which U.S. spy programs capture transmissions in Latin America and how they work.



http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBRE96C08Q20130713?i=1&irpc=932

[randome]

1. Sounds like it's Greenwald who is already on his knees.

Praying that Snowden is not brought to trial.
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[flamingdem]

3. Ah, the timeline

Funny that Greenwald is saying one week that Snowden has dumped most of what he's got.

The next week he's saying the information is the USAs worst nightmare.

Is this a product of his thought process or did he get more information?

Or did he get a clue after speaking with his lawyer.

[gulliver]

13. Yup

I can't wait for Snowden to be arrested...or whatever process gets him in American custody. Snowden will be Ted Kaczynski's cellmate. Greewald will be Julian Assange's roommate.

[Blackford]

101. Sounds like Greenwald may have collaborated before the fact

That would make him anb accessory subject to prosecution.

[treestar]

2. Sounds like blackmail even if true

Why do we as a nation have to beg Snowden? Interesting reveal of Greenwald's true motives, at least.

[flamingdem]

5. With this it's hard to see how anyone can call him a whistleblower

or a dissident. Russia had better think things over.

The news today is that Snowden did not turn in an application for asylum.
This reported by the Russians since he said he'd do it yesterday.

The plot thickens. What happened in the meantime was the Putin Obama call.

[treestar]

8. Bully Obama pushing Pootie Poot around!

Why that bullying US with its Constitution and Rule of Law telling a tyrant what to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[flamingdem]

11. Can't wait to see what Wikileaks calls Obama today!

If Obama prevailed with Pootie then game over for Snowden.

[Whisp]

41. It does sound like a threat, doesn't it?

Could he mean releasing the Agent names.

Does Snowden even know what GG is saying and doing because there seems to be a fair amount of clash between the two and their stories.

[Thinkingabout]

4. The FBI already knows exactly what files has been accessed by Snowden so there will not be any

surprises to the FBI. Snowden is a patsy to those who will try any rag magazine tactics of spy and lie to stir up their base, does not work on me.

[flamingdem]

6. Yes they seem to know that he has lists of agents

at least some articles say that this is their concern.

So it's not that they don't know, it's that they fear the release of those names, I guess

[BenzoDia]

43. Link? Last I read they weren't sure exactly. But that was a while ago.

[Thinkingabout]

68. Actually saw Robert Mueller on news report via tv, don't have a link, suggest you can use search

engine if you need a link.

[dkf]

106. Have they been tracking him through all his jobs?

The guy has been working for some three letter agency for a decade.

[PSPS]

7. Yawn. Just another apology #5 "Greenwald/Flaherty/Gillum/Apuzzo/Braun is a hack"

Well, no. There is some #13 in there too: "I don't like Snowden, therefore we must disregard all of this "

[Mojorabbit]

107. Yes and most of the gang is here! LOL

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. How about a preemptive strike? Have the NSA release all the documents first.

Works for me.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

10. This treason and the defending of it is one of the worst tragedies since 9/11...

I hope our government has an ace up their sleeve that gives these criminals their comeuppance.

[HardTimes99]

30. "Tip of the iceberg" (Dem Rep Loretta Sanchez). We'll see who has

an ace up his or her sleeve, now won't we? And who gets his or her (or its) comeuppance.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

40. This is about more than NSA surveillance of American citizens.

Leaking that could have been more easily defended.

But alerting other countries to our activities in their countries is a treasonous act that does nothing for the American people.

[HardTimes99]

50. Oh, puh-leeze. Your appeals to nationalism are falling on deaf ears. Patriotism, as

Samuel Johnson once remarked, is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

[flamingdem]

62. Tell it to the founding fathers nt

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

91. Cries of "nationalism" when someone doesn't want to see harm done to their country.

You hide behind that far more than anyone hides behind the flag.

[MineralMan]

12. So, now, Greenwald the Tool makes threats?

Whose tool he is I think I know;
His house is in the village, though.

(apologies to Robert Frost.)

[flamingdem]

14. I just figured out he's trying to capitalize on anti-USA sentiments in Latin America

This article was for Argentina.

He wants donations from down there, they'd be happy to see all revealed!

[MineralMan]

17. No doubt. Capitalizing on anti-USA sentiments

is his rice bowl.

[flamingdem]

16. Well you'd have to blame the journalist

I don't know where you're from but most Americans don't want to see agents being killed for this.

