I tell ya, these Z defenders had lost their damn minds

[MrScorpio]

Must be all of that time under the Florida sun.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. Whoa

Yeah! That's bananas.

[MrScorpio]

4. They are not color... They are Americans!

The guy had to correct his spelling of "Americans"

"Americians," maybe?

[Generic Other]

10. Americons more likely

The neoAmericons just like the old Americons.

[Just Saying]

11. Tell it to George. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

13. What a dumb ass

And it's so easy to put on a poster when you know if it had been a black man that shot you he would have been arrested on the spot and convicted of 1st degree murder six months ago.

[chillfactor]

57. no argument there...n/t

[reusrename]

86. His buddy's lips are moving.

[egduj]

2. That's insane. I don't think he was even wearing gloves.

[Bay Boy]

66. Hard to tell but do you realize

that he is referring to the OJ Simpson trial?

[lpbk2713]

3. Give him credit for correct spelling.

He must have had help.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. But he did use the wrong tense

English wasn't my favorite subject but I think I can get through a four word sentence without screwing it up.

[Solly Mack]

5. Damn.

[MrScorpio]

6. I give the cops credit for not dressing up like jackbooted thugs

[Generic Other]

7. I can't even put into words what he thinks he is saying

Did he sit in the Florida sun too long? Just like a saltine in the sun. Baked.

[ileus]

8. Is this one of those first amendment zones they set up?

[MrScorpio]

12. They need to separate these people from the peaceful Trayvon supporters

Because those fools will do shit like this:

[Hoyt]

14. Hope somebody pushes the fool in pool, of course he'd pull his gun and shoot them under the bigot's

interpretation of Florida law.

[bunnies]

15. Yep. He'd just say he had a fear of drowning.

Could you blame him?

[rdharma]

42. Folks like Zimmerman usually have a prepared and practiced speech ready .....

.... so they can articulate their "reasonable fear of death or extreme bodily injury".

They "train" for shooting somebody...... and getting away with it.

Zimmerman said he knew nothing about Florida's "stand your ground" provision in the self-defense laws. RIIIIIGHT!

[bunnies]

48. Exactly.

Just insert appropriate details and taadaa!

He didnt know how to fight despite taking MMA training. And he'd never heard of stand your ground despite being taught about it class. Ah but we're supposed to disregard our common sense in this case aren't we. Its the only way the defense can "win".

[premium]

27. So you approve of assaulting

someone who has a difference of opinion than yours? And how do you know that he's carrying a firearm?

[Hoyt]

29. Bigots like him are usually armed. That's why I expected you to defend the fool.

[premium]

34. I'm defending his RIGHT to have a difference of opinion without

violence being committed on him, just as I would defend your RIGHT without violence being committed upon you, you, however, seem to approve of assaulting someone who's opinion doesn't square with yours.

And you have no idea on whether or not he's armed, I'd bet a month's retirement check that he isn't.

[ellisonz]

39. ...

You're trying way too hard.

[premium]

44. Trying to hard to what?

Defend anyone's right to peacefully protest without fear of being assaulted? Or is it just because this guy has a difference of opinion than you?
Do you agree with Hoyt that someone should assault this guy by pushing him into the fountain just because he happens to have a difference of opinion than yours?

Is it ok to assault those protesting for Trayvon Martin?

Of course not, what's good for one side is good for the other, the 1st Amendment is supposed to apply evenly.

[ellisonz]

46. Clearly, Hoyt is very serious.

P.S. Fuck the Zimmie defenders.

[premium]

47. Judging by his past statements,

It's my opinion that he's dead serious, notice how he hasn't denied it when I asked him?

And I truly hope you don't think I'm defending Zimmerman, not once have I ever defended his actions that night.

[ellisonz]

51. Sure...

[premium]

53. Sure what?

Spell it out.

[ermoore]

83. FWIW . . .

FWIW Premium, I think your posts are intelligent and worth reading. One thing I have noticed that you are good about (and maybe just because it is contrasted by some others doing the opposite) is that you don't just assume that because someone disagrees with you that they are bigots, racists, child molesters, serial killers, scum of the earth, worst-person-ever, etc.

I don't post a whole lot on here (I've been a member since 2002 or 2003), in part because as soon as you disagree with a lot of people (a lot, but not a majority thankfully) they start with the name-calling and assuming that anyone who disagrees with their position must be evil (basically).

Anyways, point is, keep up the good work. Thanks.

A second thing I've noticed: I might need to reign in my use of parentheticals.

[premium]

84. Thank you for the kind words,

it's greatly appreciated.

[customerserviceguy]

74. Well said

It's amazing what this case has turned this place into.

