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Judge Mark A. Ciavarella, 63, serves as an example of why the private prison industry can do more harm than good. Ciavarella worked alongside owners of private juvenile facilities to ensure that the prison remained occupied. The more prisoners equated to more profits for the owners of the prison.
As a result, Ciavarella would sentence offenders with small offenses to months and, at times, years behind bars. He once sentenced a teen to three months in jail for creating a MySpace page that mocked her schools assistant principal. Ciavarella also sentenced another teen to 90 days in jail after a simple schoolyard fight.
But after a federal investigation, it was discovered that Ciavarella and his colleague, Judge Michael Conahan, received more than $2.6 million from privately run youth centers owned by PA Child Care. In 2011, Ciavarella was convicted of racketeering and sentenced to 28 years in prison. He was also forced to pay $1 million in restitution.
Once Ciavarella was convicted, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court tossed out 4,000 convictions issued by the judge.
Ciavarella appealed to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia to have his 28-year sentence overturned. On July 25, the court denied his request.
Ciavarellas attorneys may attempt to appeal the case before the U.S. Supreme Court.
http://rollingout.com/criminal-behavior/judge-must-serve-28-years-after-making-2-million-for-sending-children-to-jail/
Edit: The headline in this article is copied and pasted from the headline in rollingout.com. Nothing has been changed or added. The entire article is as it appears in rollingout.com.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,711 posts)He deserves that sentence, every minute of it. He'll probably do his time in a minimum-security prison, but I'd rather see him breaking rocks or making license plates. Asshole.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts).....plus 1000 years. It's like a bad "B" movie.
PorridgeGun
(80 posts)Considering the malevolence of his actions and the sort of sentences handed down for far less by federal courts, he should never see the other side of the prison wall again.
Reading the story brought to mind the Lorenzo Carcaterra book Sleepers. I wonder if any of those now grown kids he sent down to pad his pockets will still be willing to look him up if he is released? You know, just to say hello.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)It's curious that he paid just $1M in restitution after scoring $2M for his criminal scheme.
left is right
(1,665 posts)is there any movement towards expunging these kids records now that the judge has been found guilty? I know that it is too much to hope that the for-profit prisons be shut down.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 1, 2013, 01:00 AM - Edit history (1)
according to the article. I haven't heard about the disposition of the cases from the other judge who was involved. I hope "thrown out" means expunged.
ETA: "In 2009, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court vacated the adjudications of all youth who appeared before Ciavarella between 2003-2008, dismissed their cases with prejudice and ordered all of their records expunged."
The Juvenile Law Center and others filed "a federal class action lawsuit on behalf of the children and parents who suffered emotional trauma and financial loss as a consequence of the corruption scheme. The suit seeks monetary damages from the former judges, private facilities, the former co-owner of the facilities and the developer."
http://www.jlc.org/current-initiatives/promoting-fairness-courts/luzerne-kids-cash-scandal
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Spend the rest of your life there, you miserable cretin.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 1, 2013, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)
a well-deserved life sentence to me.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)you'll see that Rolling Out is about black culture.
Igel
(35,317 posts)I can't find anything about a racial breakdown of the kids this judge sentenced.
I can find that Wilkes-Barre's about 11% black, but the county as a whole is <4% black.
If there's a racial disparity, it would really stick out--and be news. But it's not.
I'm sure that there were at least two black kids that the judge sentenced so the title isn't false. Just misleading. We assume that 'black" is somehow relevant to the news story and not just to pretty much the only thing important to the site.
If somebody asks to borrow $10 for food and you say, 'Sorry, I have a dollar" the assumption that shows good will is that you only have a dollar. If you have $1 and that's it, no confusion. But if you have $20 then you'll be taken to be lying. Strictly speaking you're not--but you're showing ill will. It's a kind of discrete duplicity. it uses the usual rules of conversation to mislead, instead of misleading with out-and-out falsehoods.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)I tried to find a mainstream source that supported the "black kid" angle but was unable to.
