Kaitlyn Hunt back in jail, to be held without bond until trial

[cali]

A teen accused of having sex with her underage girlfriend will remain in jail until her trial.

A judge ordered 19-year-old Kaitlyn Hunt to be held without bond during a hearing Tuesday. Hunt was booked into the Indian River County Jail Monday night, facing a new charge of transmitting material by electronic equipment harmful to a minor. She was already charged with two counts of lewd and lascivious battery on a child.

Authorities say Hunt had sex with her then-14-year-old girlfriend last year. Hunt argues the sex was consensual.

Scripps Treasure Coast Newspapers reports that the state attorney's office pulled a plea offer Monday following allegations Hunt violated her pretrial conditions and contacted the girl identified as the victim in the case. Prosecutors say Hunt exchanged thousands of texts with the girl and sent her nude photos.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2013/08/lesbian-teen-kaitlyn-hunt-to-be-held-without-bond-until-trial-for-sex-with-underage-classmate.html#storylink=cpy

[hobbit709]

1. If stupid was immediately painful, she might learn.

[tkmorris]

2. Good, I say

This girl has a lot to learn.

[snooper2]

3. I notice the big "rallying cries" around this case have, disappeared

[Ms. Toad]

79. As I said in a thread yesterday -

Laws which criminalize sex between members of the same peer group (e.g. within the same high school) based solely on age are wrong. As I have maintained all along - such sexual activity should be evaluated based on the reality of the interactions, not because a calendar says it is rape.

It also appears that Kaitlyn is dumber than a box of rocks. But that doesn't change my position on the principle.

[Lint Head]

4. Loretta Lynn was married at 13.

Not condoning just adding information.

[Orrex]

5. Any truth to the rumor that she was a coalminer's daughter?

[Lint Head]

8. And Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin Myra.

[HappyMe]

9. What does Lewis or

Loretta Lynn have to do with this?

[Lint Head]

11. The age 'is' the story.

[HappyMe]

12. What was okay back in the

40s or 50s is a far cry from what is okay today.

[Lint Head]

14. True. That was the point of my reply. Did not think I had to spell it out.

[snooper2]

27. what do you think the age should be for consensual sex?

[Lint Head]

75. It seems to be arbitrary around the country. I'm not a psychologist or doctor so

I really have no opinion. I know child labor was legal and outlawed. I also know of very young teenagers that have sought and gotten legal emancipation from their parents because they were older beyond their years. I had never heard of that until a few years ago. There was one teenager I knew of who wanted to enter into a contract for a career but did not want a parent involved because the parent was not stable. My understanding at that time was that they then legally became a consenting adult. I personally think 18 should be the age of consent because a person can die for the country in the military but not be of legal age to drink alcohol. What the norm should be actually I think should be determined by medical professionals and not someone like me or a politician.

[Brickbat]

7. Fifteen.

In any case, it has little to do with the story at hand.

[Lint Head]

10. The age 'is' the story. Loretta Lynn led everyone to believe she was married at 13 and latter said

she was older than her bio and the movie indicated. I know her.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

16. The issue is the law. Just because Age X is legal in State Y doesn't mean it is legal in State Z.

We can argue about whether or not that is fair/sane but I can't help but wonder if the public outpouring of support (which I was inclined to join) might have left her with the misapprehension that she was untouchable. She was already in trouble with the law and then she defied the judge's explicit instructions/legal orders and engaged in an activity that would land any 30 year old man in prison for decades.

I've no desire to see her life destroyed but -- damn -- she eff'ed up...BIG TIME.

[Dreamer Tatum]

33. And DU roasts southerners on a spit

Just adding information

[NaturalHigh]

76. That is an unfortunate fact.

[HappyMe]

6. Good.

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. Whew. I feel so much safer now with that dangerous criminal off the streets.

[msanthrope]

17. Criminals who pursue their minor victims are a danger. nt

[Comrade Grumpy]

20. Oh, Good Christ Almighty. "Criminals" and "victims."

It was two teenagers having sex.

[msanthrope]

22. If Ms. Hunt thinks that is a viable defense to breaking a court order, she should go with it. nt

[cali]

29. so what? that's simply not a legal defense

what's really sad about this is that she was offered a good plea deal and not only did she refuse it, she continued with the behavior that landed her in hot water to begin with.

