Do you want to know what Ralph Nader really said today on MSNBC?

[Better Believe It]

Or would you rather depend on the old, tired and worn "drive by" anti-Nader personal attacks for your information?

See the actual interview with Nader at:

http://video.msnbc.msn.com/jansing-and-co/46572542/#46572542

[calimary]

1. Not interested in ANYTHING that little weasel has to say.

Never saw ANYBODY shoot himself and all his very good early work squarely in the nuts the way this fellow did.

[Purveyor]

6. agreed. eom

[surfdog]

15. I agree

[grantcart]

46. +1

[BklnDem75]

55. +1 Exactly

Dude has nothing I want to hear.

[Honeycombe8]

64. Ditto. He's done enough damage. A shame his ego got out control. nt

[Solomon]

66. i was about to say, thats what a big ego can do

for you. He used to be a hero to me Now he's an asshole.

[Honeycombe8]

96. Yes. I remember how awe inspiring he was in his earlier days. That was then, though. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

103. Agreed. The bigger shame is that people continue to pimp his ass on sites like DU.

Anyone but the o.p. would be shut down in pretty short order. But alas.....

[ChairmanAgnostic]

2. I really hate teaser posts

when I have some minor inclination to follow up on something, I do, within time constraints. But, when someone posts nothing but a teaser and a link, I say to hell with that.

[bowens43]

3. No. Not really. He's irrelevent and a bit of nut job.

he put bush in office. period. no more needs to be said or considered

[Better Believe It]

9. Is that why an award winning Democratic Party Club is sponsoring a speech by Nader?

[Webster Green]

10. He didn't put Bush in office.

The US Supreme W. Court did that. Period. No more needs to be said or considered.

Case closed!

[Better Believe It]

13. You're suppose to leave the Supreme Court and Joseph Leiberman off the hook and blame Nader!

[Luminous Animal]

31. And the Republican Party gets a complete pass for purging voter rolls...

voter suppression (whatev - it's just a bunch of black people), suppressing the recount, and the Brooks Brothers riot.

[Webster Green]

32. Clinton getting head in the White House had more to do with the outcome than Nader did.

Gore was distancing himself from the sitting president of the same political party. That in itself was a huge negative force in Gore's campaign. A lot of factors contributed to the closeness of the election, but the fact remains that Gore actually won Florida, but our corrupt Supreme Court stopped the vote-counting. That was the bloodless coup' right there, and Nader had nothing to do with it.

[Fumesucker]

67. Clinton left office with the highest end-of-office approval rating of any U.S. president since WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

You can blame a lot of things for the 2000 election, Clinton's unpopularity isn't one of them.

[Behind the Aegis]

111. You need to re-read Webster Green's post.

He didn't blame the loss on Clinton's unpopularity. He (WG) nailed it!

[Fumesucker]

113. If Clinton wasn't unpopular then why was Gore distancing himself?

[Behind the Aegis]

114. Because, unfortunately, that is how Gore was guided.

It was the biggest misstep he made!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

123. Listening to Bob Shrum who has an 0-3 record of getting Democrats elected. Why we continue to listen

to him is baffling!

[Solomon]

69. what you dont get is that no one is giving the other

elements involved a pass by blaming Nadar.

The fact is Nadar's actions allowed those elements to do their dirty work. The Supreme Court would have been irrelevant because there wouldn't have been a case.

The same with the vote cheating. Election has to be close for cheating to work.

Just face it. Nadar fucked up.

[One of the 99]

126. Nader made it possible

for the Supreme Court to put Bush in office. Denying that he was a contributing factor is denying reality.

[sabrina 1]

87. The Subpreme Court put Bush in office. They thank those I'm sure, who protect that crime

by pretending Nader had anything to do with it.

Gore won the election. The SC then stepped in and handed it to Bush.

The Criminals on the SC got away with one of the worst crimes of the last century. Nader had zero to do with that. What he did was legal, what they did was, according to one of America's top prosecutor's, treason.

[DefenseLawyer]

4. I'm going to guess he mentioned something about his website

and donations.