I fully intended to help you by supplying your detractors with a link to a mainstream source with the official racial breakdown. I couldn't find one.
Unknown Beatle,... do you know if there is any official reference to the racial breakdown of the child victims?
By pointing to the "black culture" of Rolling Out, are you suggesting that they would have a black bias in a situation where there was no racial disparity?...
TYY
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)from rollingout.com. Nothing more, nothing less.
No, I'm not saying they have a racial bias, but it is a black culture site.
As a matter of fact, I copied and pasted the entire article. I don't see how anyone can accuse me of anything if they just clicked on the link and found that the whole thing was c&p.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)system is corrupt.
I hope he enjoys his time in prison.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)In this case, a couple of judges and the courts were the tools.
Corporate Feudalism that purchases the legal system in order to make money, human lives be damned.
Not evil. Just supremely indifferent to human beings. Profits over all.
Libertarian Paradise.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Piss on him. Let him die behind bars. He deserves it.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)time isn't long enough
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Unfortunately, that episode was based on another judge who pulled this same shit back in 2008.
whopis01
(3,514 posts)He plead guilty as part of a plea deal in 2009 but the deal was voided and he was convicted in 2011.
There was another judge at the time, Michael Conahan, who was doing the same thing in conjunction with this guy.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Derp, should've remembered that.
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)I agree, he needs to die behind bars.
OnlinePoker
(5,720 posts)He ended up shooting himself at 23. There's no justice for the lives destroyed as a result of this asshole.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1359154/Cash-kids-judge-took-1m-kickback-private-jail-builder-lock-children-up.html
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)There's no justice for the lives destroyed as a result of this asshole.
This is true. There is nothing that could be done to this ex-judge that would allow justice to exist.
Baitball Blogger
(46,715 posts)rurallib
(62,416 posts)dying in prison in poverty is what he deserves.
And oddly, I do not feel sorry for his family. He inflicted the damage on them.
PorridgeGun
(80 posts)Its my suspicion, tho I have no evidence, that at best they were merely silently complicit, and at worst knew exactly what was going on and that they were benefiting directly, in many ways, from daddys shenanigans.
If the latter could be proven to the standards of evidence in civil court, my judgement would direct that they each be allotted one savings account with basic living expenses paid in yearly. The rest, everything, including homes and cars, gets auctioned off and the profits used to set up a charity fund for the victims of this evil little scrounger.
To remedy their lack of employability there would also be a great deal of community service work in their future, 'tho I guess there are good reasons for preventing civil courts from handing out those sorts of punishments.
pscot
(21,024 posts)these judges to the tune of $2.3mil? Are the operators in jail also?
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and cooperated in the prosecution of the 2 judges.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)No way were one of those scumbag prison owners going to have to stay in one of their own prisons.
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)Or just don't do it for the money?
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)This particular case was so brazen the judge got busted. But our so-called justice system has never been fair, with race and class being the main factor.
The exceptional thing here is that the judge got busted. That's it. People who are shocked by this sort of thing are not paying attention.
The school to prison pipeline, the new Jim Crow.
malaise
(269,013 posts)Send them all to prison
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)newcriminal
(2,190 posts)Most of the kids are white, not a racist asshole, just a greedy bastard.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)from rollingout.com and didn't realize until now that what you wrote was the case. In any event, he's still an asshole.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)He did this to all the juveniles who came before his court. All the records were overturned including some that were legitimate. This is an old story here in the county where it happened.
JPZenger
(6,819 posts)Most of the victims were unsophisticated white people who did not think they needed a lawyer. In fact, most were specifically told by court officials that they did not need an attorney.
All of the victims I have seen featured have been white.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)I've been reading about PA's children in the juvenile justice system for years, and I honestly don't think anyone cared enough to do anything about it.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)agreed
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)I don't think he should get away with any less than that. I suspect the cumulative total is over 28 years.