[MineralMan]

18. And in every negative thread about Greenwald

there's someone attempting to bluff his or her way transparently into reversing the spin.

You're it today, apparently.

[Generic Other]

31. So people who think the government must be transparent

are wrong? Do you not believe that all agencies of the government are answerable for their behavior to executive, legislative and judicial branches of government? That their actions should be open and transparent to all Americans as well? That we should not spy on Americans in violation of the Constitution, that our spy agencies should not attempt to assassinate or topple foreign leaders, manipulate, infiltrate or otherwise interfere with the self-determination of other nations? These are issues far more important to me than calling out Snowden or Greenwald.

Our government needs a new set of checks and balances specifically outlining what our government can or cannot do. As long as we are guilty of crimes, you cannot really fault anyone from presenting the evidence to the world. I don't like the idea that our government may be doing things so horrific that we as Americans will suffer for it if the facts are made public, but I am not willing to defend such behavior with my silence either.

I don't think that makes me a traitor to my country. Maybe though you do.

[RC]

108. +10 Well said.

The real crimes are being committed by our government. All Snowden did was to throw some light on some of those crimes.

[Progressive dog]

35. I think you mixed up pro and anti.

Just like you accidentally stuck government into Greenwald's spiel.

[markiv]

19. is it time for '2 minutes hate' already?

two minute hate - Daily telescreen specials in which various elements of crimethink were packaged into a parade of horrible images and sounds, at which, the viewers were expected to boo, hiss, curse. and release any negative emotions upon.

Goldstein, Emmanuel - The supreme enemy of the state. He was once a high-ranking member of the party, until he supposedly betrayed the party and begin engaging in revolutionary activities. He is the supposed head of the "resistance". Goldstein is to Ingsoc what Satan is to Christianity... The embodiment of pure evil.

too bad they didnt catch snowden when they stopped the bolivian plane in airstrip one (formerly known as austria. this event is now in the memory hole

Airstrip One - Formally called England. This term demonstrates Orwell's distain for American influence Europe. It seems that Oceania (America, England, South America, Australia) looks upon Britain as little more than an ‘airstrip’ ... a launching ground into the European theater of war. It appears that Orwell was predicting the minor role that England would play in the global politics of the future.

memory hole - A system of pipes, similar to pneumatic tubes, which were used to destroy documents. A document stuffed in the memory hole would be conveniently whisked away to the furnaces below - quickly & easily wiped from history.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

23. Is it time for referencing fictional novels to make political points already? nt

[markiv]

27. Orwell was a keen observer of political reality

fiction was a vehicle for conveying the political reality which inspired his work

the reason it has so much respect is because it's so accurate, in the way it catalogues the social behavior of people

interesting that it makes you so uncomfortable

[Maximumnegro]

46. Yes interesting it makes you so comfortable

to think it interesting it made the poster so uncomfortable.

Who observes the observer? Jiddu Krishnamurti was a keen observer of reality itself. Self-inquiry was his vehicle for conveying the unreality which inspired his work. The reason he has so much respect is because he was so accurate in the way he catalogued the delusion of 'I' and the behavior of people.

Interesting that it makes me so comfortable to think it interesting it makes you so comfortable to think it interesting it made the poster so uncomfortable.

Krishnamurti beats Orwell. I win.

[randome]

60. I don't know if you won but you can sure run logic circles around anyone!

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[markiv]

66. it's called 'circular logic' nt

[markiv]

63. who said i wasnt comfortable?

try not nesting your logic more than 2 levels deep, it's tiresome to root our your false assumptions within it

[Generic Other]

64. At least Orwell makes sense

Orwell understood the political realities more than most. He stated that most modern political speech and writing was in "the defense of the indefensible." Bombing cities, killing children, etc.

His understanding of the power of language to make us conform our thinking, the psychology of authoritarianism, the abuse of power by the state, the effects of a surveillance society on human interaction, the breaking point of the human spirit. I don't think you should dismiss Orwell. I have made a habit of reading his work every few years to remind myself of the underlying message.

[markiv]

67. well said

it saddens me to see the increasing hostility to Orwell on this site

perhaps his ideas should be considered 'crimethink'

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

92. He's a good read. I'll give you that. But policy should be strictly based on data. nt

[Generic Other]

109. What not the Bible?

as it is now?

[RC]

110. What about morals?

Shouldn't that affect policy? Republicans make up their own data and do not have much in the way of morals. Winning is all that counts for them.