[FSogol]

7. Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

Nader needs $$$$$.

[Better Believe It]

11. A really bad guess on your part. Try again!

[sabrina 1]

88. If he did, I'll be happy to donate to him.

[DefenseLawyer]

98. P.T. Barnum would be pleased. n/t

[Number23]

100. !!

[sabrina 1]

118. P.T.Barnum is a Republican Organization? n/t

[SidDithers]

119. ROFL!!...

Well done.

Sid

[spanone]

5. he said Obama could bring down gas prices by not threatening iran.....what threats?

otherwise he didn't say much

[leftyohiolib]

8. hes like the election year groundhog every 4 years he pulls his head out of his hole

to bash the democrats

[madokie]

45. Yup when he pulls his head out of his a-hole

f**k nader and the corvair that drove him here

[Whisp]

75. and sees the former shadow of himself. n/t

[madokie]

83. Yup

[sabrina 1]

89. No, that is not true. He's been very much involved in issues over the past

several years. His writings on the Constitution and the Press, and the forums he was on with Democrats like John Conyers eg, were excellent. Just as one example.

Should an American citizen be silenced each time there is an election in this country? That would mean no one would ever be allowed to say anything at all. We're always facing an election, or at least that's what we are told. Sshhhhhh, we have an election coming up.

No wonder we cannot solve this country's problems.

[SidDithers]

12. Fuck Ralph Nader...nt

Sid

[FSogol]

17. +1 n/t

[Gold Metal Flake]

26. Fuck Sid Dithers...nt

He was a terrible private eye. Check the Yelp!

[G_j]

37. I'll second that nt

[Electric Monk]

79. So did the jury :O

[AtomicKitten]

14. He's pimping Americans Elect.

Americans Elect is a GOP hedgefund-backed third party and Ralph is jonesing to be their nominee.

[Better Believe It]

19. Is Senator Sanders also "pimping" the Americans Elect website?

You might want to do a little "fact checking" before making such claims unless doing so weakens your personal attack against Ralph Nader.






Most Supported

Ron Paul
3256 Supporters

Jon Huntsman
1708 Supporters

Bernie Sanders
1193 Supporters

https://secure.americanselect.org/candidates

[AtomicKitten]

23. Ralph pimped it in the interview you posted.

The nominees are chosen by those participating (Do they know the governing board can overrule them? My guess is no.). Ralph is on TV pandering for support, Bernie is not.

Stating facts is not a personal attack.

FactCheckMate.

[SidDithers]

28. Apples and Oranges...

AmericansElect is pimping Bernie Sanders as an alternative to Barack Obama.

Ralph Nader promotes the website americanselect.org more than once during the very short interview you posted.

Sid

[ProSense]

33. Americans Elect is a nonpartisan

Americans Elect is a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that is not affiliated with any political party, ideology or candidate. It is funded exclusively by individual contributions—and not from corporate, labor, special interest, foreign, or lobbyist sources. And we intend to repay our initial financing so that no single individual will have contributed more than $10K.

Ultimately, Americans Elect is the first nominating process that will be led directly by voters like YOU.

http://www.americanselect.org/who-we-are

Leadership

Lynn Forester
de Rothschild

CEO, E.L. Rothschild

<...>

Mark McKinnon

President, Maverick Media; former Advisor to President George W. Bush and Senator John McCain

<...>

Douglas Schoen

Douglas E Schoen LLC; Author and Commentator


<...>

Edward L. Weidenfeld

The Weidenfeld Law Firm, PC; former counsel to the Reagan Bush Campaign


Sheila Rabb Weidenfeld

President, DC Productions Ltd; Press Secretary to former First Lady Betty Ford


The Honorable
Christine Todd Whitman

Former Governor, New Jersey; President, The Whitman Strategy Group

[eridani]

101. All Republicans, of course

That's what "non-partisan" means these days. Not to mention which, online voting = election theft, period.

[one_voice]

36. Do you have a link to Senator Sanders...

on the telly talking up Americans-Elect?