Treant
(1,968 posts)the average sentence given was only 1 month, vacating 4,000 sentences means there are questions on all of them and I'm disinclined to give him much of a benefit of the doubt.
Let's just say that 2,000 of those were completely undeserved sentences for argument's sake. 2,000 months is 166.7 years.
A 165 year sentence sounds fair to me!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)As of the 2010 census, the county was 90.7% White, 3.4% Black or African American, 0.2% Native American, 1.0% Asian, 3.3% were of some other race, and 1.5% were two or more races. 6.7% of the population was of Hispanic or Latino ancestry. Population was 321,000. (Wikipedia)
The PA. Supreme Court overturned more than 4,000 convictions of children. I have not been able to find any report on the racial makeup of the kids. Specific examples I came across were all white kids.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)olddots
(10,237 posts)run Mark run --see mark run .
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Fucker.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)were the ones whose lives he helped wreck over his career.
MerryBlooms
(11,769 posts)Taitertots
(7,745 posts)Or any of the first few Google results.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)and read the headline.
All I did was copy and paste.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)To exploit these kids to try to make some bait to cast is disgusting on the part of your source and yourself. This is my opinion because of the facts. Facts that are easy to find.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Because now a few are just going to pitch a stinking holy fit about it. It's an outrage.
I think a clue that it was actually white kids is the fact that this judge is getting 28 years. That should be assuaging their sense of outrage a bit, you'd think.
Taitertots
(7,745 posts)I understand that is the title, because I read the article before I made my original post.
I don't understand why you made it the title of your post when it is misleading. Your title is misleading and it seems that your reason is that other people were being misleading first.
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)in the worst private prison in America, where ever that is.
Lugnut
(9,791 posts)He's in Federal prison but I don't know which one.
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)All whores.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The piece of shit probably thinks he's got a shot at getting his conviction reversed by a right-wing Supreme Court because of the hate on the Right for Michael Moore. Maybe even thinking he can make it so what he did was perfectly legal in the name of the Sacred American Tradition of making a buck.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)alp227
(32,025 posts)matthews
(497 posts)There were two (2) judges and total take was about 2.6 million, they were sentenced in 2011 and Ciavarella appealed, and if you look at the picture of one of the victims of these guys, you'll plainly see that she is not black. They were removed from the bench in 2009.
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updated 2/11/2009 8:56:36 PM ET
Prosecutors say Luzerne County Judges Mark Ciavarella and Michael Conahan took $2.6 million in payoffs to put juvenile offenders in lockups run by PA Child Care LLC and a sister company, Western PA Child Care LLC. The judges were charged on Jan. 26 and removed from the bench by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court shortly afterward.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/pa-judges-accused-jailing-kids-cash/#.Ufmf143VDpU
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THE OTHER JUDGE was sentenced to 17-1/2 years in 2011.
Ex-Luzerne County judge sentenced to 17 1/2 years in jail
September 24, 2011
In entering a guilty plea last year, Conahan admitted he and the county's juvenile court judge, Mark A. Ciavarella Jr., were paid $2.8 million by Powell and the builder of the center, Robert K. Mericle, who was a close friend of Ciavarella.
Conahan's apologetic court appearance Friday stood in striking contrast to that of Ciavarella, who roundly criticized prosecutors and a key prosecution witness at his sentencing last month and continued to deny a "kids-for-cash" conspiracy. Ciavarella, who was sentenced to 28 years on 12 counts by Kosik, is pursuing an appeal.
http://republicanherald.com/news/ex-luzerne-county-judge-sentenced-to-17-1-2-years-in-jail-1.1208448
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)jessie04
(1,528 posts)nt
frylock
(34,825 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Rather than a slight chance. People live to 91 all the time and with good behavior you can discount that a third or more.