[ucrdem]

20. "I have here in my hand a list of 205 . . ."

These guys have been playing the McCarthy routine since day 1. Senator Snowjob seems to be forgetting his lines but he's toast anyway and now GG is proving to the world that he's the meanest dog of all, bwahaha!!!

[NoPasaran]

21. Is this like the Giant Doomsday Folder of Encrypted Doom to destroy the BOA

That was going to be released if anyone came after WikiBoy? Still waiting for that shit to hit the fan.

[DevonRex]

22. And that's just SO helpful to the American people, right, Glenn, you fucking asshole?

Fuck Glenn Greenwald.

[Enrique]

24. Greenwald is talking about the U.S. government killing Snowden

and people here are talking about "blackmail"?

How dare he blackmail the U.S. government into not assassinating him! A good patriot would just wait for it.

[flamingdem]

32. If it's true they have agent names, Snowden's life isn't worth more

than those people who have sacrificed theirs in the field.

[MjolnirTime]

36. He's talking about damaging our Nation for a personal vendetta.

They deserve everything coming their way. All of it.

[Enrique]

45. no, he's saying if they KILL HIM

that isn't a vendetta.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

47. If he has what some fear, that should be an option on the table. nt

[MjolnirTime]

49. He obviously has a vendetta. He betrayed a nation of millions.

[RC]

111. And our government hasn't with all their secrecy, spying, lying, war mongering, and so on...

The millions that have been betrayed are the millions of US citizens by their own government.

[Marr]

56. He's talking about embarrassing politicians, and costing the national security state a lot of money.

The intelligence agencies have already lied to Congress on this subject, and provably so. We know this partially because of Snowden's actions as a whistle blower.

And you're saying you'd be just fine with them murdering an American citizen to 'protect us' from learning any more about their actions.

[flamingdem]

61. That doesn't bring the US govt. "to it's knees", which btw is a pretty Sado-Masochistic

term to use.

[Marr]

69. Wait-- you're complaining that his words don't conform well to your framing?

Alright, then.

I agree-- my interpretation of his statement seems more accurate.

[DevonRex]

48. He's talking about bringing the U.S. to its knees. Do you think there aren't a LOT of

governments' secrets intertwined with ours in what Snowden has? If you don't you are incredibly naive. His fate is not in our hands alone. He set this in motion - he and Greenwald. Who knows who will end it. If Snowden ever gets to South America he's free game. And there are MANY governments who will want him. Not only that but Greenwald just stuck a big fat target on his own back and a few others, too.

[flamingdem]

70. Greenwald said that Snowden was such a great hacker, could protect the info from Russians etc

but that he has the same info?!

So how does he access it without Snowden?

And does this indeed make him a target?

I think he's just doing it for promotion, but he is looking like an idiot so maybe he's just that.

[DevonRex]

76. It makes Greenwald a target and Greenwald's associates, too.

And anyone else Snowden had contact with in Hong Kong. And their associates. All Snowden's coworkers, friends, etc. Their lives will be turned upside down and inside out.

This might have been Glenn's way of forcing Brazil to protect him. But Mossad and FSB don't honor the wishes of South American countries.

ETA: Greenwald just dangled real bait in front of their noses. Someone will want it.

[flamingdem]

77. It's curious. What does he hope to achieve by putting crosshairs

on himself and on Snowden.

Especially when the information is about US intelligence assets who could be killed.

He's losing it. Or just so addicted to publicity and $ from fans he'll say anything.

[allin99]

87. snowden already made it clear that he had info...

in others hands and that it would make it unwise to kill him, so what purpose does it serve for greenwald to ramble on about it, the gov't heard it once from snowden himself, and he certainly didn't go on about 'damaging america in 1 minute more than all secrets in history' crap.

[randome]

94. They could both be lying, too.

Snowden has told more than a few lies starting with his resume.
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[allin99]

95. whether it is or is not a lie doesn't change the possible consequences.

[wandy]

25. The definition of insanity continues................

"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,"

Oh My Goodnice!!!!!

Let's see, our mans's been on Chinese turf. Now he's with the Russians too.
He has..

"Enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had,"

As we all know the Chinese and the Russians have allays been Americas greatest friends and allies.
Did you know that China and Russia have greater respect for human rights than even the U.S!
Either the Chinese or the Russians would ever, I mean Never Ever do nasty things to a person if they thought they had information that could be used to "cause harm to the U.S. government "

Know what boys and girls...