[tammywammy]

30. Part of the recently revoked plea deal was to stay away from the victim.

She's already proven she won't follow that.

[Dreamer Tatum]

34. Maybe you should acquaint yourself with the facts. nt

[Yo_Mama]

35. Not once the parents of the younger girl intervened

and even less so once the court intervened. Once the court intervened it became acutely criminal behavior.

This is way more than "having sex". There's an intensity in this relationship and a risk-taking behavior that's extreme and disturbing.

You can't expect a 15 year old to be wise in love, and if the 19 year old can't control herself for a year and a half until the 15 year old is of legal age, then you have a very real problem.

Nor can I really see this as a "love" relationship at this point, because I was a 19 year old at one point, and although no one is really mature at 19, a 19 year old in love is capable of both discerning and protecting the welfare of the person whom they love.

Ms. Hunt's behavior was reckless and endangered her, but if she really loved the younger girl, she should have had the wisdom to back off until the younger girl was 16 out of concern for the younger girl, even if not for her own sake. Also, I could understand texting "how are you?". but sending nude pics is not about concern for the younger girl. It's just not. It's about maintaining sexual focus.

I have to say that if I found out that my fourteen year-old daughter had banged someone in the school bathroom, I wouldn't permit the relationship to go on without very sharp limits. That's not healthy and it's going to run my kid into trouble, and it indicates a degree of intensity that indicates she is quite likely to get into trouble if I don't set some limits. Supervised contact would provide a chance for any real attachment to either safely mature or fizzle naturally.

Sex is intense and love is intense, and how such relationships will work out really depends upon both parties. In this case, one of the parties now appears to be a self-destructive loon.

The bottom line is that Ms. Hunt seems to have escalated this right down the line. When the younger girl's parents first told her to back off, she could still see the younger girl at school every day. They could have hit the pause button, had an obsessive and devoted relationship and moved on to a highly sexual relationship in less than two years, which was to some degree necessary anyway, because Ms. Hunt was going to be graduating and going on to college. But no, Ms. Hunt ends up with the girl at her house overnight having sex. A better way to create a Josephine-Juliet doomed romance could not possibly exist. And then she escalates again until winds up with this scenario, where she's going to have to go to jail and they aren't going to be seeing each other or contacting each other.

If you believe that kids are old enough to be having sex, then you damned well better have the belief that they are old enough to handle such relationships with some degree of maturity, and in this case it did not happen.

[pintobean]

31. I take it

you're not a 14 year old girl or a parent.

[Comrade Grumpy]

54. No, I'm not a 14 year old girl, but I was a minor once myself, and I am a parent.

As I minor, I engaged in sex whether I could "consent" or not. And at least one of my partners was 19 when I had sex with her at 16. According to most of the posters in this discussion, I was victimized and she should have been jailed. I find that notion revolting.

I also find all the interest in this case sort of creepily voyeuristic. It was a couple of teenagers having sex. Leave it alone.

[Comrade Grumpy]

56. Hoo, boy, the sex police are out in force today. Burn that witch!

[cali]

59. hoo boy, the statutory rape fans are out in force today.

[pintobean]

58. You find it creepy

and we should leave it alone? That's it then. Thread over. Free the woman immediately.

[Hippo_Tron]

73. Where do you draw the line, though?

I agree that we don't need laws saying that 19 year olds can't have sex with 14 year olds. But I do think there's a strong case that we need laws saying that 28 year olds can't have sex with 14 year olds.

[NaturalHigh]

15. This young woman needs to start growing up in a hurry...

and her idiotic parents need to stop enabling her.

[Yo_Mama]

18. Yes, one wonders about that

How did Ms. Hunt get the idea that she could defy a court order? Either she has tremendous psychological problems, or she just didn't take it seriously. Her lawyer and her parents should have conveyed to her that she had to obey the court. Instead, somehow she got the opposite message.

The contacts began very shortly after the order was issued, some of them were explicitly sexual, and they also met in person.

I feel sorry for Ms. Hunt but no one can do this with impunity and it is not in the public interest to let this slide. Also, I have to admit that it makes me view Ms. Hunt as a dangerously reckless person with whom I think a minor should not be associating.