That is why I said MULTIPLE life sentences. I think misconduct of this sort should be dealt with more harshly than murder one. If I believed in the death penalty then I'd call for that.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)destroying YOUNG PEOPLE for money. For a better car or a nicer vacation.
adieu
(1,009 posts)There's a shiv with his name on it and it will be used before the 5th year. He'll be brought out of prison, feet first.
plunati43
(13 posts)This was a Federal case. 28 years sentence on a Federal case means 2/3 minimum = 18 1/2 years before parole.
adieu
(1,009 posts)Read it all and see if you might agree.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)piece of shit, he isn't alone in this.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)After all, the judge got $2 million from some scumbag or another to send PA Child Care some business. There is no mention of them in the article.
Excuse me for sounding cynical, but am I justified in not assuming that they are going to prison, too?
Marr
(20,317 posts)Lugnut
(9,791 posts)He plead guilty for being an accessory to tax conspiracy. He cooperated with prosecutors and pretty much spilled the beans on a lot of the corruption that was taking place in Luzerne County. He was incarcerated in a Federal prison camp and was released from a halfway house in April. He has not yet been sentenced for the failure to report a felony because he's a witness in the trial of Ray Musto, a retired Federal representative. That trial has been delayed because of Musto's poor health. Musto might never get to trial because he's in his mid-80s.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)He's getting a break for spilling, but that's OK. The prosecutors have to get their information from somebody.
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts).
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Ciavarella
Ciavarella pleaded guilty on February 13, 2009, pursuant to a plea agreement, to federal charges of honest services fraud, wire fraud and tax evasion in connection with receiving $2.6 million in kickbacks from Robert Powell and Robert Mericle, the co-owner and builder respectively, of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities.
In exchange for these kickbacks, Ciavarella sentenced children to extended stays in juvenile detention for offenses as minimal as mocking a principal on Myspace, trespassing in a vacant building, and shoplifting DVDs from Wal-mart.[6] More specifically, the crimes charged were: conspiracy to deprive the public of the "intangible right of honest services", or corruption, and conspiracy to defraud the United States by failing to report income to the Internal Revenue Service.[7] Ciavarella tendered his resignation to Governor Ed Rendell on January 23, 2009, prior to official publication of the charges
Hell of a lot more at the link:
Guy is a slimeball.
CC
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)because he felt the defendant was not remorseful or apologetic enough. Ciavarella was subsequently tried for many more charges than he originally pled to and was sentenced to 28 years in prison for 12 of those charges.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)KansDem
(28,498 posts)Her son, 17, was put in detention by Ciaavarella for possessing drug paraphernalia. He committed suicide when he was released.
The former judge should have gotten life without parole...
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)Heartbreaking.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)intentionally so.
Nice of you to get personal about it. I happen to know some folks who are related to the boy who killed himself. So it's personal for me too. But I'm not going to insult those who don't agree with me.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)This is incomplete without everyone involved going to prison and the corporations being shut down and their assets forfeited.
tclambert
(11,086 posts)"Hey, guard! I own this prison. I pay your salary. Get me some chardonnay."
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I demand a public Perp Walk.
We deserve NO LESS!!!
burrowowl
(17,641 posts)should go to jail too!
Boudica the Lyoness
(2,899 posts)I'm getting sick and tired of it!
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)We really do not want you to be sick and tired.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So yeah, this headline is incorrect, inaccurate, disrespectful of the victims and of the truth. And to what end? What would be the reason to do that?
It is wrong. There is no nugget of righteousness in such reporting.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)I tell you - reading their program - it sounds like something straight of the Onion
PA Child Care
PA Child Care (formerly Luzerne County Juvenile Center) offers secure programs for males and females. This state-of-the-art facility is located in Pittston Township, Luzerne County and is easily accessible from Route 81.
