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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:42 AM Jul 2013

Conservatives Move To Trying To Trick Lower Income People Out Of Health Care

I said it repeatedly during the battles over health care reform and I’ll say it again: Most of the paranoia and hysteria coming from the right over Obamacare (they’ll regret naming it after him when the exchanges plus subsidies become one of the most popular government programs running 10 years hence) boils down to one of the most base emotions on the right: The fear and disgust that boils up when they fear they will have to share something with lower class people. I’ve dubbed it the “waiting room problem”: conservatives are deeply, unshakably afraid that once the uninsured start getting insurance, they’ll have to sit next to them in doctors’ waiting rooms, and that’s what they don’t want to happen.

You may laugh, but if you think about it, this fear of having to share spaces with “others” who have less money than they do—and who may be, gasp, different than they are—drives a whole shitload of conservative policy preferences and hang-ups. The hostility towards any attempt to improve public transportation is expressing a direct preference for unmanageable traffic over having to sit on a train or a bus with poor people (even though no one actually makes you use public transportation, but I guess the mere temptation of using the train is so serious that the rest of us have to give access). Hatred of immigrants and the ugly hostility towards cities? Same thing. There’s a tendency on the right to see lower income people as inherently contaminating, as if their very presence degrades everything around them by the force of magic or something. Witness George Will blaming “culture”—which is a conservative code word for the presence of lower income people and definitely for lower income people of color—for the problems Detroit is facing. Pay special attention to his freak-out over reading and literacy rates.

... All these problems have solutions, usually involving investment in communities and investment in decent paying jobs, but Will seems rock solid certain that it’s the poor people themselves that are the problem, that their mere presence is a contaminant that spreads—people themselves are viewed as the problem to be avoided or contained, instead of as people who have problems, such as lack of health care, that need to be fixed.

On the contrary, to the conservative mind, the last thing you want to do is help fix people’s problems, because the fixes usually involve creating situations where various classes of people have more contact. That’s how conservative thinking goes: If working class people have insurance, they’ll go to the doctor. It might be my doctor and then their very presence will ruin everything!

...

This one guy decided to protest a line of people waiting for a flu shot, if you want a general idea of what emotionally compels the right.



While this asshole would like you to believe the “problem” is letting everyone access health care, the real problem was that the H1N1 vaccine had just come out, so of course there was a mad rush to get it. In real life, most health care situations do not have everyone at once trying to get care. But this is the narrative that conservatives are humping: If lower income people are allowed in the system, then they’re going to DESTROY EVERYTHING!!!11!!11!!1!1!!! So they’re using every underhanded trick they can in hopes of keeping people out.

Yeah, it’s ugly. I don’t know what else to say. It should make you angry. It’s infuriating.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/31/conservatives-move-to-trying-to-trick-lower-income-people-out-of-health-care/
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Conservatives Move To Trying To Trick Lower Income People Out Of Health Care (Original Post) phantom power Jul 2013 OP
Here's a website where people can BEG for help with medical expenses. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #1
I used to think conservatives didn't realize... phantom power Jul 2013 #2
Yes, it does seem like they WANT people to suffer and have to beg. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #5
I support my dissabled wife and myself on 15k a year. I'll wait to see what happens with ACA. L0oniX Jul 2013 #3
I think the ACA is a crappy substitute for Universal Medicare for All... phantom power Jul 2013 #4
Have you flt rsk Jul 2013 #6
Over 2 years to get to a SSD verdict. Turned down automatically. n/t L0oniX Jul 2013 #7

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
1. Here's a website where people can BEG for help with medical expenses.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:56 AM
Jul 2013
http://www.giveforward.com/
This is the conservative vision for how ordinary people should be covered for medical expenses.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
2. I used to think conservatives didn't realize...
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jul 2013

their ideas would return us to Gilded Age, but in reality they seem to have some kind of desire for that. Like it was romantic and all Normal Rockwell-esque when the poor lived at the mercy of the rich philanthropists.

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
5. Yes, it does seem like they WANT people to suffer and have to beg.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:15 PM
Jul 2013

I haven't heard the term "compassionate conservative" in years. They've even given up that pretense.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
3. I support my dissabled wife and myself on 15k a year. I'll wait to see what happens with ACA.
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jul 2013

I can't pay out anymore for anything ...not even a fine ...for not being able to pay for an ACA health care plan. So far ...I am sceptical and I do not believe this is going to be good for my wife and myself. My only hope is to make it to 66. My wife had a much longer wait for Medicare. Even then I wonder about paying the Medicare premium and for meds. All these benefits are useless with having enough money.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
4. I think the ACA is a crappy substitute for Universal Medicare for All...
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 12:07 PM
Jul 2013

but it will help some people, and of course conservatives don't want that either. They just don't want the govt involved in helping anybody, for anything. Unless it involves endless war or putting people in privatized prisons.

flt rsk

(92 posts)
6. Have you
Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:19 PM
Jul 2013

applied for SSI for your wife? It appears that your annual income is just slightly above the poverty level. After deductions and allowances and the extent of her disability, she may be eligible for benefits. Probably less than she deserves but everything helps. She could possibly even get Medicare. It will not hurt to try. It takes some time, some paper work and probably some humiliation. You can check it out and even start the process online at SSA.gov. If you are denied for something that you think is wrong or a mistake, file an appeal and talk to your congressman.

Good Luck

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