[NaturalHigh]

19. Her mother also contacted the minor victim...

and asked her to delete all messages from Kaitlyn. I think the mother could legally be on the hook for witness tampering and/or impeding a criminal investigation.

This seems like a pretty screwed-up family. They seem to feel that the law doesn't apply to them.

[Yo_Mama]

24. Yes. that is a crime

A felony.

I finally realized why the latest development in this case bothers me so much. The original uproar over it was somewhat understandable, and these sorts of attachments and unfortunate legal consequences are not that rare.

Love happens, and in teenagers it frequently is overwhelming. But because it's real and intense doesn't mean it's always wise, and I really don't think a 14 year old should be allowed to engage in such a relationship without pretty close parental supervision. So originally I marked it down as one of those things, and although I thought Ms. Hunt's parents were extremely unwise and in fact unethical in handling it the way they did, still there was ample hope that time and some independent supervision would throttle things down. If the two girls were capable of a mature attachment that would always be open to them later, and in the meantime court supervision would provide a degree of protection from excess.

Now? Now this has taken a far more serious bent. Ms. Hunt has to do jail time, and she is going to get a serious sentence out of this, and probably will be placed on the sex offender registry. Her life will never be free from this.

And the younger girl - her life is truly messed up. Too much publicity, her family has been pilloried, and now if she is intensely attracted to the older girl she too must deal with the consequences involved for years to come. This has become an unnecessary tragedy, but I can't blame the younger girl's parents. It would seem that Ms. Hunt was willing to accept no boundaries from anyone, which confirms their original judgment call that this relationship could in fact be dangerous for their daughter.

[NaturalHigh]

26. Kaitlyn Hunt seems dangerously obsessive.

Allegedly, she has sent the younger victim 20,000 text messages (and several sexually explicit photos) since the court's no-contact order.

[tammywammy]

23. Kaitlyn's mother ALSO contacted the girl?

It's no wonder Kaitlyn disregard court orders.

[NaturalHigh]

25. Yes, she did...

asking her to destroy any messages sent by Kaitlyn. I think this is a case of the apple not falling far from the tree.

[tammywammy]

28. Oops, I didn't mean to use a question mark...

I read the prosecution report on this, so yes I knew the mother had contacted the girl. Disgusting.

[elehhhhna]

32. because hormones. because "love", and

because teenage sex is dangerous emotionally (gets obsessive and defiant, and sneaking adds excitement) depending on the maturity level of the participants

imo sex can be dangerous emotionally for anybody depending on their maturity level.

[Yo_Mama]

38. Hell. yes

But that's why the age of consent isn't fourteen.

In this case, it seems that Ms. Hunt isn't old enough to handle a sexual relationship with any degree of concern for the other participant, which to me confirms the judgment of the parents of the younger girl.

Edited: Okay, I read the court affidavit that someone else posted, and it is now clear that Hunt is a sexual predator and never loved this kid at all. That's very disturbing. She needs to be in jail and she needs to be on the sex offender registry. Anyone who would behave that way is a very twisted person.

I am very sorry that the parents of the victim were so grossly abused in the media. The younger girl is a victim and has been emotionally abused by the offender.

[bluestate10]

37. If this new information is true, she may be a pedophile. Her sexual orientation has nothing

to do with her not respecting the fact that she can't carry on a relationship with an under-aged person.

[Yo_Mama]

45. It doesn't, and she is a sexual predator

The court affidavit is very disturbing.

It's now clear that Ms. Hunt created the situation in the first place in order to gain control over the victim. I was puzzled all along about how this situation arose, but the degree of emotional abuse and domination demonstrated in the affidavit explains why.

The "doomed love" scenario allowed Ms. Hunt to separate the victim from the parents and all authority so that she could gain an emotionally controlling position over her. A very sick and desperate game.

[tammywammy]

21. Good.

Kaitlyn completed disregarded the order to stay away from the girl and told her to lie for Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn's mother should be charged as well for talking to the girl and telling her to delete the messages between Kaitlyn the her.

