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Are we going to launch air strikes
-KILL MORE PEOPLE --
???
Based on the say-so of an intelligence community
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/28/intercepted-call-reportedly-clinched-us-claim-on-syria-chemical-weapons-strike/?cmpid=cmty_plus_fn
Headed by a guy who lied to Congress not long ago?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBKrouhCbpIt1Sqx7zUXknqNonMFv22dYavJ1-17054y1YMx8rdA
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2013/06/fire_dni_james_clapper_he_lied_to_congress_about_nsa_surveillance.html
http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/08/28/anonymous-officials-contemplated-a-rogue-cw-attack-8-months-ago/#more-37794
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2013/08/mad-times.html
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I'd say Mr. Clapper needs some after all he's contributed to in the field of lies.
You know, I don't think anyone was quite sure how all this would be going over... It's not going to bowl people over like they might have thought it would, starting with this guy, and the fact that some people still have a memory over 12 years old...
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)Never ever thought I'd agree with Putin. Let the UN inspectors do their job first......or at least give it a fair chance.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)and as a nation, we're dumber than I thought we were.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)It's the runaway MIC that is driving this juggernaut.
Apparently against the will of the American people.
Crazy men appear to be in charge.
frylock
(34,825 posts)unless some general is holding a gun to his head, this is all on him.
Amonester
(11,541 posts)Besides, they don't care about the price of gas, nor the Economy. They have personal chauffeurs driving their limos.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't trust that asshole that lied before Congress further than I can throw him, and I doubt Dick Cheney's heart would stand picking that goblin up.
Fuck him, fuck his ill intentions, and fuck his toilet brush looking beard.
thanks for that
I agree with ALL of it.
peace, kp
morningfog
(18,115 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)scooter rider
(80 posts)Or should he act on the best information he has available.
Seems we've been down this road before.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It's unconstitutional for Congress to give up their power to declare war.
We dont need another war.
frylock
(34,825 posts)fucking really?!
scooter rider
(80 posts)Have you read his briefings?
Didn't think so.
frylock
(34,825 posts)if you've read the PDBs, perhaps you can share your findings with the group. oh wait, you haven't read them either. go troll someone else.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)like for them to be on food stamps for a change, while the rest of us grow gardens that aren't watered by blood.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)What should he do? Represent the will pf the democracy, duh.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)Particularly ones that helped the Bush administration lie about an illegal war.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and should actually be tried for lying before Congress, like Presidents have been. And every other asshole that lied before Congress, got caught, and was sent to the Iron Bar Hotel of the People's choice.
HumansAndResources
(229 posts)1. Promise to close ALL our foreign military installations and military foreign-aid if Putin agrees to the same (he will - the ratio is ~50:1 in our favor). To address the 'power vacuum' argument, China, India, Brazil, and the EU should also sign-on, and all shall agree to total economic-boycotts of any nation which opens a military installation outside their territory at any point in the future.
2. Promise to withdraw from what has become The North Atlantic Terror Organization (NATO) and take down the missile-system which aims to make a Nuclear 1st-Strike on Russia a plausible war-option.
3. Promise NEVER to use US Military Power except to prevent an attack on US Territory (our allies have enough of our hardware to protect themselves).
4. Promise to Use the Bully Pulpit of the Executive to encourage All Americans to Buy American and, in particular, boycott All Products from nations which do not respect the Civil Rights of their people and/or do not permit open, democratic elections. Also, to put the Worst Abusers of civil rights at the TOP of the list, rather than only talking about those that Transnational Corporations find 'uncooperative.'
5. Promise to appoint an independent council, named in advance (someone we trust), to investigate all war-crimes for the last 60 years in which US-agents, proxies, or financing were involved, and to prosecute those revealed to the fullest extent of the law, on his first day in office.
6. Promise to appoint another independent council, named in advance (someone we trust), to investigate Wall Street's crimes - including their use of 'Bailout' funds, on his first day in office.
7. Promise to return titles to homeowners who were foreclosed by banks who refused to negotiate their balance-owed, but then sold their homes for pennies-on-the-dollar to Blackstone et. al. - leaving them as 'perpetual renters'. Their new 'owed' balances shall equal the deal given to Blackstone, all rent-payments counted as payments, and the interest-rate set at the same rate Blackstone received from their 'friends'. http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-wall-street-landlords-20130801,0,4294406.story
8. Promise to NEVER negotiate economic-treaties "in secret" ala the "Trans Pacific Partnership," and to open all records of current and past "trade agreements" to the public, on his first day in office.
9. Promise to drop all charges on Whistleblowers, encourage more to come forward with Amnesty if they testify to Congress, and pardon those currently jailed, on his first day in office.
10. Promise to push for a law requiring all "non-profit" foundations, NGOs, Think Tanks, and other organizations to make all of their records public - meeting-minutes - everything.
11. Promise to make all meetings between Federal Government Officials and Lobbyists or other commercial entities public - streamed in real-time.
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That is the "non-controversial" list. A 'wage-neutralizing tariff' should follow. Then return mineral-resources to the people via a raw-commodities 'e-trade' account for all. Then recognize a "universal right to a place to exist" on the land of one's nation, without paying banksters and land-lords for "permission," through an open-bidding system on land, where every citizen has equal 'credits'.
But we have to break the corruption-system first, or we can't put the rest "on the table."
bvar22
(39,909 posts)I was ready for another Strawman built out of extreme proposals,
but none of your proposals are extreme, or even impractical.
Most of them are enlightened Common Sense based on History and current trends.
Your post would make an interesting good OP.
Of course, we have had candidates for the presidency "promise" all kinds of things that they forget about on Day One.
I'm interested in seeing the "Controversial List" you alluded to in your post.
NATO lost its raison d'être when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union collapsed.
NATO has devolved into the Enforcement Arm for the Global Banks and the IMF.
(SEE: Bombing of Libya)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)of all political persuasions, all races, all religions and are just plain AMERICANS are sick of this man's shit. There isn't a dungeon dark enough for this nitwit that lied before Congress.
robinlynne
(15,481 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Overseas
(12,121 posts)delrem
(9,688 posts)don't think that kind of information is relevant.
You know, these are the people who argue "boxes"....
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Memo to DC: We are not STUPID.
Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)country with their own agenda who constantly lies.
BillyRibs
(787 posts)it's a forgone conclusion.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)I'm definitely opposed to getting involved, for a zillion reasons. Most of them center around IT WOULD DO NO GOOD!! We would just get our hands bloody as well.
But NPR had a debate tonight by three individuals, and the one man, who opposed to getting into this whole mess had very valid points that I hadn't considered until tonight. Is dying by gas really so much more terrible than dying by shrapnel and bullets? We dropped napalm in Vietnam. Is that a better way to die? We used atomic bombS in Japan. Was that an OK way to die?
The point is, dying by any one of these methods is tragic. Yet WE feel WE need to respond by blowing up some shit because someone, we aren't even really sure who, used gas? I realize it's illegal. Save that argument. So is torture. We do that too. We even assisted Iraq as they dropped gas on the Iranians. But now, it's a terrible thing, and we NEED TO DO SOMETHING...BLOW SOMETHING UP!! Make them think twice about using gas on innocent men, women and children; but they are welcome to continue dropping bombs, shelling and shooting at will????
This is so hypocritical. This whole subject. Just who the fook do we think we are??
Military action based on lies.
People need to stop signing up for the military.