If Ian Fleming wrote spy stories this poorly, you never would have heard of James Bond.


This just in! The Russians are such nice people.
Here's proof!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/112749048#post3

[Comrade Grumpy]

26. These threads would be funny if they weren't so sad.

[liberal N proud]

28. I have been getting flamed here for saying Snowden is not a patriot

Maybe now some will listen.

[Jamaal510]

113. Fat chance. eom

[BenzoDia]

29. Lol!

[bunnies]

33. So, Snowdens holding out on us.

And HE's deciding what we get to know or not know. Is that whats going on? It seems just a *tad* hypocritical, imho.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

42. That is Greenwald and Guardian Media Group's decision.

All of their publications have a net loss, except one:

AUTO TRADER

[MjolnirTime]

34. Now that the traitors are cornered, the charade is falling. And the threats emerge.

The sooner Snowden and his accessory/enabler Greenwald are put to trial, the better.

They wanted to be an example of what happens when you steal secrets from the US.
And that's exactly what they're going to be.

[flamingdem]

37. Once Snowden is back in the motherland

what might we imagine Greenwald will do with his thumb drive full of secrets.

In a way he'll become the new Snowden.

But one way you can tell he's full of bs, he claims that Snowden is such a super hacker he can protect his files from the Russians and Chinese.. yet Snowden gave him copies?

So how do those get unencrypted without Snowden?

He's probably blowing hot air to stay in the news.

[grasswire]

51. Has Greenwald been charged with a crime?

Or is that a figment of an active and punitive imagination?

Or are we just "trying" journalists now, willy nilly?

[MjolnirTime]

55. Snowden has confessed to felonies.

Snowden has stated he got the job at Booz for the specific purpose of stealing National Secrets.

Greenwald unwittingly admitted to knowing Snowden many months before Snowden got the job at Booz.

They new each other before all of this went down.
They conspired.
Snowden went in with a plan.

Greenwald is just as guilty.
And when Snowden is brought in and rolls on him. Glenn will be looking for asylum, too.
Because Brazil does have an extradition treaty with the US.

[flamingdem]

59. That's right. I forgot he confessed in Hong Kong

Russians better give him up. Admitted felon!

[grasswire]

73. once again: Has Greenwald been charged with any crimes?

You are really out on a limb here. And quite un-American, too, I might say, to claim that a journalist who is reporting on a person who is charged with a crime is also a criminal, just by association.

That's breaking new (and unconstitutional) ground.

Does it bother you at all to encroach on established laws of due process, rules of evidence, and centuries of laws of criminal procedure that protect each one of us, especially the innocent?

[MjolnirTime]

89. The journalist was associated with the spy before he stole the secrets.

Before he took a job with a plan to steal secrets.

That is far more than just association.

It's called conspiracy and people go to jail for it every day.

[Whisp]

38. This will make Glenn 'ca-ching' Greenwald a lot richer.

hysteria and hair burning are 'in' and the wallets will be pouring out.

[flamingdem]

39. He learned his Glen Beck lessons well

Now he's hitting up the Latin American left, since this was published in Buenos Aires.

Lots of cash among the well to do there.

Might be his last chance now that Pootie and Obama are chatting.

[bunnies]

44. "any other person" is such an absurd claim.

I mean... Snowden, in his 2 months of working at the NSA... has more information that could harm the US than the President does. Oh, rly?

[MannyGoldstein]

52. Which is why the US downed the plane of a head of state

The problem is that we know that our government is doing a lot of awful, awful stuff in secret - from Spying on Everyone to TPP, etc. I hope that whatever's released simply throws light onto evil, rather than blowing the cover of legitimate and moral operations.

[flamingdem]

53. And you trust Greenwald to make decisions on that?

[MannyGoldstein]

54. I don't have a choice in the matter

I'm just hoping that he, and Snowden, do the right things.

Why do you think I'm a big fan of Snowden or Greenwald? And why do you think they matter so much to DU?

[FarCenter]

96. "downed"? The Soviets "downed" Korean Airlines Flight 007

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

Morales aircraft was refused entry to the airspace of a few European countries, so his pilot landed in Vienna.

[MannyGoldstein]

102. Hmmm... can we agree that the White House *forced* down the plane

of a head of state?