[SidDithers]

49. Good luck with that...

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

42. Say anything!

Whether it fits or not.

Quite the dry spell lately, huh?

Finally!

[MineralMan]

50. Didn't watch the video yourself?

Nader mentioned Americans Elect in it.

[MineralMan]

53. No, Bernie Sanders isn't pimping Americans Elect.

But Ralph Nader is, when he's not pimping Ron Paul. Why do you ask?

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. It's Feb 29th, come back again four years from today.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

21. That's pretty much Nader's schedule.

Every four years he reappears in the media's eyes.

[Sherman A1]

18. Thanks for posting

I will watch the video a bit later and listen to what Mr. Nader has to say.

[Better Believe It]

20. So why are the Nader bashers dead silent on his coming speech being sponsored by Democrats?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002364570

[MineralMan]

54. Because the group he's addressing is a

College Democrats Club in Merced, CA. What's there to say about that? Why would anyone comment on that?

[LiberalFighter]

82. There are thousands of Democratic organizations.

50 state Democratic organizations
at least 50 groups representing various groups at the state level
435 congressional Democratic organizations
over 3000 county Democratic organizations
and many other off-shoots of the district and county orgs.

And you talk about a club that might be authorized by the county Democratic organization to function as representative of Democrats?

[Better Believe It]

97. This is a prominent one honored and awarded by the Democratic Party. Under the bus with them!

[Webster Green]

22. Good interview.

Nader was right on the mark, as usual.

Nader haters are afraid to hear the truth, so they blame the messenger.

[surfdog]

63. The truth?

I would want the truth from Nader "why did he run for president" that's my question

If Ralph says it's because he thought he could win then we all know he's a delusional fool.

Why don't you answer that Ralph ? why did you run for president ?

[Better Believe It]

73. Why did Nader run for President? Have you considered reading his candidacy declarations on that?

Some people who want to know why Nader decided to run for President and what Nader's position is on major campaign issues have read his news releases and statements on those matters.

If you want to know what someone says on any issue it's always a good idea to read what they have to say!

I really don't know of any other intelligent way of doing that.

If you have a better method please enlighten me.

Thanks.

[CanSocDem]

25. Thanks for posting.

It's sad when self professed Democrats can't take the time to read or listen to political messages. All Nader does in this interview is promote ALL the very issues that Democrats claim to support. Increased minimum wage, medicare for all, the value of unionism, the stupidity of war with Iran and most importantly, the power of corporatism over the power of the people.

.

[the other one]

27. Group Hate!

My favorite part of the DUay!

[sabrina 1]

91. Sad, isn't it? I don't know why people don't just skip threads that get them so upset.

[Comrade Grumpy]

29. I can understand how Nader may not be the most popular guy on DU.

But this vitriolic obsession with him is sort of pathological.

[LanternWaste]

30. Dogmatic ideologies (whether political or religious) are much easier to hold onto if

Dogmatic ideologies (whether political or religious) are much easier to hold onto if we turn a blind eye to what's being said and done, and simply embrace an emotion-based reality-- it allows us a readily identifiable villain, an easy-to-digest ethical problem with a black-and-white premise and conclusion, and finally, we can simply stick our fingers into our ears to drown out evidence presented to us, such as yours.

"Woo woo" thinking, indeed.

[randome]

34. We REALLY needed a 6th (or is 7th?) thread on Nader.

Let's all agree to ignore the putz, okay?

[Webster Green]

38. No thanks!

Did you watch the interview? Have you ever seen him interviewed, or seen him speak, or read any of his thoughts?

I find that I agree with about 99% of what he has to say. It's mysterious to me how so many "progressives" seem to disagree with him, and show outright hatred for him. Of course, I know that the reason for their hatred is the commonly held delusion that Nader caused the chimp to be president, ignoring the fact that the Supreme Court stopped the vote count and appointed the chimp.

[G_j]

40. this one actually has a link to the real interview

imagine that

[Bobbie Jo]

35. No.

Especially if you're endorsing it.