Available Programs
Sex Offender/Fire Setter Secure Residential Treatment More Info
Male/Female Secure Residential Treatment More Info
Facility Capacity
12 Sex Offender/Fire Setter Secure Residential Treatment Beds
12 Female Secure Residential Treatment Beds
36 Male Secure Residential Treatment Beds
Available Services
Health/Medical More Info
Educational More Info
Psychiatric/Therapy More Info
Recreational/Social More Info
Referrals
Juvenile courts can make referrals to Mid-Atlantic Youth Services. If an adolescent in your care is in need of help, please contact Corey Shumaker at 814-221-5684 or via email at
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Anyone know the statute for sentences of crimes like this? In my opinion, this sentence is not harsh enough.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)boys and girls, brown, beige, etc. The county in which this occurred is 90% white.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sandy-Fonzo-becomes-symbol-of-Ciavarella-s-victims-2474736.php
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/pa-judges-accused-jailing-kids-cash/#.Ufpl_m1v3To
This article is racist, the headline is hateful as well as absolutely inaccurate and pretty disgusting to do over dead bodies and thousands of child victims. To exploit this is disgusting.
To the OP, do you claim the Judge only victimized black children?
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Volaris
(10,271 posts)can you imagine?
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)The Triumph Of The Corporation!
spanone
(135,838 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)warrprayer
(4,734 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)It is evil beyond words. I remember seeing interviews with the mother of a girl who had been a victim of that judge, it was heart-breaking. To so abuse a position of power like this is beyond words.
End privatization of prisons, only a moron would not see the potential for abuse in such a system.
Fla Dem
(23,676 posts)If Pa had been running these juvenile facilities, they would have been doing all they could to keep kid out of them, because it cost the tax payers money. The whole point of privatizing was to save the states money and perform more efficiently. Instead, our jails and prisons are overflowing, our courts are backlogged and the states are spending more money than if they ran the prisons themselves. And as demonstrated here, when there is a monetary incentive, it breeds corruption.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)racist bastard
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)hell those kids have had to go through because of this guardian of law and justice. The beatings and degradation. Damn!!!!! He's everything that is wrong with this country and more. May he find 'justice'. Oh fuck, I forgot. He'll probably on appeal to SCOTUS get a slap on the wrist fine and have to spend 90 days in a country club detention center.
hue
(4,949 posts)retired rooster
(114 posts)Who would have thunk it possible? Well me for one, I've have been researching crooked Judges for years and most people would be shocked to realize how many there are.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)too bad there aren't any accurate sources that don't choose to use inflammatory, lying headlines...oh wait:
Mark Ciavarella Jr., Judge, Gets 28 Years In 'Kids For Cash' Case http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/11/mark-ciavarella-jr_n_924324.html
Sentence upheld for former judge Ciavarella http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/sentence-upheld-for-former-judge-ciavarella-1.1495445
Ex-judge Mark A. Ciavarella Jr. guilty in 'cash for kids' case http://articles.philly.com/2011-02-19/news/28611757_1_worst-judicial-scandals-juvenile-law-center-ciavarella
You know, it's not just right-wing new sites that are poor choices to cite.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)is not always preferable to government.
mntleo2
(2,535 posts)...There is a heueueuge industry profiting off the same court system as this judge involving $Billions per state in contracted private corporations and state agencies under DSHS CPS. While a lot of is is "legal" a great deal of illegal activities are simply ignored and become "legal precedence" meaning that the court routinely ignores Constitutional rights and breaks the law and this is supposedly OK.
These agencies get their funding based on Title IV that uses Social Security money for the sole purpose of taking kids from their families. Their mandates in essence say, "The more kids you take, the money you will make. If you return these children home, you will LOSE all present and future funding..."
Each state receives approximately, depending on the state, $1.2 BILLION dollars of this Title IV money. They also go in and take an additional 1/3 of any money allocated for low income assistance in food stamps, medical, housing and cash assistance. I am saying that rather than assist a low income family, they get more money and even TAKE money literally "out of the mouths of babes" in order to take their kids and get 1000% more in funding for doing so. As a matter of fact within the training of my own (WA) state's DSHS, TANF (welfare) case managers are encouraged to report to CPS for anyone applying for assistance.