Although downing does seem to be used in this context: https://www.google.com/search?q=downing+a+plane&ie=utf-8

[Fumesucker]

114. And the USS Vincennes "downed" Iran Air flight 655

[allin99]

57. Is he daring them to go after him? cuz with a statment like that, they certainly could...

and maybe should. wtf.
(and i'm on team snowden!)

why would gg even go there? what his point? don't kill snowden? they know that already.

[flamingdem]

58. fundraising nt

[allin99]

82. i've seen their fundraising, and that's not it.

[Politicalboi]

65. This is getting just plain sick

So we have to kiss this losers ass to keep us safe. I have been keeping my mouth shut for the most part on this because I find it funny that people who didn't give a rat's ass about a "thorough" investigation of 9/11, now wonder why the government can do all these things to us. LOL!

Surprise, 9/11 gives them the right to do ANYTHING they want to us in their eyes. And a lot was riding on this surveillance program. With 9/11 we the people will give up our rights to be safe. When in reality, it was them ALL the time.

[otohara]

72. Everytime He Opens His Mouth = More Danger & Fear

the only danger I fear is the amount of concealed weapons carriers that are now walking/driving around feeling like bad-asses like George Zimmerman.

[WillyT]

71. K & R !!!

[BeyondGeography]

74. Sooooo can the fan club tell us what this whole thing is about again?

The 4th amendment? Seems embarrassment and harm to the U.S. is taking priority. Of course, some of us have been saying that since Snowden fled to Hong Kong.

[flamingdem]

75. And people still worship GG and Snowden?

Right here is the evidence that Greenwald is making the story about him, even more than Snowden, no doubt because he realizes that Snowden is not that useful for him anymore.

For whatever reasons he put crosshairs on Snowden's back, and kind of himself at the same time.

First thought: fundraising

[DevonRex]

79. The 4th was the the bait and they swallowed it hook, line and sinker. The switch did

happen in Hong Kong but they were too in awe of their hero to see it. Now they're in too deep to admit it. That's how they get people to turn against their own country. Just yesterday people here said the U.S. was worse than the former Soviet Union and cheered Snowden's asylum there.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3230731
Remember the old Soviet Union? [View all]

Remember how they arrested people for any reason, or no reason at all? Remember how they imprisoned and tortured citizens because, well just because?

You young ones, you who came to maturity after the fall of the Soviet Union, you probably don't recall how back then we roundly condemned those excesses. How we said, That could NEVER happen here.

I remember. I remember those condemnations. I remember how we said we were better than that.

We used to be right about those things.

Now, sadly, we are even worse than the old Soviet Union.

My response

DevonRex (20,694 posts)
116. OMG this is fucking ridiculous.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/04/24/russia-worst-human-rights-climate-post-soviet-era

"Russia: Worst Human Rights Climate in Post-Soviet Era
Unprecedented Crackdown on Civil Society

Moscow) – The Russian government has unleashed a crackdown on civil society in the year since Vladimir Putin’s return to the presidency that is unprecedented in the country’s post-Soviet history.

The 78-page report, “Laws of Attrition: Crackdown on Russia’s Civil Society after Putin’s Return to the Presidency,”describes some of the changes since Putin returned to the presidency in May 2012. The authorities have introduced a series of restrictive laws, begun a nationwide campaign of invasive inspections of nongovernmental organizations, harassed, intimidated, and in a number of cases imprisonedpolitical activists, and sought to cast government critics as clandestine enemies. The report analyzes the new laws, including the so-called “foreign agents” law, the treason law, and the assembly law, and documents how they have been used.

“The new laws and government harassment are pushing civil society activists to the margins of the law,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “The government crackdown is hurting Russian society and harming Russia’s international standing.”

Many of the new laws and the treatment of civil society violate Russia’s international human rights commitments, Human Rights Watch said."

Here's the link to the full report.

http://www.hrw.org/node/115059

" Laws of Attrition
Crackdown on Russia’s Civil Society after Putin’s Return to the Presidency

APRIL 24, 2013
This 78-page report describes some of the changes since Putin returned to the presidency in May 2012. The authorities have introduced a series of restrictive laws, begun a nationwide campaign of invasive inspections of nongovernmental organizations, harassed, intimidated, and in a number of cases imprisoned political activists, and sought to cast government critics as clandestine enemies. The report analyzes the new laws, including the so-called “foreign agents” law, the treason law, and the assembly law, and documents how they have been used."