[kiva]

36. [Edited because it sounded unnecessarily hostile]

Check out the Court filing and see what was in some of those 20,000 texts that this stupid young woman sent to the girl: http://media2.wptv.com/documents/kaitlyn%20hunt%20violation.pdf . [note: some disturbing stuff at the link]

Gems like "Fuck you...you're stupid...you want me to go in jail...You're such a messed up person" and "So you aren't going to lie for me?"

If I were the girl's parents I wouldn't want my kid hanging out /dating/having sex with someone who sent them video of themselves (Kate) masturbating, called the girl stupid and wanted her to lie in court.

[Yo_Mama]

39. Oh my God - Hunt is a classic sexual predator

She doesn't love this kid - she was manipulating her and bullying right on through.

To be telling the younger girl that she hated her and loading her with guilt over the offense which she precipitated?

Absolutely a sex offender and needs to go on the sex offender registry. This is grossly abusive, and this relationship was NEVER young love.

Thanks for posting the link, but as a warning to others, the content is acutely disturbing.

[kiva]

42. That's my thought too.

I will edit my post to indicate disturbing content at the link, thanks.

[cali]

48. holy shit. fuck kaitlyn hunt. she's a real piece of shit abuser

hope she gets a nice long sentence.

[davidn3600]

40. Kaitlyn's lawyer wrote a letter blasting the prosecutors and victim's parents

If this matter had been considered properly in the beginning for what is truly is, we would not be where we are today – and that is with two devastated lives and two devastated families.

It looks as though we have an alleged victim who doesn't agree with how things are being handled by the State, her parents or their attorney. She has felt compelled to do what she thought was the only thing to save Kaitlyn from the State and her parents and that was to reach out and let Kaitlyn know this was not her idea or what she wants. I am totally cognizant that she is a minor.

For Chris Taylor to file a notice with those kinds of details in it, I just cannot begin to fathom why that was necessary. The same Notice with general language could have been accomplished and reached the same objective, to revoke her bond. What happened to a statement like "numerous texts and inappropriate language" without details? With today being the first day of school in Indian River County, I can only imagine the chatter at the school. Even if not said directly to the alleged victim, it is going to be discussed behind her back. You can't stop it.

Nonetheless it comes down to we still have a situation of two teenagers who were in school together and involved in a consensual relationship. Yes one that under the current law is a crime, but still consensual. It was brought to an abrupt end and the older "adult" teen faces up to thirty years in prison. The younger teen cannot comprehend the seriousness of the matter because it was something she consented to. Her opinion is ignored by the State, interrogated by the Sheriff's Department, taken to a church that labels being gay a sin, has the Bible thrown at her, all of her thing in her room boxed up and taken from her, is apparently hit by her parents, and clearly yelled at for lying by her father in the presence of Detective Shepherd at the school in a subsequent interview. How could she not be confused, scared and feel as though this is all her fault and no one is listening? She already tried to speak to Kaitlyn's mother Kelley who shut her down. So she turns to the only person who could possible understand in her eyes and a person she clearly does not want to see hurt and that is Kaitlyn. She wants to try to save her and in doing so she just causes the walls to continue to tumble down.

And here we are. Now there are new charges that set us all back even further. The defense of Kaitlyn Hunt will continue until the matter is either resolved or determined in a court of law, not public opinion.

Full letter can be read here...
http://www.wflx.com/story/23221358/kaitlyn-hunts-attorney-lashes-at-at-prosecution

[LisaL]

43. Consensual? The minor is below the age of cosent.

Therefore, how can this "relationship" be consensual?

[davidn3600]

44. They dont like the law

It seems they were hoping the law gets changed, i guess.

[Comrade Grumpy]

51. It's a legal fiction. Minors consent to sex all the time.

I know I did. Should I turn myself in?

[cali]

55. no, it's a legal reality.

whatever you think about an 18 year old having sex with a 14 year old, kaitlyn was told by the legal authorities not to have contact with the younger girl. Not only did she violate a court order which is incredibly stupid and arrogant, she bullied this girl horribly and she sent explicit sexual materials to her.

she's an abusive piece of shit. Read what she sent the kid.

[Dreamer Tatum]

62. Tell you what, Einstein. Go have sex with someone underaged

and go brag to the cops about it. Because hey - it's a legal fiction!