I think one of Quentin Tarentino's motives for making "Inglourious Basterds" was to show that Americans would cheer war crimes if done against the "right" wrong people.

[sad-cafe]

55. almost every post defends that murdering pedo

sad isn't it

[premium]

59. So why don't you post a link

where I'm defending Zimmerman?
The only thing I've ever defended is his right to a fair trial, I've been very consistent in saying that, IMO, he's guilty of Manslaughter.

Either prove otherwise or apologize.

[sad-cafe]

70. I don't need to do either. the record speaks for itself :)

have a great day

[premium]

72. So, IOW, you looked, couldn't find one

and then you come back with this nonsense.
Thanks for playing anyways.

[sad-cafe]

73. nope, didn't even look

thanks

[premium]

80. Oh I get it,

you make a baseless accusation, when called on it, you realize you can't back up your baseless accusation, so you bail.
That about right?
See, here's how it works, you made the accusation, you provide the proof, just like in a trial.

[friendly_iconoclast]

78. "I don't need evidence, I just *know* it's true!"

A "Friend of Sergeant Colon", are you?

"Sergeant Colon had a broad education. He´d been to the school of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."

Jingo, Terry Pratchett

[friendly_iconoclast]

75. You *know* there won't be a link- Colonism abounds in this thread...

"Sergeant Colon had a broad education. He´d been to the school of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me."

Jingo, Terry Pratchett

[friendly_iconoclast]

62. So link to one of those posts, then...

[Bay Boy]

71. Just like in the trial...

...it's up to the accuser to prove it.

[friendly_iconoclast]

77. Colonism (see post #75) requires no evidence.

[Duckwraps]

76. Me too. There are folks here

that want to viciously eliminate any voice that they don't agree with. They would have made good SA members in 1930,s Germany.

[arcane1]

17. That crosses the line from being a demonstrator to being a giant dick.

[MrScorpio]

19. You got that right:

[arcane1]

21. Pure, undiluted dicketry.

Seriously, WTF is wrong with these people?

[MrScorpio]

23. You got me... I have no idea. nt

[polly7]

25. They have dead souls. nt.

[4 more years]

35. Stupid person shows he has no gun

By raising his arms he is showing everyone he has no gun. He learned this from stupid George .

[polly7]

37. uhhh .. what? nt.

[MrScorpio]

38. Huh... What?

What is this?

[ellisonz]

41. Gun on the Brain.

[lumpy]

43. They are bigots and Republicans ? Don't like teenagers ? Stupid ?

Could be all three

[MrScorpio]

16. Good people coming together from all over for justice.

[BlueJazz]

18. The glove do not fit ????

Time at this I think glove there not

(Sorry..Floridian is new to me)

[Hoyt]

31. I gotta a few guesses, and some live in area. I'll post names if they give me a TOS waiver.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

36. I've got my suspicions too. You can send me a PM if you want. n/t

[olddots]

22. dear Mr. Glove Don't FIT

[tavernier]

24. I live in Florida

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who goes grocery shopping with a loaded pistol should be thrown into a looney bin, for that reason alone. Am I the only one who sees this as proof of paranoia and insanity?

[arcane1]

33. You are most definitely not the only one n/t

[Nevernose]

26. Do those dumbfucks not realize that OJ was guilty?

I keep seeing is meme all over the Internets in relation to Zimmerman. Do they not realize that OJ was guilty, and that the only he reason he was found not guilty was the police framed a guilty man and then got caught in the frame-up?

And: that's a whole lot of angry, middle class white folk, waving signs and defending a murderer. And they're scared. They're scared because they look at the other wife's protestors and realize that every year, every televised trial, every set of protests, the all-white racist crowd is a little Breyer and a little smaller in number, and the side demanding justice is a little younger and a little more diverse on the color scale.

[MrScorpio]

28. Don't forget that the DA was undermined by the corrupt LAPD

And OJ's well paid Dream Team exploited the fuck out of that fact to get him off.

[premium]

30. At least the state of Nevada

did what California couldn't do and now Mr. Simpson is a guest of Nevada's Iron Bar Hotel.

[Nevernose]

40. That's even more bullshit

Not bullshit from you, but from Nevada's Eight Judicial. He deserved to go to prison for murder, he didn't, and that's not fair.

He didn't deserve to get a thirty year sentence for robbing his own stuff. He was unarmed and it was a first offense. The career criminals actually carrying guns got off with probation. That's not justice, that's the judicial system getting revenge for the judicial system's own mistake.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to give money for his defense fund or anything, and I'll probably sleep better knowing that entitled lunatics like him are off the street, but it wasn't a fair sentence.

