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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 08:01 AM Jul 2013

How Obama Is Expanding the Century-Long Project to Build a Total Surveillance State

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/how-obama-expanding-century-long-project-build-total-surveillance-state



The American surveillance state is now an omnipresent reality, but its deep history is little known and its future little grasped. Edward Snowden’s leaked documents reveal that, in a post-9/11 state of war, the National Security Agency (NSA) was able to create a surveillance system that could secretly monitor the private communications of almost every American in the name of fighting foreign terrorists. The technology used is state of the art; the impulse, it turns out, is nothing new. For well over a century, what might be called “surveillance blowback” from America’s wars has ensured the creation of an ever more massive and omnipresent internal security and surveillance apparatus. Its future (though not ours) looks bright indeed.

In 1898, Washington occupied the Philippines and in the years that followed pacified its rebellious people, in part by fashioning the world’s first full-scale “surveillance state” in a colonial land. The illiberal lessons learned there then migrated homeward, providing the basis for constructing America’s earliest internal security and surveillance apparatus during World War I. A half-century later, as protests mounted during the Vietnam War, the FBI, building on the foundations of that old security structure, launched large-scale illegal counterintelligence operations to harass antiwar activists, while President Richard Nixon’s White House created its own surveillance apparatus to target its domestic enemies.

In the aftermath of those wars, however, reformers pushed back against secret surveillance. Republican privacy advocates abolished much of President Woodrow Wilson’s security apparatus during the 1920s, and Democratic liberals in Congress created the FISA courts in the 1970s in an attempt to prevent any recurrence of President Nixon’s illegal domestic wiretapping.

Today, as Washington withdraws troops from the Greater Middle East, a sophisticated intelligence apparatus built for the pacification of Afghanistan and Iraq has come home to help create a twenty-first century surveillance state of unprecedented scope. But the past pattern that once checked the rise of a U.S. surveillance state seems to be breaking down. Despite talk about ending the war on terror one day, President Obama has left the historic pattern of partisan reforms far behind. In what has become a permanent state of “wartime” at home, the Obama administration is building upon the surveillance systems created in the Bush years to maintain U.S. global dominion in peace or war through a strategic, ever-widening edge in information control. The White House shows no sign -- nor does Congress -- of cutting back on construction of a powerful, global Panopticon that can surveil domestic dissidents, track terrorists, manipulate allied nations, monitor rival powers, counter hostile cyber strikes, launch preemptive cyberattacks, and protect domestic communications.
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How Obama Is Expanding the Century-Long Project to Build a Total Surveillance State (Original Post) xchrom Jul 2013 OP
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #1
Obama has cut back rather than expanded on programs begun post 9/11 under Bush. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #2
What about those of pre 9/11, started by bu$h? RC Jul 2013 #4
It has cut back rather than expanded the surveillance carried out by Bush. pnwmom Jul 2013 #5
Cut back or shifted and combined? RC Jul 2013 #8
Is "cut back" LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #15
Yeah, cut back...why is everyone talking about "more" then? Pholus Jul 2013 #7
Because the summer is a slow period for news. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #14
Yes. More "nothing to see here" so move along. Pholus Jul 2013 #16
I was very excited to learn about a secret court that was JoePhilly Jul 2013 #17
Huh. Too bad my links weren't about that. Pholus Jul 2013 #19
provide evidence for that claim. cali Jul 2013 #10
Shhhh. "Obama has cut back" doesn't sound dreadful. great white snark Jul 2013 #12
Posted without a shred of proof n/t n2doc Jul 2013 #21
k/r marmar Jul 2013 #3
I don't think I would mind so much if there were benefits. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #6
Hell, all domestic communications should be free at this point. Pholus Jul 2013 #11
So true. They're stealing our intellectual property. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #20
K&R Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #9
Simple test. westerebus Jul 2013 #13
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #18
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #22
K&R! They won't cut back on the surveillance apparatus Enthusiast Jul 2013 #23
 

RC

(25,592 posts)
4. What about those of pre 9/11, started by bu$h?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:04 AM
Jul 2013

Why has the surveillance state continuing to expand if Obama has cut back those programs?

pnwmom

(108,995 posts)
5. It has cut back rather than expanded the surveillance carried out by Bush.
Reply to RC (Reply #4)
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:06 AM
Jul 2013

Obama dropped at least one whole program in 2011 and cut back on another.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
8. Cut back or shifted and combined?
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:14 AM
Jul 2013

What of this massive data center in Utah, that just opened?

The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)
By James Bamford
03.15.12
7:24 PM
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/


Utah Data Center
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

Utah Data Center
http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/


NSA's Utah Home Is A 1.5 Million Square Foot 'Spy Center'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/13/nsa-utah_n_3434175.html


There is much more to show expanded massively.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
17. I was very excited to learn about a secret court that was
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jul 2013

created in 1978.

Same for laws passed before 2006.

And a data center that was announced in 2009.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
19. Huh. Too bad my links weren't about that.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:46 AM
Jul 2013

Markey's disclosures about prices paid for data were from 2012.

The video surveillance thing was post Boston Bombings -- 2013.

The drone story was from 2012.

The lobbying story from 2013.

The budget story was from 2012.

You seem to have problems with numbers at times. Let me help you.

2012 > 1978
2012 > 2006
2012 > 2009
2013 > 2012


great white snark

(2,646 posts)
12. Shhhh. "Obama has cut back" doesn't sound dreadful.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:16 AM
Jul 2013

And it certainly isn't an excuse to use the Rand/Ron Paul worthy "big brother is watching" pic.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
6. I don't think I would mind so much if there were benefits.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:09 AM
Jul 2013

For example, no one should ever have to pay to replace a lost cellphone. The NSA should be able to lock in and find the cellphone on request. That also goes for kidnapped victims. The NSA should have a department to help police track down missing persons.

That also goes with helping them identify public corruption. Secret meetings and deals that they hear about should be forwarded to the right law enforcement agencies.

But there are no benefits, are there? None at all. Because there is so much information out there that the only practical purpose is to use it forensically.

Pholus

(4,062 posts)
11. Hell, all domestic communications should be free at this point.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:15 AM
Jul 2013

Instead of another form of corporate welfare:

We pay the telcoms for access.

The government pays telcoms for access to us.

Seems the money all flows one way....why not cut out the middleman and nationalize it.

westerebus

(2,976 posts)
13. Simple test.
Mon Jul 15, 2013, 09:25 AM
Jul 2013

Can a half a $ trillion program kill the inter-tube's spam and if not, can it keep your ID safe?

No.

So why are we spending the money?

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. K&R! They won't cut back on the surveillance apparatus
Tue Jul 16, 2013, 05:38 AM
Jul 2013

because it serves the corporate state.

And not just surveillance. The propaganda apparatus is equally powerful, again, serving only the corporate state usually against the interests of working class Americans.

This is simply undeniable. Well, employees of the propaganda mechanism can deny it.

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