[progressoid]

39. Other than his pushing Americans Select, he made some good points.

[eridani]

102. He usually does. Sounds much like the WA State Dem party platform

Our problem being that our electeds ignore it way too often.

I am far less concerned with pimping for Americans Elect candidates than I am with pimping for online elections. Do that, and you have just demonstrated that you don't give a rat's ass about actual democracy.

[dana_b]

41. I watched it

and appreciate the link. Thanks.

[white_wolf]

44. I love how so many posters here are admitting their willful ignorance.

"I don't care what he has to say." For all the crap they given right-wingers for being close minded and following the party line, some of the more fervent Obama supporters are no better.

[grantcart]

48. I prefer the wisdom of Carl Pope

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader_presidential_campaign,_2000

Nader promised that he would avoid swing states:

You have also broken your word to your followers who signed the petitions that got you on the ballot in many states. You pledged you would not campaign as a spoiler and would avoid the swing states. Your recent campaign rhetoric and campaign schedule make it clear that you have broken this pledge... Please accept that I, and the overwhelming majority of the environmental movement in this country, genuinely believe that your strategy is flawed, dangerous and reckless.

. . .

On October 26, 2000, Eric Alterman wrote in The Nation, "Nader has been campaigning aggressively in Florida, Minnesota, Michigan, Oregon, Washington and Wisconsin. If Gore loses even a few of those states, then Hello, President Bush. And if Bush does win, then Goodbye to so much of what Nader and his followers profess to cherish."[29]



If Nader had been truthful from the begining he would never have gotten the money or the resources to qualify for all of the ballots and would not have had the resources to campaign. Why would I care to listen to scum that lies at the most important point of his life. Ralph Nader plays on a team that has exactly one player.

I would say that those who continue to give this guy attention are demonstrating their "willful ignorance" and even more so their unlimited gullibility.

[October]

57. There are plenty on the thread who HAVE watched it -- multiple times at that.

So your slam on willful ignorance is interesting.

[white_wolf]

59. Nope there have been several posters who have said they don't care what he says.

People are just wanting a scapegoat for the failed Gore campaign and the actions of the Supreme Court.

[BlueToTheBone]

72. I'm one of them.

He's a pig and a nasty one at that.

I thought about him. Now I need to go scrub my brain...ew

[October]

124. I was pointing out that there have been both types of posts:those who've watched and those who won'

[sabrina 1]

92. Yep! Was it always this way? I didn't notice it until relatively recently.

[Tarheel_Dem]

104. Not nearly as "close minded" as the Obama haters. Six of one, half dozen of the other.

You're no exception.

[white_wolf]

105. Obama hater?

Please, I strongly supported him after he got the nomination in 08, and I have nothing against him as person, but he is not doing a good job. He is far too moderate.

[Tarheel_Dem]

108. Yeah, right.

"He is far too moderate". I hate dishonest people. Like the Republicans, you've chosen to rewrite history. Those of us who "really" supported this president knew he was a moderate. The common complaint of Kooch & Edwards' supporters was that there was little difference between him & Hillary.

You have every right to change your mind, but you do not get make up shit after the fact. He is left of center, and I got exactly what I worked & voted for.

[white_wolf]

109. I hate people who call others dishonest for expressing an opinon they don't agree with.

Here's some free advice: grow up and don't resort to childish insults such as calling people dishonest. In my opinion Obama has been far too moderate, and Obama is not left of center, in Europe he would be a conservative politician, he's only considered left of center because American politics are so right wing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

110. Are you European? I'm not.

And yes, you posted intellectually "dishonest" shit, and I called you on it. Tell me this, why can't you guys break through? I mean, the true progressives? Whose fault is it?

We've been treated to endless runs by Nader, Kucinich, et al, and they are soundly rejected every time. The last poll I saw of VT shows that Pres. Obama would absolutely kill both Bernie Sanders & Howard Dean in their own backyard.

Could it be the American people just ain't buying what you're trying to sell? If all else fails, it sounds like "Europe" might be a better fit for you?

