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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI am genuinely disturbed by this leak of NSA capabilities
This may be the most damaging leak about NSA-type operations since ever.
I am disturbed this was published. If this was in the Snowden papers Greenwald would most likely NOT have published it. This is serious operational detail divulging stuff.
If one was actually concerned with National Security, rather than just seeking to minimize the influence of the left in intra-party Democratic politics, this one leak would make the entirety of the Snowden affair or the Manning affair trivial in comparison. (And this leaker should really be in prison. It's unthinkable that anyone who knew this would leak it. One can only hope it's a CIA disinformation op.)
Al Qaeda members included representatives or leaders from Nigerias Boko Haram, the Pakistani Taliban, al Qaeda in Iraq, al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, and more obscure al Qaeda affiliates such as the Uzbekistan branch. Also on the call were representatives of aspiring al Qaeda affiliates such as al Qaeda in the Sinai Peninsula, according to a U.S. intelligence official. The presence of aspiring al Qaeda affiliates operating in the Sinai was one reason the State Department closed the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv, according to one U.S. intelligence official. These guys already proved they could hit Eilat. Its not out of the range of possibilities that they could hit us in Tel Aviv, the official said.
Al Qaeda leaders had assumed the conference calls, which give Zawahiri the ability to manage his organization from a remote location, were secure. But leaks about the original intercepts have likely exposed the operation that allowed the U.S. intelligence community to listen in on the al Qaeda board meetings.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/al-qaeda-conference-call-intercepted-by-u-s-officials-sparked-alerts.html
dkf
(37,305 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Are they limited hangouts or is someone trying to deliberately hamper operational capabilities?
I remember the leak about Osama Bin Laden's satellite phone which made him change his communication habits and helped him to hide out for another decade.
ETA: Or is it the usual combination of insiders who can't wait to brag about what they know and journalists who can't wait to publish an exclusive story?
malthaussen
(17,204 posts)But then, I have a low view of human nature.
You are not alone, however. It becomes a bit dicey when specific information is leaked about successful methods. Maybe one could be optimistic and hope that such stuff was not leaked until the source was already shut down, but I doubt that that is the case.
-- Mal
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It was revealed despite government efforts to prevent its disclosure.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014558471
Once McClatchy let the cat out of the bag, it was out of the bag.
appal_jack
(3,813 posts)The "government" is not a monolith. Agencies often work at cross-purposes. The more secretive they are, the more obscure or nefarious may be their reasons for leaking information.
If you have any information about the source of this leak, I'd be interested in reading it.
-app
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)an official in Yemen who informed them.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/08/04/198521/embassy-closings-travel-warning.html
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)dwellers' we were going to 'smoke outta their caves' in weeks, months at the most' at a cost of, at MOST um, $40, million or so, are all over the place?? We've been GROWING them like a weed at a cost of trillions in military funding!
I'd say it's time to end this harmful, so-called WOT, if all we've done is spread it all over the world, before we turn them into the most powerful army in the history of the world.
It just sounds so 'comical', even the cartoon images we see of these 'evil doers', not in the 'funny' sense, but in the ' evil v good' comic book sense.
They really need some new material. This all got old a decade or so ago.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)What a PERFECT time for this to be "leaked." "We're not spying on you, we're spying on terrorists! See!! We need to spend billions on this stuff!!!" It's perfect PR and sells the program with a shiny red bow. Ma and Pa Jones will feel so much safer now and won't give a damn they they're being spied on too. Were there not predictions on DU that some terrorist "event" would be along shortly to make everyone shut the hell up about the Snowden revelations? I thought they might goad someone into blowing something up, but this little story does very nicely.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)everyone shut the hell up abou the Snowden revelations?"
Sane people were not making those predictions. Maybe those who hate Obama as much as the Republicans hated Bill Clinton when they accused him of "wagging the dog" when he tried to deal with Al Qaeda.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)same name?
This is becoming reminiscent of the multiple killings of Al Zarqawi back in the Bush days. I think we 'killed' him several times, mostly during elections or otherwise 'difficult' periods at home in the Great and Failed WOT. Fyi, he was Cheney's imaginary 'Al Queda' leader who supposedly had only one leg, a claim they seemed to have forgotten about each time the killed him.
There was NO Al Queda in Iraq before we brought them there.
Now that they quietly passed an amendment allowing US Citizens to be the targets of 'Government Propaganda', we can expect lots more of it.
Those 'terrorists' must be pretty stupid to keep using their cell phones considering the whole world now knows we are listening to even the phone calls of Americans. If they are that stupid, why on earth are we worried about them?
Reading the article, the "source" has wonderfully scripted soundbytes. "The Legion of Doom"? Jeezus.
This is all PR and the created media witch hunt for the fictional "leaker" will seal the deal. Talking heads will screech day and night and breathless experts will let us know that this mystery is worth watching! They protested so sheepishly about not revealing the "information", they remind me of Brer Rabbit, "Don't throw me in that briar patch!"
