Did anyone listen to Putin's statement this afternoon?

[snappyturtle]

I see real problems ahead. I will post a few paragraphs. Heard
the statement this afternoon on CNN or MSNBC...I was switching
around. After Putin made it, I then heard the report from the UN
that Putin had pulled out of a meeting and it was after that it
was announced the senate would delay its vote.....which makes
more sense if you read below:



http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/10/20416189-syrias-foreign-minister-well-declare-chemical-weapons-sign-arms-ban?lite

•Russian President Vladimir Putin said that the proposal to place Syria's chemical weapons stockpile under international control will not succeed unless the United States and its allies reject the use of force against Syria.
“All this will work only in case we hear that American side and all those who support it will denounce using force,” Putin said in televised remarks.
•Putin’s statement came not long after President Barack Obama agreed to discuss the plan – just hours before he was due to address Congress and the American people to make the case for the use of military strikes if diplomatic solutions fail. According to a senior administration official, Obama was changing his speech Tuesday afternoon to reflect the latest diplomatic developments. The president does still believe that a military option has to stay on the table, an official said, in response to Putin's suggestion.
•A Tuesday afternoon emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council was put on hold after Russia -- who had requested it originally -- withdrew its request, U.S. officials said.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

1. oy.

[GeorgeGist]

2. Only yesterday Susan Rice is shooting her mouth off about regime change ...

and sending a message to Iran.

Why o' Why would Putin try to hold Obama's feet to the fire?

[snappyturtle]

4. I wish I could have recorded the video of him giving

the statement...it was more detailed. But here goes: he mentioned
the no nation would unilaterally give up what Syria is being requested
to do and leave itself open to attack... if the U.S. passes the right of
the President to attack even though we know it's 'in case' it's needed
in the future.

[11 Bravo]

3. Putin pulled out of a meeting that he asked for! But hey, he's got great man boobs, so ...

that will keep some folks occupied.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

5. bkmrking to refer back to later, thanks for posting. n/t

[snappyturtle]

18. You're welcome....I'm so paranoid anymore....I hope this

turns out to be nothing.

[giftedgirl77]

6. Putin's a squirrelly fucker, I trust him about as much

as limpballs & boner. There is something fishy going on when the only people backing you are Iran, Russia, & China.

[warrprayer]

7. K&R for Snappy! n/t

[snappyturtle]

9. Thank you. Hissyspit has a OP up and it's from

Huffington Post....it too mentions this at the end of the article
but I didn't see anyone doing anything but celebrating...which
I would have too until I heard this statement.

[leeroysphitz]

8. Don't worry. It's all part of the plan n/t

[snappyturtle]

12. That's what is troubling me. nt

[VanillaRhapsody]

30. How do you know its not?

[orenbus]

10. Putin: Syria chemical arms handover will work only if US calls off strike

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. tough shit, Putin. Not gonna happen, you asshole.

now get back over to Assad and work out your little chemical weapons inventory plan.

[bobduca]

34. RAWR USA USA USA USA

you are a fucking parody, right?

[snappyturtle]

16. Thank you! I thought about RT but you know how the talk has

been of late about RT...I like it but I know many do not. But, what
better source for what Putin says?

[KoKo]

21. Lots of DU'ers watch RT along with other International News...

I don't think any of us should be ashamed of trying to broaden our Media Viewing. That old Communist Thing...has run its course. Would you want your local library or book store to CENSOR your reading?

Same with News Watching. Enlightened Minds and all that. Only Freepers want to have their news filtered by FAUX/Limbaugh/RW Think Tanks/Drudge and Jerry Falwell and the Fundie Churches.

Hey...Just saying. I don't think any of us should be ashamed to watch RT or the DW/German/French TV America/BBC, AlJazeera or the many other TV from other countries available if one speaks the language.

[snappyturtle]

25. I completely agree with you but last week RT was to be considered

the mouthpiece of Putin and EVIL! some suggested it should not
be used as a LBN source! I kid you not.

[MNBrewer]

27. RT does have certain caveats that need to be taken

but it also provides SOME good information that we don't othewise get here in the US.

[KoKo]

28. I saw that...and the LBN thing I could see...but I pushed back in the other

posts. Mentioning that in the last month I'd seen DU'er Steve Leser who has radio show on debating on RT, and Howard Dean was interviewed along with even NSA Spy Chief from Bush Years...Gen. Michael Hayden...plus lots of Lib Dems who aren't seen (between the endless commercials here on US TV) who get little time with the preening "Hosts and Hostesses" on CNN, etc.) Jimmy Carter was on RT for a Full Enterview...so many that don't get air time here.

So...I think it's just those who still believe that Russia is the "Soviet Union"...BAAAD GUYS and others who get some pay to play here and perhaps just some Repugs who fell away from the other side of the blanket who aren't as open minded as most of us here who want to censor what we watch, read and post. They can be as bad as the old Soviet Union Politboro or the Stasi...at time. ... or sometimes it seems that way

[KoKo]

31. Recommend...Putin Video Watch!

Always good to hear the other side.

[Rex]

13. 'Russian President Vladimir Putin'

So cute to watch Russia PRETEND to be a democracy!

AS IF!

[KoKo]

29. OFGS....n/t

[Hydra]

14. This was always a possibility

Assad obviously wants assurances that if he gives his weapons up he won't wake up with 75k+ US troops at his door next week.

Will we really back off, or will we do a backdoor use of force authorization from the UN?

Tonight's speech is likely to be interesting.

[kenny blankenship]

24. The draft res submitted by France was a backdoor to war.

Like Zipplewrath said in another thread, this is far from over.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3637170
It could be over soon and would be over if the US wants peace. If the US WANTS a war, expect this to drag out for many days until the Pres can wrangle a blank check out of the Senate (yknow for his credibility, so he looks serious) and they will then say Oh but we exhausted every diplomatic alternative. Our good will (LoL) has been trampled on and so now we just have to bomb!

[Hydra]

26. No, this will actually be over if a backdoor is seriously pursued

President Obama has been given a serious out...and if he still wants to go all in, there will be no question he is doing the will of PNAC.

If he does that, his base is gone. Period. Even my die hard Dem relatives who are not very politically aware told me something that spooked me:

"Why is he pushing so hard for this...when we have so many problems at home? Isn't he listening to us?"

[VanillaRhapsody]

32. Oh GMAFB...

still with this?

You people are hilarious though...please continue!

Doom and Gloom...Doom and Gloom! Woe is me...woe is me....the sky is falling....the sky is falling.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. It's safe to say events are unfolding much faster than serious analysis./nt

[snappyturtle]

17. I know! My head is spinning. I actually had to think about

posting this until I was certain of what Putin said. I can
understand both points of view...oh boy.

[snappyturtle]

19. Self kick because I think this is important. nt

[kelliekat44]

20. Putin has to say this no matter what. He doesn't want chemical weapons in his own back yard anymore

than the rest of us. Russia has its own problems with Islamic militants like AQ. The final word will have to come for Assad.

[snappyturtle]

23. If that's the case he should have kept his mouth shut....

but he's saying Syria can't give up it's 'protection' under a threat of
war by the U.S. or its allies. Then the weapons are still in his
backyard.

[sibelian]

33. Kick.