[lumberjack_jeff]

47. No. Not really. n/t

[ProSense]

51. Nader

mentioned two candidates in the interview. More on them here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002364725

Hint: Bernie Sanders wasn't one of them.

[vaberella]

107. de Rothschild is on the Americans Elect list?! Isn't she a racist prick?

Who made many a questionable remark about Obama during the 2008 campaign, forcing HRC to dump her? He's in bed with her---figuratively speaking? Ugh...fuck that shit. I always found Nader questionable on race relations and social issues...this makes me more wary.

[MineralMan]

52. I watched it again, just now. Nader pimped both Ron Paul

and Americans Elect, along with suggesting that people go to Americanselect.org and vote for Nader.

What part of it did you like? The Paul Stuff, or the Americans Elect part? Give us a hint about what you wanted us to listen to in that, and I'll go back and watch it a third time.

So far, though, I say Fuck Ron Paul and Americans Elect is a tool of the right. If that's what Nader supports, well, he can join Ron Paul, as far as I'm concerned.

[Ikonoklast]

56. Are you using Nader as your surrogate for supporting Ron Paul?

Because that is exactly what you are doing.

FUCK RALPH NADER.

[bvar22]

58. Everybody should be interested in what Nader has to say.

Nader has been right far more often than he has been wrong.
Information is neither good or bad.
Absence of information is always bad.




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[ProSense]

60. Here's

Everybody should be interested in what Nader has to say.

Nader has been right far more often than he has been wrong.
Information is neither good or bad.
Absence of information is always bad.

...part of the transcript, if you're "interested."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002364725

[sabrina 1]

121. Most people are. Including some of the best progressive Dems in Congress.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

61. Tsk! Tsk! The vicious traitor said the minimum wage should be raised!!!

[Fumesucker]

68. Off with his head!

How dare that vicious little punk stand up for the 99%!

[ProSense]

70. Which

"The vicious traitor said the minimum wage should be raised!!! "

...one of the two Americans Elect potential candidates taht Nader mentions in the OP clip (at about 4:55 min) will deliver that:

Buddy Romer:

About 5 mins. into clip, Roemer says:

Thank God for the tea party...and thank God for Paul Ryan and the Republican Party and Steve King and others.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/73226294/2012-Presidential-Candidate-Comparison-Chart


David Walker:

David M. Walker (born October 2, 1951) served as United States Comptroller General from 1998 to 2008, and is Founder and CEO of the Comeback America Initiative. He was considered a potential contender for the Connecticut U.S. Senate seat that Joe Lieberman is leaving in 2012, but chose not to run, and said he would maintain his status as an independent. Similarly, he has been promoted as a potential candidate for President, through Americans Elect.

<...>

Walker served as Comptroller General of the United States and head of the Government Accountability Office (GAO) from 1998 to 2008. Appointed by President Bill Clinton, his tenure as the federal government's chief auditor spanned both Democratic and Republican administrations. While at the GAO, Walker embarked on a Fiscal Wake-up Tour,[1] partnering with the Brookings Institution, the Concord Coalition, and the Heritage Foundation to alert Americans to wasteful government spending.[2] Walker left the GAO to head the Peterson Foundation on March 12, 2008.[3] Labor-management relations became fractious during Walker's nine-year tenure as comptroller general. On September 19, 2007, GAO analysts voted by a margin of two to one (897–445), in a 75% turnout, to establish the first union in GAO's 86-year history.

<...>

In 2008, Walker was personally recruited by Peter G. Peterson, co-founder of the Blackstone Group, and former Secretary of Commerce under Richard Nixon, to lead his new foundation. The Foundation distributed the documentary film, I.O.U.S.A.,[4] which follows Walker and Robert Bixby, director of the Concord Coalition, around the nation, as they engage Americans in town-hall style meetings, along with luminaries such as Warren Buffett, Alan Greenspan, Paul Volcker and Robert Rubin.