[Nevernose]

45. They planted evidence, for one thing

My favorite bit of "LAPD Acting Like LAPD" was when Mark Fuhrman perjured himself on the stand, about being a racist.

"I'm not a racist, I've never used racist language, I've never used the N word, and I'm offended that you would even ask something of a member of the police force."

Then cue interview with reporter, same voice:

"Yeah, we frame n-s all the time, especially if we know they're guilty but don't have the evidence."

He damned near cut that poor woman's head off, and he walked on the charge because e LAPD got caught just doing what the LAPD does every day.

[MrScorpio]

49. A lot of shit in LA wouldn't had happened...

Had the LAPD been a fair minded and competent professional law enforcement organization, instead of the gaggle of lawless yahoos that they are to this very day.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Well, I'm consistent, here

I would have seen through the lawyering on both sides , used my horse sense, and threw Zimmerman and O J in the same cell...

[bunnies]

52. Maybe thats EXACTLY why he's using that example.

Consider: The black guy got away with it so the white guy should too.

[bunnies]

50. Notice he's referencing a trial involving a black man and a white woman?

Almost like - hey, the black guy got away with it so....

Maybe Im reading too much into it.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

58. He's also referencing a trial that took place 18 years ago.

I don't think you're reading too much into it, the OJ trial and verdict is enough to work some white people into a foaming rage (even though it's been almost two decades since its conclusion). In their view, one black man (maybe) getting away with a crime more than makes up for every instance of African Americans getting railroaded and mistreated by the law and society.

[bunnies]

68. I remember watching that trial.

The LAPD seemingly handed OJ a get out of jail free card. Between the evidence planting and the racism, I think it would have been almost impossible not to have "reasonable doubt".

But youre, right. Youre totally right. Thats exactly the excuse he's using to justify what Zimmerman did to Trayvon. Its thinly veiled racism in a four word sign. What a dickhead.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

82. A good part of it is a sense of pay back.

They don't mention, and probably never think about all of the times a black male has been railroaded by the justice system, and corrupt police departments. It's like a game to these people. A game where they arbitrarily keep score and allow cases like this, and the OJ fiasco to become apart of their cultural identity Also remember, it's not just race, it's also gun nuts who are hoping for an acquittal because this case is essentially putting their pet issues on trial (however, it could be argued that there is a significant overlap when it comes to these two groups).

[bunnies]

85. The gun nut angle...

I hadnt thought of that one. Gods forbid they lose their "right" to shoot whoever the hell they want. Indeed, those are the type of people who think the disproportionate amount of black people in prison is because black people commit most of the crime. Just a quick look at the innocence projects data on DNA exonerations proves how wrong they are and perfectly illustrates your point.

There have been 310 post-conviction DNA exonerations in the United States.

• The first DNA exoneration took place in 1989. Exonerations have been won in 36 states; since 2000, there have been 243 exonerations.

• 18 of the 310 people exonerated through DNA served time on death row. Another 16 were charged with capital crimes but not sentenced to death.

• The average length of time served by exonerees is 13.6 years. The total number of years served is approximately 4,135.

• The average age of exonerees at the time of their wrongful convictions was 27.

Races of the 310 exonerees:

193 African Americans
93 Caucasians
22 Latinos
2 Asian American

[Quixote1818]

54. Sorry to tell him this but we know who pulled the trigger

Zimmerman has to prove he acted in self defense and didn't provoke things.

[premium]

56. Wrong, the burden of proof is on the state

Zimmerman doesn't have to prove it was self defense, the state has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he murdered Tryvon and it wasn't in self defense.

[chillfactor]

60. reasonable doubt not required for manslaughter conviction n/t

[premium]

67. Not quite sure how that works on the lesser included charge,

but I believe that the prosecution still has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he's guilty of Manslaughter, which, IMO, he's guilty of.

[Quixote1818]

65. I understand, I just didn't express my thoughts as well as you did

My main point is that we know who killed Trayvon so this is very different from the OJ Simpson trial. The sign is not a good analogy.

[premium]

69. Got it, thanks.

[Politicalboi]

63. I think he means

Since OJ walked, they should let GZ walk to score one for "whitey". Although I don't think GZ is white. He looks like he's mixed white and hispanic.

[miked62916]

64. I'm with you 100% on that

They make me sick.

[OregonBlue]

79. If a 28 year old buff black guy had followed and killed a 17 year old white kid armed

with a bag of skittles, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. He would be permanently behind bars or lynched.

[ZombieHorde]

81. What is point of the two protests?

Do they think they will influence the outcome of the trial?

[Apophis]

88. There should be no one defending Zimmerman.