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Reuters (which cherry picked two sentences from two paragraphs thus removing the context for those two sentences) :
"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview with the Argentinean paper La Nacion. "The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."
Greenwald's interview (I bolded the parts of Greenwald's replies that Reuters cut out)
(via Google translate)
- Beyond the revelations about the spying system performance in general, what extra information has Snowden?
-Snowden has enough information to cause more damage to the U.S. government in a minute alone than anyone else has ever had in the history of the United States. But that's not his goal. Its objective is to expose software that people around the world use without knowing what they are exposing themselves without consciously agreeing to surrender their rights to privacy. It has a huge number of documents that would be very harmful to the U.S. government if they were made public.
- Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?
It's a possibility, although I do not bring many benefits to anyone at this point. Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.
http://translate.google.com.br/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lanacion.com.ar%2F1600674-glenn-greenwald-snowden-tiene-informacion-para-causar-mas-dano
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Too late
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)from the two original paragraphs.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)The reason you are trying so hard to make it seem rational or appropriate is because IT ISN'T.
"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview with the Argentinean paper La Nacion. "The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)"Snowden has enough information to cause harm to the U.S. government in a single minute than any other person has ever had," Greenwald said in an interview with the Argentinean paper La Nacion. "The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare."
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)on its knees. His word choices are very telling.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Your bolded sentence was part of a response to the question, "- Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?"
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)From the original interview.
- Are you afraid that someone will try to kill him?
It's a possibility, although I do not bring many benefits to anyone at this point. Already distributed thousands of documents and made sure that several people around the world have their entire file. If something were to happen, those documents would be made public. This is your insurance policy. The U.S. government should be on your knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowden, because if something happens, all information will be revealed and that would be their worst nightmare.
What Reuters chose to print:
The U.S. government should be on its knees every day begging that nothing happen to Snowden, because if something does happen to him, all the information will be revealed and it could be its worst nightmare.
allin99
(894 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)to the liability side of the ledger.
Snowden needs a new flack.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)when he's sticking it to the man, and that's what grabs the headlines. By extension, Snowden becomes more invested in wanting to harm the US every time Greenwald opens his mouth. This is not helping him.
AllINeedIsCoffee
(772 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)They did that photoshoppe muy rapido!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Dude, that's genus.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And people wonder why Snowden would fear being assassinated and use insurance to stay alive.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)That makes it out like Greenwald is making a threat. Why would Reuters do that, apart from poisoning the minds of the public to Greenwald?
Thank you for sticking up for the truth, Luminous Animal. Seems to be a foreign concept these days.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'd like to hear what Greenwald actually said. I'd also like to hear what the interviewers asked.
Going from what's been reported, it's clear that Greenwald's words were mistranslated and taken out of context to make his statement into a "threat" against the United States.
About the Reuters article
The latest effort to distract attention from the NSA revelations is more absurd than most
by Glenn Greenwald
The Guardian, July 13, 2013
EXCERPT...
My point in this interview was clear, one I've repeated over and over: had he wanted to harm the US government, he easily could have, but hasn't, as evidenced by the fact that - as I said - he has all sorts of documents that could inflict serious harm to the US government's programs. That demonstrates how irrational is the claim that his intent is to harm the US. His intent is to shine a light on these programs so they can be democratically debated. That's why none of the disclosures we've published can be remotely described as harming US national security: all they've harmed are the reputation and credibility of US officials who did these things and then lied about them.
SOURCE: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch
Going by what got printed and what was reported are two different things.
BTW: Don't worry, I speak Spanish so I'll try and be mindful of idioms and such.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)by Alberto Armendariz, The Nation, Saturday, July 13, 2013
RIO DE JANEIRO -- Appearances deceive. With his striped swimsuit, white flip-flops, jean shirt and a great backpack, Glenn Greenwald looks likt a tourist walking along the Sao Conrado in Rio de Janeiro. But he's a trader, a journalist, blogger and columnist for the British daily, The Guardian who surprised the world with the revelations about the extensive computer spy network of the United States, filtered by Edwdard Snowden, the ex-intelligence analyst of the National Security Agency (NSA).