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'comic book good v evil' rhetoric, is THAT WE HAVE GROWN AL QUIDA from a few extremist 'cave dwellers' to a world wide powerful army the likes of which the world has never seen!!
They are making the best argument anyone could make to end this phony WOT and we should take them up on it and put an end to the whole money making racket.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)And they're making the surveillance state palatable because these all-powerful cave-dwellers will soon be coming to a small town near you. Spending trillions to bomb entire regions--they can intercept a phonecall but they can't trace the signal? Reds under every bed is now turbans in every nook and cranny. Just like the nebulous "terror alerts" of the shrub era, this is so damned convenient it smells.
Or I'm a wingnut as was illustrated upthread.
I just can't stop hating!
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)A spoonful of GWB-style "Terra" makes the surveillance go down.
http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2013/08/06/19895078-a-spoonful-of-terror-prevention-helps-the-surveillance-go-down
Octafish
(55,745 posts)And MIC Profits go UP UP UP!!!
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Is the first name always the same? Is it just a large tribe of them so that reporters get confused? Is our government confused about the name?
Odd that few reported article point out that Al Zawahiri has been killed many times by US.
Or maybe it's just you and I who noticed that.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)only one at that time. So excuses were made when the question arose.
Back during the Bush years, we killed Al Zarqawi I believe so many times I lost count. They never explained it. But when they decided to bump him off permanently, because people began to finally wonder if this guy had extraordinary powers of rising from the dead, and began looking into who he actually was, (Dan Rather dug up the info, a nobody, a petty thief as it turned out with no connections to Al Queda, used by Cheney as the 'Al Queda connection in Iraq who lost his leg and went there to have it amputated', no record of that either) see what happened to Rather later btw, they claimed they 'killed him' once again.
The problem was they had 'over-used' him and people remembered the 'no leg' Cheney story. He also had shown up in the video of the Berg beheading that ended the torture hearings, claimed by the media to be 'Al Zarqawi', problem was he had both legs in that video and appeared to be from Eastern Europe.
So, having been given these extraordinary powers of rising from the dead, appearing in questionable videos etc, people wanted to be sure he was dead, really dead this time. So people asked about the 'one leg' story, which the 'dead' Al Zarqawi should have had. The media dropped the story after that. And THIS time, he seems to have died, or was no longer worth using.
I still want to know about the Cheney 'one legged man' story though.
As for Al Zawahiri, I imagine he too may rise from the dead, unless we make too much of a fuss over his apparent rising from the dead powers also.
Put it this way, one of our Generals finally admitted in an 'off-the-record' comment that Al Zarqawi WAS propaganda. I believe it was Kimmel.
Lol, so, I notice when someone appears to be like Christ and wonder about it. But that's me. So, no, to your question, it isn't just you and me. It was a lot of people. We are not as stupid as they think we are.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)Your details brought back some of my memories of why I was so skeptical...and so well written that I was so hard reading it!
Remember the "Fat Osama" and the "Thin Osama"? We used to laugh about it around here on DU at one time. When the video of Osama appeared after PBO took him out I watched it several times. The Osama watching TV in that video to me was Much shorter and stouter than the other Osamas from the Bush years videos. The distinctive long face and body build of the Original Osama (and early photos of him when he was young) couldn't (imho) have aged into a round "troll under the bridge" type of character we saw squatted on the floor. And, that's why I don't believe that dramatic "Buried at Sea" story that we were fed. Who knows...but, add the "one-legged, two legged" Al Zawahiri who is killed again and again into that mix....and well... inquiring minds sort of get a bit skeptical.
Autumn
(45,107 posts)That's why I am so skeptical of all of this. It's the same old shit just a different day,
think
(11,641 posts)CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)from before 9/11.
He was Bin Laden's second in command in "Classic Al Qaeda", when it it was just a bunch of guys in Kandahar with a rolodex (or more likely laptop).
Now with Bin Laden gone he must #1 at Al Qaeda Main Branch.
frylock
(34,825 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)dontcha' think? I wonder if they wear business suits and ties for the occasion. Was it a SKYPE or just the standard Conference Call to be more discreet. Sounds like they have them pretty regularly from the article. Only this time they discussed their proposed terror attacks in more detail, conveniently giving a time frame, which caused US to close embassies and put out the "Terror Alert."
"Al Qaeda leaders had assumed the conference calls, which give Zawahiri the ability to manage his organization from a remote location, were secure. But leaks about the original intercepts have likely exposed the operation that allowed the U.S. intelligence community to listen in on the al Qaeda board meetings. "
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)scary masks to make sure no one knew who they were?
Only Americans seem to have to worry about 'using the phone, email and the internet'.
Do they have some kind of exemption for 'collecting and storing their data'? Or are they just too stupid to know someone 'might be watching'? Lol!
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)The people who actually threaten our Democracy certainly do that.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)TERRA!TERRA!TERRA!