Is RAPE a legal fiction?

[Yo_Mama]

47. But to balance that, read the court affidavit

http://media2.wptv.com/documents/kaitlyn%20hunt%20violation.pdf

This can't be made up, because the prosecutors are quoting electronic messages.

And sexual predators do create the situation in which they dominate the victim and control the victim. Ricky Chavis comes to mind:
http://crime.about.com/od/murder/a/alexandderekking.htm

An extreme case, but good Lord. Ms. Hunt is very clearly using the threat of court punishment as a club over the younger girl. "Fuck you, you're stupid. You're such a messed up person. You snitched on me." Words of love, right?

And without the knowledge that the victim was given an iPod by Ms. Hunt, it may sound that the things in her room being boxed up is just abusive, but that's what you would do if you were trying to sever contact. Yeah, you're going to go through the kid's room and remove the electronics, aren't you?

It's obvious that the defense attorney is completely misrepresenting the situation in the above letter. The victim didn't initiate contact with Ms. Hunt. The victim didn't set this up. Ms. Hunt did.

[LisaL]

49. And didn't defense lawyer explain to his client that she shouldn't violate the court order

by contacting the minor?
I notice he still blames minor's parents, despite the fact that his own client apparently ignored the court order and kept in contact with the minor.
What exactly are minor's parents supposed to do?

[Yo_Mama]

68. The letter appears slightly insane to me

He is implying that the contacts are all the fault of the victim, rather than initiated by Ms. Hunt.

It is not an argument that he can make in court without sending a judge ballistic, so I don't understand this except as PR. But as PR it appears to be walking the line of disbarment proceedings????

[snooper2]

84. Maybe Kaitlyn shouldn't be masturbating and sending video to the minor when court said no contact

Maybe you should counsel your client a little better lawyer dude

[LittleBlue]

41. Kaitlyn Hunt will get more time than Rumsfeld

and all the other criminals who killed hundreds of thousands of people. She will see more time than Zimmerman.

It is hard to look at the justice system and not think it's just a trivial system of punishment. Some of the least offensive crimes get the harshest sentences, while the most heinous have useful technicalities and seemingly are never enforced against those who have money and connections.

Her life will undoubtedly be ruined, listed as a sex offender for life and probably with a few years in prison. A pity that Kaitlyn doesn't have the same legal immunity as the torturers. Maybe she will get lucky and her girlfriend will still want to be with her when she turns 18.

[cali]

50. so the fuck what? I get so tired of these dim and spurious comparisons

compare Manning and the war criminals; that's logical. This? Not even a little bit. By your twisted logic, pedophiles shouldn't be prosecuted because Rumsfeld and crew haven't been.

Kaitlyn ruined her own life. If what the prosecution has laid out is factual, she's a fucking sick abusive young woman.

Your post is vomit worthy. disgusting excuses for a sexual offender.

[LittleBlue]

67. "So the fuck what?"

So, my point is that the law should take into account situations like this.

She will be listed on a sex offender registry the same as a 40-year-old sicko who cruises grade school playgrounds for victims. Having consensual sex with an underclassman is a world away from predatory pedophiles who pull children into vans and rape them.

[cali]

71. I was clearly referring to the "oh no rumsfeld hasn't been prosecuted" comparison

when I wrote "so the fuck what".

[LittleBlue]

72. I guess I was musing at the arbitrary nature

of the justice system.

The severity of the offense doesn't seem to matter, it's whether the crime has a technicality or you know someone who can stop prosecution. That's why she will be cast into the same hopeless pit as the creepy rape van guy, Manning will spend 35 years in prison, and torturers will walk free.

[kiva]

53. She is a sex offender.

And a very foolish one.

I don't think she should go to prison, but her own behavior has labeled her a sex offender.

[cali]

57. why the hell shouldn't she go to prison?

she was offered the opportunity to avoid it and she blatantly violated a court order. If she was a male, would you still feel that *he* shouldn't go to prison?

[kiva]

60. I would,

simply because I think the prison system is out of control. I think that she should be punished - fines, house arrest, community service, or make her stand on the damn street corner with a sign. I just hate to see non-violent offenders sent to prison - male or female - because I don't believe they are protected from violent inmates.