"Snowden has enough information with which to cause more damage to the government of the United States in one single minute by himself than any other person has had in the entire history of the United States," Greenwald, 46, affirmed to The Nation, and who, from these latitudes, writes regularly on the issues of international security that have made him into a celebrity, the winner of various distinguished awards.
Today, this New Yorker, ex-lawyer, is in the eye of the storm. Legislators in Washington want to bring him to trial; spies of various nations look to obtain the secret information that Snowden shared with him, the heaviest, in Hong Kong and that he continues sending from Moscow via a system of encrypted electonic mail. He knows that he's being surveilled and that his conversations are monitored. This includes the theft of his laptop from his boyfriend, from their own home.
Three men wait in the lobby of the hotel Royal Tulip with credentials from a symposium on osteoporosis, a meeting of which the (hotel) concierge has no idea. Are they really doctors or are they following Greenwald? Appearances deceive.
Q: Share with us about Snowden's decision to stay in Russian while awaiting to come to Latin America?
Yes, the most important thing is not to end up in the custody of the United States, whose government has demonstrated to be extremely vengeful in punishing those who reveal inconvenient truth, and whose judicial system can't be trusted when it treats people accused of putting the nation's security at risk; the judges do all tehy can to secure convictions in those cases. He would be imprisoned immediately to pt a stop on debate he helped start, and he'd finish the rest of his days behind bars.
Q: Has Russia guaranteed his security?
There aren't many countries on planet earth that have the capacity and the desire to challenge the demands of the United States. However, Russia is one of those states and has treated him well up to now.
Q: Beyond the revelations about the functioning of the spy system in general, what additional information does Snowden have?
Snowden has enough information with which to cause more damage to the government of the United States in one single minute by himself than any other person has had in the entire history of the United States. But that is not his objective. His objective is to reveal computer programs that persons around the whole world use without knowing that they are being watched and without having consciously agreed to giving up their right to privacy. He has an enormous quantity of documents that would be most damaging to the government of the United States shoudl they be made public.
Q: Is he afraid someone will try to kill him?
That is a possibility, although I do not think that would be of much benefit to anyone at this point. He's distributed thousands of documents and has ensured that various people around the world has his complete archive. Should something happent to him, those documents would be made public. That's his insurance police. The government of the United States should be on its knees every day praying that nothing happens to Snowde, because if something should happen to him, all the informatjion would be revealed and that would make for their worst nightmare.
Q: Could Latin America provide a good place of refuge for Snowden?
Only certain countries, such as various countries in Latin American, China and Russia, have challenged the United States, they have noticed that the United States no longer is in a position of power that it previously had before the rest of the world, and that the rest of the nations no longer have to obey its demands as if they were under imperial orders. In Latin America there is a natural affinity for the United States, but at the same time there is a great resentment for specific historic policies made from Washington for the region. What happened with the aircraft carryign Evo Morales from Europe provoked a very strong reaction, it was as if Bolivia were treated as a colony and not as a sovereign state.
Q: Of the documents Snowden shared with you, is there much more information relating to Latin America?
Yes. For each nation that has an advanced system of communications, which is the case from Mexico to Argentina, there are documents that detail how the United States picks up information from the flow, the program that are used to capture the transmissions, the amount of information intercepted that are accomplished each day, and much more. One form of intercepting communications is through a United States telecommunications company that has contracts with most of the nations in Latin America. The important thing will be to see what is the reaction of the different governments. I don't believe the governments of Mexico and Colombia will do much in this regard. Perhaps, however, the governments of Argentina and Venezuela will be inclined to take concrete actions.
Translated by Octafish -- Sorry if there are any mistakes. Please let me know and I'll correct.