[flamingdem]

80. Snowden is kissing Putin's ass

but the irony of giving him asylum in Russia is just too much.

This has to be resolved in another way.

Today, that's Putin's homework.

If they give him asylum I would be inclined to think he was/is working for Moscow, maybe inadvertently, thanks Assange!

[DevonRex]

83. Putin's a tough one. Old school KGB. He does nothing out of kindness.

Snowden has no clue what's in store for him. Putin won't let him anywhere near his systems. He will be guarded constantly. Probably moved to the country to a safe house with no internet access.,

[flamingdem]

85. With some unsmiling guards outside his door

nyet on the free wodka!

[DevonRex]

90. Haha! Hope he likes borscht. nt

[allin99]

84. i'd glad ES did what he did, so if that qualifies me for fan club i'll give you my opinion...

i have no fucking idea.

lol.

[BeyondGeography]

88. Cheers

Me neither.

[allin99]

93. i think he's nothing more than an asshole self-serving turd...

who is going to get this kid killed.

[BeyondGeography]

98. I just never got the foreign angle

And I wonder how this endeavor escalated from exposing the scope and scale of domestic surveillance to revelations of activities around the world, which is where Snowden really harmed himself image-wise and legally, imo. It's possible Snowden wanted to go there from the start. What's clear is he had no mediating variable in either Greenwald and Assange. His father must be going crazy.

[flamingdem]

99. I agree. The father mentioned that Wikileaks just dumps everything

He wanted to protect his son from that but Wikileaks has shut him up

[allin99]

104. the only reason i didn't get it is because...

he didn't seem like the type to me to care about the rest of the world. Like i personally DETEST the gov't in all my business, but when he mentioned that the u.s. is spying on everyone, quite frankly, and sorry, but i really didn't care all that much.

i could justify if someone was the type to dislike American overreach and our aim at global domination, but he just doesn't seem the type.

that being said, after i saw *how* the u.s. grounded morales plane, then their threats to other nations, and lastly their increasing threats to countries that offered him asylum, i then found the overreach of the u.s. disturbing enough that i saw the problem with our spying on literally, everyone and our countries blatant disregard, and best, indifference, to other people's rights inside their own countries.

and agree with him having no mediating variable with GG and JA, i hope the dad is tough, this last gg business i think has sealed his fate in more ways than one. One that is obvious to me, but i won't say what it is, it's bad enough knowing it.

[Aerows]

78. Snowden needs to release the whole

she-bang and let the chips fall where they may, regardless of whether or not it might cause him to not be able to be granted asylum in Russia. For what it is worth, I support Snowden, but if he has all of that, he needs to go ahead and release it. He can't get into anymore trouble than he is already in.

[FarCenter]

81. Greenwald would be happy to see Snowden dead; then he gets the decryption keys to the archive

The contents probably would include --
- means and methods of intercepting international traffic,
- agreements with other countries,
- intercepts and intellegence provided by other countries, and
- intercepts of communications by international business and political leaders.

The net effect would be a diplomatic blowup and other countries breaking off intelligence collection and sharing agreements with the US.

It may have a good effect ultimately, since instead of the spooky intelligence collection we would re-emphasize human intelligence collection, running of agents, and better physical security and policing within the United States. Penetration of anti-social and terrorist groups within the US by human agents would become a top priority.

I've never understood the attempt, for example, to stop drug production in Latin America instead of rounding up and incarcerating all the drug dealers and users in the US. Mao Tse Tung demonstrated that you can eliminate drug usage via policing internal to a country.

[flamingdem]

86. I'm sure you understand that Greenwald is borderline

psycho and cannot be trusted to do anything that's not serving his anti-USA tantrum, right?

[neverforget]

105. Do you have any proof Greenwald is borderline psycho?

[RC]

112. He doesn't have any proof at all.

But it fits his agenda to demonize Snowden for some reason he likes the hoovering of everyone's electronic information in violation of the 4th Amendment. He probably has an American flag hung up in his garage too. I know someone in his wife sewing circle that leak that bit of info.

[AllINeedIsCoffee]

97. I will make my first post criticizing the Obama administration

If Glenn Greenwald is not arrested.

[Blackford]

100. And some would name this guy a hero.

I'm not impressed. This is nearing aiding the enemy territory where the death penalty could be sought if he is captured without using extradiction.

[flamingdem]

103. Russia won't extradite if the country has the death penalty

Not sure if this fits with GG's verbal explosions but it might