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What if you found a Judge doing something immoral and possibly illegal? (Original Post) cpamomfromtexas Jul 2013 OP
Does it matter that she's a judge? GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #1
Does it matter that she's a Democrat? DrDan Jul 2013 #2
turn in that mofu quinnox Jul 2013 #3
It would really depend on what it was. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #4
I would report it to the Bar association Marrah_G Jul 2013 #5
You must like in a State other than Illinois. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #7
I live in MA Marrah_G Jul 2013 #9
I'd first research to see if it is illegal or not. As far as immoral, depends on what it is. n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #6
"Immoral"? You mean like having an extramarital affair? Nothing. (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #8
Be specific about a totally vague hypothetical? Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #10
I think YOU need to be more specific Nevernose Jul 2013 #11
Sorry, just provided specifics below. cpamomfromtexas Jul 2013 #21
What does it matter what political party s/he called him/herself? I may be 1monster Jul 2013 #12
I would wish I had voted for Mitt Romney! 11 Bravo Jul 2013 #13
thanks everyone, here's specifics cpamomfromtexas Jul 2013 #14
More specifics cpamomfromtexas Jul 2013 #16
Sounds like it should be reported. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #19
First, the attorney should recuse himself. Lex Jul 2013 #17
A good legal rule is that if you have to ask "Is this unethical?" Nevernose Jul 2013 #18
I would have a bowl of alphabet soup NoPasaran Jul 2013 #15
I don't give a shit what letter is on their sweater TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #20
If it's immoral - I don't care. COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #22

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
4. It would really depend on what it was.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:17 PM
Jul 2013

If it was a misdemeanor, I might not say anything about it. If it was something serious, like taking a bribe, I would definitely report it. I would also take into consideration the judge's reputation on the bench. For instance, if the judge was known to be a hard ass, I would be much more likely to report the crime, whether it was serious or not.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
9. I live in MA
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:40 PM
Jul 2013

Not sure if reporting it would help or not. I just wouldn't know what other course to take in the matter. Also I should have been a little more clear: I would report if I thought the judge was doing something illegal or unethical, immoral is a little too subjective.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
11. I think YOU need to be more specific
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:44 PM
Jul 2013

No offense intended, but you're really the one who needs to be more specific. You're going to need to define the immoral/illegal act.

For instance, I once sat in a judge's chambers and watched an illegally downloaded copy of Terminatorn3. Or maybe it was e fourth one, I can't recall. We were joined by a public defender, a deputy district attorney, and an FBI agent. We made popcorn. It was both illegal and immoral, and none of us really cared.

That could be one possibility. Another possibility could be like that dude in Louisiana who, in order to defend himself against his wife's alleged poisoning attack, stole babies fm around the neighborhood and made smoothies out of them.

I guess what I'm saying here is: you've got to give me more to work with.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
12. What does it matter what political party s/he called him/herself? I may be
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jul 2013

registered with the Democratic Party, but that is not all of who or all of what I am. It certainly doesn't mean I would cover for the criminal actions of another just because they also registered as a Democrat.

What would I do? I'd pass the possible evidence to whatever appropriate investigators.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,245 posts)
14. thanks everyone, here's specifics
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:03 PM
Jul 2013

She appointed an attorney to research findings of the court and the document specifically states that the attorney is not to represent the defendant. This is after he's been incarcerated (illegally according to several other attorneys who have seen the case).

But the day PRIOR to signing this document, she appointed the SAME attorney to be his court appointed attorney!

Defendant thinks it is to stall and keep the appeal from moving forward.

I know this is a conflict of interest for the appointed attorney, how could he/she independently represent defendant in a fair manner?

But not sure if it is illegal though.

Looking at this judges other rulings makes me think she has higher aspirations, but I don't want anyone like that representing Democrats.

I've already called and emailed FBI several times on other issues in this case, no response whatsoever.

Either corruption runs so deep in Texas that they don't have time to answer or who knows?



cpamomfromtexas

(1,245 posts)
16. More specifics
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jul 2013

When I went to obtain court transcripts for this now indigent defendant, she screamed at me and accused me of "practicing law without a license" by attempting to get the transcripts so I could give them to the person who would prepare his motions for him.

I'm no attorney, but thought that was way out of line for a sitting Judge.

I immediately prepared an affidavit of all the particulars.

She's up for reelection next year.

Hoping someone runs against her. I will provide all the details to her opponent.

Do we have any FBI agents, in the house? I could sure use your help!

LuvNewcastle

(16,846 posts)
19. Sounds like it should be reported.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jul 2013

If I thought a lawyer and a judge were conspiring to railroad a defendant, that's something I would absolutely report. That's a very serious matter.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
18. A good legal rule is that if you have to ask "Is this unethical?"
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:14 PM
Jul 2013

Then it probably is. At any rate, if you avoid any situations where that needs to be asked, you'll be fine. On edit: by "you" I mean the judge and attorney.

I'm not as familiar with Texas, but there should be a judicial ethics board, usually made up of other judges, that handles this kind of stuff. There is also the state bar association, who handles this kind of stuff but is probably corrupt and incompetent. If you really feel the need to all federal authorities on this, you probably need to contact the appropriate branch of the DOJ.

Personally, I would start by having a private, casual conversation with the attorney to see what's up. There might be some totally innocent explanation.

Finally, my integrity is the most important thing I have. The integrity of public officials is equally important to me. I'd rather that Democrats lost every single election than elect Democrats who lack integrity. There really are more important things than winning.

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
20. I don't give a shit what letter is on their sweater
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 02:17 PM
Jul 2013

And the fact that people do or even consider it shows exactly what is wrong with our political system.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
22. If it's immoral - I don't care.
Sat Jul 13, 2013, 03:14 PM
Jul 2013

If it's illegal, report him/her to the authorities. If it's unethical (which is what you seem to be trying to get at) then register a complaint with the State Bar. They have authority to disipline judges who do not comport with the rules set out for them the the State Bar.

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