[cali]

63. OK, no embezzlers should be in prison

no white collar criminals of any kind.

Had hunt not so blatantly violated a court order from the very get go and had she not threatened the victim, I'd agree with you.

[kiva]

66. I admit, that's what bothers me

and makes me wonder if her obsession with the girl makes her a real danger - will she leave the girl alone if she (Hunt) isn't locked up?

There are people who should be locked up - Thank God for prisons, to quote the late Richard Pryor - but I'd like to see more alternative sentences for people who don't pose a specific threat to society.

[Yo_Mama]

69. In most respects I agree with your logic

but to be honest, not in the case of sex offenders. They do real and active harm to their victims and thus should not be classed in with "non-violent" offenders.

[NaturalHigh]

86. "I don't think she should go to prison..."

When this case first broke, I would have agreed with you. Considering everything that has happened since then, though, I don't think that Ms. Hunt is ever going to learn until she does some time. It's very possible, in my opinion, that she is a very real danger to her young victim. She has certainly exhibited some stalker-type behavior over the past few months.

[Dreamer Tatum]

64. Man that meme has jumped the entire ocean of sharks nt

[snooper2]

85. That is an extremely simplistic way to look at the World

FYI

[Nye Bevan]

46. A rapist who contacted the victim contrary to the court's order. (nt)

[cali]

52. what a scam this family ran. "Stop the hate, free Kate". what bullshit

disgusting.

[davidn3600]

61. I think she's gotten some really, really bad legal advice the past several months

And her parents are enablers.

She was balling in court the other day. I think maybe the situation is finally starting to hit her now.

A few weeks ago, the prosecutor and the judge demanded the defense attorney show proof that she showed the plea deal to Kaitlyn. They wanted a signed statement from Kaitlyn herself that she's declining the deal. (This was before the deal was withdrawn.) I dont think they ever did get that proof.

Her best bet at this point is to start taking this seriously. Stop listening to her parents, fire her attorney, and hire a better one and start asking for some kind of plea deal. If she goes to trial with this attorney, she's going to be looking at a decade.

[cali]

65. I find it hard to believe that she didn't know about the plea deal

if her lawyer didn't show it to her, the lawyer is guilty of gross malpractice.

Kaitlyn sent thousands of messages to this kid. She evidently had sex with her and she threatened her. it's egregious behavior.

I originally had a very different view of this case.

[oberliner]

77. "I originally had a very different view of this case."

"I'm totally against a felony sex abuse charge against Hunt"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2899209

That's what you wrote in May.

[cali]

81. exactly.

[oberliner]

82. Come back to I/P

Your presence would be very helpful there!

[cali]

83. thanks. I/P seems so Groundhog day

it just goes round and round and round

[backscatter712]

70. I gave her the benefit of the doubt the first time this hit the news.

And to be honest, there are a lot of GLBT people that fall victim to nasty accusations.

But with this new news, the benefit of the doubt has run out.

[dsc]

74. I carried a swimming pool full of water for this woman

and frankly am appalled. It is one thing to have an affair with a fellow student who is only four years younger than you are, I think that is hard to treat as a real criminal offense equivalent to some 40 year old scum bag molesting a 14 year old kid. But this girl was told repeatedly to leave the kid alone and sent 2000 texts. just amazingly stupid and manipulative.

[JI7]

78. her parents seem to be encouraging her and not doing anything to keep her out of legal trouble

including when there is jail time involved.

i wonder if she has one of those parents who want to be friends with their kids instead of a parent to them .

[davidn3600]

80. She's being enabled by everyone around her

Her lawyer, her parents, her family, her supporters, etc... they are all telling her that what she's doing is OK and consensual. And that she's being screwed by the system and unfair laws. So she keeps doing it. Now if there is a law you dont agree with, that's fine. You can call for it to be changed. You can start a movement for that. But that doesn't mean you can continue to break the law and continue to disobey an order by the court the way she's been doing.

She's 18-19 years old throughout this thing. She doesn't have a whole lot of experience with the real world yet. So the adults around her are still a big influence. And I dont think they have been a very good influence at all. She's going to have to grow up really fast now.