SOURCE: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1600674-glenn-greenwald-snowden-tiene-informacion-para-causar-mas-dano
GOT some help from: http://www.spanishdict.com/translation
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It took me a lot longer than I thought it would. Arthritis...
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...Three men wait in the lobby of the hotel Royal Tulip with credentials from a symposium on osteoporosis, a meeting of which the (hotel) concierge has no idea. Are they really doctors or are they following Greenwald? Appearances deceive.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's not the same.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)It's like they're being tested for loyalty or something.
The Outer Party fulfilling their duty during the Two Minutes Hate.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)carolinayellowdog
(3,247 posts)it's like the propaganda hits just keep on coming, but DUers keep debunking them-- great work!
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)But because Obama is, even though his administration's trashing of our constitutional rights is more egregious than Bush's, Greenwald must be trashed in order to protect him. The blantant, utter, screaming hypocrisy sickens and disgusts me.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Every American should be chilled at the breadth and depth of the smear machine against Snowden, how rapidly it was mobilized, and how pervasive and minutely targeted it is across the internet. This is how authoritarian systems work, and it is creepy as hell.
Governments and corporations that build surveillance infrastructures also build propaganda infrastructures.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)to help expose government overreach and tyranny. Our free press is protected in the very first amendment to the US Constitution, precisely because it was and is considered critical to the health of our democracy.
Under corporate rule, as under any type of authoritarian rule, journalists instead become lapdogs to power, dutifully reporting what the government wants them to report.
This administration is not just waging a war on whistleblowers; it is also waging a war against investigative journalism, and it has already, outrageously, attempted to criminalize what, by definition, investigative journalists do. The backlash was so severe and immediate that they are now backtracking. You, along with other reliable apologists for everything corporate and authoritarian coming out of this administration, defended these outrageous actions that the administration is now walking back.
Governments that turn authoritarian *always* attack a free press, especially a free press that is already exposing egregious abuses of power.
Governments that turn authoritarian and attack the free press also invariably create a propaganda machine to smear and vilify the journalists they so despise.
Your drumbeat of pithy snark, smears, and distractions is utterly irrelevant here. What is relevant is that the government of the United States of America continues to engage in mass surveillance directed against its own people.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)no machine necessary
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)deployed with the intent of smearing Snowden and distracting from the real issue here:
The government of the United States of America is engaged in mass spying and surveillance, directed against its own citizens.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)hacks were still active and which ones had been discontinued. that is a serious violation of the law and a betrayal of his country. he did it with the whole world watching. the evidence is found in his very public actions.
Edward Snowden: Classified US data shows Hong Kong hacking targets
Top-secret US government records shown to Post by whistle-blower give details of computer IP addresses hacked by NSA in HK and mainland
The detailed records - which cannot be independently verified - show specific dates and the IP addresses of computers in Hong Kong and on the mainland hacked by the National Security Agency over a four-year period. They also include information indicating whether an attack on a computer was ongoing or had been completed, along with an amount of additional operational information.
The small sample data suggests secret and illegal NSA attacks on Hong Kong computers had a success rate of more than 75 per cent, according to the documents. The information only pertains to attacks on civilian computers with no reference to Chinese military operations, Snowden said.
"I don't know what specific information they were looking for on these machines, only that using technical exploits to gain unauthorised access to civilian machines is a violation of law. It's ethically dubious," Snowden said in the interview on Wednesday.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2013/06/14/edward_snowden_reveals_details_of_hong_kong_and_china_nsa_hacking.html
Snowden revealed to a foreign government how the US spies on them. That is the very definition of betrayal.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)in attempting to make this all about "Bad, Bad Snowden" instead of the outrageous, unconstitutional mass surveillance of its own citizens by the United States of America.
By the way, that's Talking Point #13 on PSPS's excellent list.
It's a hoot how the very same people who pooh pooh the US government's mass surveillance of every single American citizen by claiming that "everyone knew," and "it's old news," do not hesitate to exclaim with breathless urgency that telling the Chinese that the American government has spied on them is in any way a surprise or by any stretch of the imagination a critical breach of national security.