On the average an agency gets about $8000 per "legally kidnapped" child per month while it would cost less than $1200 of your tax dollars to actually support the family instead. On the ground what this means and transpires into is to target low income families' children using unconstitutional but now state-made unchallenged legal "reasons". They often use "reasons" as vague as mere "concern" without having to prove any proof of abuse at all. Additionally the laws now give case mangers bonuses for each child they successfully take ~ plus the raking in of funding by mega-nonprofits, and all their contracted agencies. All of these people are given complete total immunity for any consequences even after proving in court they have lied. Therefore it is profitable for everyone to take low income family's children. Your tax-paid personnel within DSHS and CPS will pay $thousands for everybody else BUT give any support for the birth family to care for these kids by simply accusing them of some kind of "child abuse". An average adoption brings in an additional $50,000-$100,000 per child.
I used to believe that the kids were truly abused when taken by CPS, but in fact even the Department of Social and Health Services admits that over 85% of these children are not abused. They also know that when they place these children in foster care and adoptions, these children have a 5-7X and greater chance of being physically and sexually abused than if they had simply given support to the families and left the kids in their home.
Rather than support these families, they take kids for many bad reasons. I have personally seen kids removed because the family cannot afford the water or electric bill (MI's private water companies actually pours cement down the pipes of a family with a delinquent bill). I have witnessed taking kids because their family cannot afford the heat bill, they have no telephone. They take kids because a parent could not take the child to a medical follow-up (often because the appointment can only be made at times that the parent is working and if the parent does not work they don't get paid, etc). I have witnessed kids taken because the kid wore the same clothes two times in a row to school, and because the the mother was a new mother and so "did not have the experience to parent" (who was adopted and reported abuse as a child but was never heard or was it addressed ~ until it became convenient to take her baby).
I have witnessed kids taken who have not been abused themselves but because the parent had been sexually or physically abused as children and so even though there is no evidence of their children being abused, because these parents had been abused, they might in the future sexually abuse their own kids. Many of these targeted parents were foster and adopted kids themselves who were abused in state-sanctioned homes. If the parent becomes ill and cannot work for a wage, rather than help the family , DSHS accuses the parent of "maltreatment and neglect" and takes their kids.
I have actually seen a low income housing building completely emptied of children taken one-by one, which the non-profit who owns this building "coincidently" also houses adoption and foster care agencies as well as DV lawyers who like to blame the victim rather than actually support them (cough, cough while saying Seattle YWCA). I have also learned this emptying of buildings of all the children regularly occurs in transitional and low income housing in PN, GA, MI, WA, CA. The only reason I do not mention any other states is those are the ones that I have had meetings with lawyers, clients, and other personnel from these states who have witnesses to these occurrences. NOBODY wants to address this. Rather than support a family, juvenile courts and all their minions get much more funding while mega-nonprofits and private corporations will prosper for simply destroying the family and taking their children.
The going philosophy is that if the children are taken from low income homes and placed in upper income homes, then everything is "fixed". Who cares what happens after that just as long as there is a new car in the driveway and the homeowner is at least middle class? Who cares about the terrible, deep, damage and detachment they impose on these children who will be affected for the rest of their lives or for the possible abuse they may face ~ just as long as everybody BUT their birth families profit? Did you know that a foster home has more legal rights if accused of child abuse than a grandparent who has never abused their grandchildren?
In my state (WA)for instance, just last month a low income couple who the State admitted had never abused their children, lost their 4 children and their parental rights terminated because supposedly they were "slow learners". The last child was taken directly from the hospital after birth (a great piece of "merchandise" since it was a white girl). DSHS got AT LEAST $32,000 per month for this as well as spending $thousands on court costs and contracted agencies. They created extremely high barriers insisting on impossible activities for this couple. For instance, as low wage workers they were instantly expected to become middle class and pay for a 4 bedroom home without any support to do so. DSHS CPS demanded the couple to pay a huge part of their meager incomes in child support while CPS was also receiving all this state and federal funding. CPS also made them pay for all the state contracted mental health "experts" who stood to profit by always going into court with the state's recommendations (and thus ensuring they would keep those contracts coming).