Peterson was cited by the New York Times as one of the foremost "philanthropists whose foundations are spending increasing amounts and raising their voices to influence public policy."[5] In philanthropy, Walker has advocated a more action-based approach to the traditional foundation: “I do believe, however, that foundations have been very cautious and somewhat conservative about whether and to what extent they want to get involved in advocacy.”[6] David Walker stepped down as President and CEO of the Peter G. Peterson Foundation on October 15, 2010 to establish his own venture, the Comeback America Initiative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_M._Walker_(U.S._Comptroller_General)

[Ikonoklast]

71. But Nader fires employees that want to organize and form a Union.

What a guy.

[we can do it]

62. Fuck nadar

[arthritisR_US]

65. Yes, I did. It was "blah, blah, blah" ad nauseum into oblivion ;-) n/t

[miyazaki]

74. Brundlefly ain't too popular. n/t

[blue neen]

76. It's election season. President Obama is our nominee.

It seems rather counter-productive to be discussing Nader right now, unless you happen to own a Corvair.

It's time to concentrate on electing and re-electing Democrats who are clear about winning office in 2012.

[Fumesucker]

77. The OP is far from the only person on DU putting up posts about Nader..

[blue neen]

80. Okay, then I'd say the same thing to them: It's time to concentrate on re-electing our President.

Thanks!

[Fumesucker]

81. Be my guest...

This is just the first page's worth of Nader OPs...



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002363442

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002363863

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002364725

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002364778

[blue neen]

99. Hmm. It seems that the people who posted those threads already get the idea.

I'm sure you catch my drift.

[Fumesucker]

112. Here's what you said..

"It seems rather counter-productive to be discussing Nader right now, unless you happen to own a Corvair. "

They were discussing Nader, which according to you is counter-productive.

All discussions of Nader are equal but some are more equal than others, eh?

[blue neen]

116. We can have a discussion of semantics all day, but you know what the meaning of my post was.

We need support of the Democratic candidates right now. The other posts did that...this OP did not.

It's time to work together to get Democrats into office.

[Fumesucker]

117. This OP asked if we wanted to know what Nader actually said..

Personally I would rather hear what Nader had to say than some utterly biased spin on what he said.

The ones who turn me off the most on Democrats are those who want to spin every flaw into some great strength.

I had enough of that from the Republicans during the Dubya imperium to make me highly allergic to it from anyone at all.

[Rowdyboy]

78. I could not possibly care less what the dried out piece of shit said today or any day....

When I saw his sickening face on MSNBC I changed the channel to the Comedy Network-at least there the joke was funny.

[sabrina 1]

94. I missed it, thanks for the heads up. I can probably get it on their site. Ralph is always

worth listening to.

[Auntie Bush]

84. No thanks.

[lunatica]

85. To tell the truth

[Hotler]

86. Stay classy DU. n/t

[ProSense]

90. Come on

give the RW more love: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002365894

If Nader can support them, so can you!

[Avalux]

93. No, I don't. n/t

[bluestate10]

95. NO. nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

106. Seems the only ones who approve are you and DU's Ron Paul contingency & they are legion.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. Let me guess. He gave the address where Right Wing Republicans can send him their checks

just like they did in 2004.

[JoePhilly]

120. Did the ground hog see his shadow?

He pops up every 4 years.

[Taverner]

122. Can someone post a transcript?

I am not in a place where I can download video

[Faygo Kid]

125. Waste of time. Are you nuts? Nader is yesterday. Now, Sandra Fluke.

I can't believe this is being refought, at a time that the GOP is going absolutely nuts to destroy our lives and our nation.

OK, Nader probably got Bush elected by running in 2000. And he has about as much relevance to 2012 as Ron Paul.

We better fight hard on another battlefield, namely reelecting Obama and Dems everywhere we can.

[mac56]

127. Who gives a fat rat's ass?

n/m

[fascisthunter]

128. No, only a fool would blame Nader

In order to blame him, you'd have to ignore things like voter suppression, election rigging, and a Supreme Court who appointed a president of the United States.

What's even funnier about the whole BS charade that Nader helped get Bush "SELECTED", is the fact Gore actually won by popular vote, and also won the recount. You have to pretend it was a legit election to blame Nader... but it wasn't, it was stolen.