It's absurd, is what it is. To qualify as espionage under the law, the information provided must be shown to be damaging to the country. There's no evidence whatsoever that what Snowden chose carefully to give rises to that bar. He exposed illegal behavior by the US.
Meanwhile, the United States of America, the beacon of freedom and democracy to the world, has assembled a surveillance architecture whose capabilities surpass that of any totalitarian government in history, and they are sweeping up data in real time, from every single American citizen.
Snowden is a hero. Every single whistleblower before him who tried to use official channels to report this authoritarian nightmare was summarily silenced by our own government. Whereas Daniel Ellsberg was released on bond the same day he was arrested for revealing the Pentagon Papers, Snowden knew that he, like other whistleblowers, would face swift and fierce retribution from the US government today, including imprisonment, solitary confinement, or even torture. This is how far the United States government has fallen, how authoritarian it has become, and how deeply, deeply corrupted.
We are lucky that Snowden learned from the mistakes of previous whistleblowers and has taken steps to protect himself and ensure that the truth about what our government is doing to us reaches the American people.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Because of his actions, Americans have a real opportunity, finally, to halt the insidious transformation of our government under corporate neoliberals and neoconservatives into a corporate authoritarian state.
He deserves a fucking statue on the Mall.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)he made sure that we got the information. He exposed from the shadows for every single American the unconscionable abuse of power, violation of privacy, and trashing of the US Constitution that is metastasizing under bipartisan corporate rule.
The corporate government of the United States of America, in brazen violation of the US Constitution, is spying on its own citizens, en masse.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)and offered up the a IP addresses of the CIVILIAN computers. That is, he exposed illegal behavior committed by our government.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Take the actions involving Tsinghua University. There are many reasons the N.S.A. would be interested in communications and computer activities at this Beijing-based school. For example, beginning in the past decade or so, university programs on arms control have played an important role in the Chinese governments efforts to administer export controls on sensitive items. (For those wishing to know more, this is well detailed in a book published by the Rand Corporation called Chasing the Dragon: Assessing Chinas System of Export Controls for WMD-Related Goods and Technologies.) Now, perhaps the most prominent university program in China on arms control is atyou guessed itTsinghua University. So, do you think there might be a reason why the N.S.A. would want to know about any communications on arms control that might take place between the Chinese government and Tsinghua?
The importance of China in global arms-control issues is hard to understate, even in American negotiations with Russia over proposals on nuclear-arms reduction. As Richard Weitz, a senior fellow and director of the Center for Political-Military Affairs at Hudson Institute, wrote last year:
Chinas continued absence from strategic nuclear arms control negotiations is already impeding U.S.-Russian progress in this area. Beijing has traditionally resisted participating in formal nuclear arms control agreements. . . . Whereas U.S. officials want the next major nuclear arms reduction agreement to include only Russia and the United States, Russian negotiators want China and other nuclear weapons states to participate. In particular, Russian representatives insist they cannot reduce their major holdings of nonstrategic, or tactical, nuclear weapons without considering Chinas growing military potential. Involving China in certain U.S.-Russian arms control processes could facilitate progress between Moscow and Washington in these areas and yield ancillary benefits for related issues.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/eichenwald/2013/06/errors-edward-snowden-global-hypocrisy-tour
Cleita
(75,480 posts)family and neighbors about other things. I will continue with my translation because I need to know for myself. But thank you for clearing up what I thought was some bias that seemed to be there.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)The US has a lot of enemies and now they know one of the easiest ways to harm the US would be to kill Mr. Snowden. Like so much of this, it seems poorly thought out on his part.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Greenwald is just covering his ass after being exposed: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023244823
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)BenzoDia
(1,010 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)In fact, ignored that fact.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)in order to do it.
He really doesn't think these things through very well.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)There is no guaranty that anyone is safe.