Meanwhile as this case was being prosecuted, they were digging up the bodies of several starved and beaten adopted children this same agency had placed in their "forever home". Using the glowing term "forever home" is an unfortunate description here ... And of course, after jumping through all those hoops and giving all the income they had, this low income couple lost. Not only will these decision makers ever face any consequences at all for permanently placing these dead children in their living hell, these agencies used these parents' kids for profit, knowing full well that nobody, including this couple would have enough resources to go up against the entire state who wanted their children for profit.
Grandparents have tried to save their grandchildren, losing everything, taking mortgages out on their homes (if they have one) and spending their entire nest eggs for naught trying to save their children from the System. They are hardly given a nod in court, considered not as important as the foster home with strangers where their grandchildren languish. They "get" to go through mourning of the legal death of their bloodline while watching their grandchildren sold to the highest bidders. The reason they have no rights and are not considered is that the juvenile courts and all their contracted minions would not profit off the Title IV mandates if they returned these children to their families.
These people well know that supporting families is not only far less expensive, it is more successful ~ even when the adult(s) have substance abuse issues. Adopted and foster children are more likely to drop out of school, become substance abusers, go to jail, become teen parents, and become homeless than if they had been left in the home with support. Yes kids should be taken from homes where they are being burned with cigarettes and beaten ~ but this is less than 15% of the children they take. Most of these families simply need support that costs far less ~ but unfortunately this would result in the loss of funding and profit for juvenile courts, these private corporations, nonprofits, and government agencies, should they do so.
The whole juvenile justice system is rife with tainted personnel and funding and it does not only deal with teens, it deals with ALL cases involving ANY child. Juvenile court is in actually a "pseudo court" that gets to make decisions about people's lives while being aware of where the profit lies. For decades with the use of low income children, they have been creating "legal precedence" for higher courts to use. They are routinely ignoring Constitutional rights impacting higher court decisions ~ especially when it is brought up to the SCOTUS' attention, which has ruled that all are immune, even though many courts have expressed deep concerns about the procedures these pseudo courts use. See the comments made by the 9th Circuit Court in Humphreys vs County of Los Angeles wherte this court openly stated they had little trust in the so-called 'internal" investigations" where the "investigations" are made by the people who are being "investigated". By being a "pseudo court" juvenile court can make accusations without ever having to prove a thing, and simply use vague and unprovable findings such as using someone's "feelings" or even though there is no evidence, they can prosecute people for what *might happen in the future" as fact.
These judges know much of the money that these "juvenile contractors" get is out of Title IV ~ as they themselves receive along with the many private and public agencies standing to get money for "saving the wittle baybees". Most juvenile judges are corrupt because they know what is going on. They have nothing to lose because they are often themselves getting "double pay" for being a juvenile court judge and a regular court judge, collecting twice the pay, accumulating twice the retirement, twice the paid sick leave, and twice the vacation pay for working one job. They well know that most teens who turn to the streets are foster children and adopted kids who have been taken from their family homes that their own courts and personnel refused to support. While being sexually exploited or abused, these kids who try to tell CPS about their suffering are ignored because who cares while letting these kids shiver in a doorway terrified to go to their assigned homes, left to wander the street, when their "forever homes" and all these agencies still get money whether or not the child actually lives in these homes anymore ? If they get in trouble, well it just means more for the courts, DSHS, keeps those judges in that double pay, and more funding for these "private contractors".
I am an activist for low income families. I see this happening every day. I know for a fact that juvenile courts are crooked and involves fraud not only with this judge, but it is happening nationally. Here are some links for those who want to know more:
*The first is the National Coalition for Child Protection Reform: http://www.nccpr.org. They have tons of white papers that have come out of the government, universities, and organizations such as the Casey Foundation about the studies cited on this post. http://www.nccpr.org.
*Here is a group of scrappy WI women who have gone out in their state and recorded what they have witnessed. These low income moms did better wonk work than any wonk in the nation would do about the profit making that comes out of "managing" the poor including CPS activities. Because of their activity, they have caused the prosecution of fraud that forced their legislators to request the return of funding, but they have barely scratched the surface and this activity is happening in every state as it not only involves local agencies, it involves agencies that are national and international: http://www.welfarewarriors.org/mwv_archive/sp09/sp09_milw.htm
*Here is another organization fighting the water rights issue in MI State. Kids are being taken because rather than assist these families with a $300.00 bill, they take the kids and get $8000 a month per child for taking them. You could speak to Maureen Taylor who is a vibrant speaker about this issue: http://mwro.org/
There are more organizations who are becoming aware of their own community's juvenile court corruption and the targeting of low income families. As one of these, I am a board member of POWER, http://www.mamapower.org who is also speaking to this corruption and demanding reform!
My 2 cents
Cat in Seattle
tillwill2004
(1 post)I have been devastated and virtually broken by these vultures. I Know my children are just as broken. Yet what paralyzes me from filing a lawsuit ,is the fact that even the public defender's provided to represent you in a dependency case, is provided by " your's truly " D.S.H.S. I have been denied my constitutional right to a civil trial during my last bogus dependency. A total of three in one year for the same child who I had been protecting from her abusive father. I still have no idea what grounds they had for removing her from my care other than the father, my ex, has strong ties in our community including a few DSHS/DLR/CPS social workers! Cut & dry, I had solid proof and any circumstantial evidence was the result of abuse. CPS did not conduct a investigation let alone offer me services and clearly broke their written agreement to assist my daughter and I with safe housing. The safety plan "they" drew up ,also requested that I keep my child away from the father. All mail, from them, sent to me went to the father's address even though I told them over and over where to send it. Ever investigator I have ever had as my case manager is from the adoption unit or Private agency.? They demonstrated ZERO concern for my daughter's safety and she was dismissed like an object and my name slandered with no thought of how they affect so many more than one. I have personally known for years what their game is. I have keep a close eye on the consistent patterns of frivolous immortality and greed induced conduct. I am hopeful that a tiny gimps of truth has surfaced enough to educate the public about just how vulnerable and naive, anyone can be persuaded into being.
Thank you for speaking out. I am sure that I have names of some of the headhunters responsible for ruining lives in king county. I will pray every minute that my children won't live with broken souls and the question of WHY MOMMY! Sincerely, tillwill2004
mntleo2
(2,535 posts)PM me if you would like. If you are in WA State and King County you and I might have a glimmer of hope with a lawsuit. I am looking for other families who have been devastated with their profit making off these children. And if you need a witness to their common and illegal practices in the same agency, I am more than willing to testify in court, under oath. I have proven in court that these King County DSHS workers and their contracted agencies blatantly lied in court with no consequences whatsoever. And yeah I also had solid proof that DSHS totally ignored ~ they refused to even make so much phone call to any of my witnesses or take 5 minutes to look into the proof I had either. I have th court case and number that I can give to anyone who needs it.
If you want to discuss this further PM me, I can give you my email and phone number and tell you more about the political shenanigans being done for these ... (I hesitate to call them) "people". Once I learned of the of the funding resources and how things were conducted to get these funds and how they were affecting citizens and kids, I was beyond sickened.
Take care, Hon!
Love, Cat in Seattle
marble falls
(57,097 posts)Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)Score one for the good guys
Mr Dixon
(1,185 posts)benld74
(9,904 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)Bake
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)n/t
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)to his victims. $1mil isn't enough. And he should have to give up his assets to pay them.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)A Juvenile Court facilty, I followed this case pretty closely. At least three of the youths committed suicide, while either in detention, or shortly after their release. And, most of the parents of the surviving youth report behavioral/emotional changes in their children.
It was discussed widely in Juvenile Justice circles that any remedial action MUST include life-time counseling for the affected youth. I think there is/was a suit against the corporation that owned the prison and the judge(s))
there was another judge involved and convicted, seeking this remedy.