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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 06:53 AM Sep 2013

Young People's Unhappiness Comes from Our Broken Economic System They Shouldn't Not Shut Up About it

http://www.alternet.org/culture/young-peoples-unhappiness-comes-our-broken-economic-system-and-they-shouldnt-not-shut-about



The media love to analyze millennials. It's almost like there's a competition to see who can rip apart Generation Y in the snarkiest fashion.

But most of this work ends up overly simplistic, ignoring the economic and social forces that shape young people's lives. They almost seem eager to silence millenials’ uneasiness about our world.

The newest addition to this trend, a blog post from Wait But Why that went viral this week, regurgitates this formula by essentially stating that millenials are unhappy because they have higher expectations for their lives than what they can realistically obtain at the moment. Therefore, instead of speaking out about their struggles, they should simply stop feeling unhappy because this is life, and this is what young people have to go through. Basically, cheer up, Lucy — life isn’t so bad.

People have quickly taken to the blogosphere to critique the piece for improperly comparing our generation to our parents’ generation. After all, the piece fails to mention that our parents hadless unemployment, more access to union jobs, a lower uninsured rate for health insurance, cheaper tuition, and cheaper and more accessible home mortgages. They also had a higher average income with a high school diploma alone and made about the same as we make today, despite the dramatic rise in costs and our productivity. Basically, life is pretty bad, and empirically worse for millenials than their parents.

Meanwhile, as The Atlantic noted in a piece titled “Every Every Every Generation Has Been the Me Me Me Generation,” it’s inaccurate to say our generation particularly has feelings of entitlement. Young people in general tend to be a bit more self-absorbed, and therefore every generation goes through that phase. The difference, however, is that our generation actually has it worse, and has in some ways felt less entitled, accepting their looming fate instead of arrogantly demanding more.
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Young People's Unhappiness Comes from Our Broken Economic System They Shouldn't Not Shut Up About it (Original Post) xchrom Sep 2013 OP
There's not a "me me me" generation, there's a "me me me" class. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #1
^^ Bam ^^ n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2013 #3
BINGO! BillyRibs Sep 2013 #11
k/r marmar Sep 2013 #2
My daughter said something to me last night that deeply saddened me. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #4
Sorry but that's crap. tridim Sep 2013 #5
that is sad! maybe a couple months away from internet connection will help. get a landline. Sunlei Sep 2013 #7
Well, an internet connection is not a luxury today. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #9
I disagree. Of course if you're looking for a job, resume/job search is easier. Sunlei Sep 2013 #13
There are quite a lot of jobs that *require* you to apply online. MadrasT Sep 2013 #23
Kidlet was applying for jobs. Every single business that wasn't small required it online. haele Sep 2013 #24
If only there were some sort of device made from ink and bound paper Orrex Sep 2013 #10
Well my daughter an her mate do love to go fishing on Sunday, their one day off. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #12
That's terrific! Orrex Sep 2013 #14
Name some that they can accomplish in the few hours after work while making dinner. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #15
So what's their complaint, exactly? Orrex Sep 2013 #16
My parent's generation, like most generations before theirs canoeist52 Sep 2013 #18
Well, yeah. Orrex Sep 2013 #19
Precisely, so let us at least, not carry water for conservatives by blaming the victims. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #20
Those five sound like a good place to start Orrex Sep 2013 #21
My parents' generation is the first one to not want their kids to be better off tabbycat31 Sep 2013 #22
tiny phone screen would drive me crazy too! get her a TV & antenna..Mr. Ed is on 5am, it's free! :) Sunlei Sep 2013 #28
Stop it, you are just being an asshole. nebenaube Sep 2013 #25
I will not stop being an asshole, thank you very much. Orrex Sep 2013 #26
Doesn't the article mean, "They Shouldn't Shut Up About It?" ITA with the sentiment. raccoon Sep 2013 #6
Kicked and Recommended. nt Enthusiast Sep 2013 #8
I'M saddened if they "accept" it! snot Sep 2013 #17
The reason media types slam the millenials DonCoquixote Sep 2013 #27
Yep, and that's the reason they need to divide us. Fear. canoeist52 Sep 2013 #29

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
4. My daughter said something to me last night that deeply saddened me.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 07:49 AM
Sep 2013

"All we have left that we can afford to do, when we come home from work, is watch funny videos on You Tube - and we''ll keep watching until it isn't free anymore".

This was after our discussion on the way to Verizon to replace yet another one of their electronic failures.

They know the game is rigged.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
5. Sorry but that's crap.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:08 AM
Sep 2013

There are thousands of things to do when you come home from work that don't involve anything electronic or "corporate", she can start with learning an art. Geez, it's not hard.

Again sorry, but giving up on dreams and/or giving in to corporations is what's wrong with America, not the content on the Internet.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
9. Well, an internet connection is not a luxury today.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:33 AM
Sep 2013

Every economic application, whether for job applications, loans, or even access to pay stubs requires an internet connection.
Cant do this stuff with a land line. This generation's phones are their computers.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. I disagree. Of course if you're looking for a job, resume/job search is easier.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:47 AM
Sep 2013

Kids online get slammed with everything on social media these days. Constant online is very depressing, especially for young people.

MadrasT

(7,237 posts)
23. There are quite a lot of jobs that *require* you to apply online.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:58 PM
Sep 2013

I agree with you that people -- especially young people -- over-do it.

The other day I drove past a kids' soccer game and 80% of the adults watching were actually glued to their mobile devices. That made me feel so sad. Why go to your kid's game and then spend your time online on your mobile device instead?

haele

(12,674 posts)
24. Kidlet was applying for jobs. Every single business that wasn't small required it online.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:12 PM
Sep 2013

She could go to the store and talk to the manager about an opening, but the manager could not hire her unless she applied online first. Help Wanted signs in stores often mean there was a store in the area that needed help, not necessarily the store she was walking into. Local newspapers no longer list specific jobs; they list "openings" and the information they give sends the applicant to a phone bank that sends one to a web site or to the web site, not to a manager.

The two jobs she got at the old fashioned walk in and hand them a resume way were at small businesses managed or owned by flakes, the first was part-time seasonal when she was told it would be full-time permanent, and the second was paying her under the table even though she got an official looking printed "payroll check" with a pay slip with her hours and "federal and state taxes removed" printed out on the notes section below the perforation. No W-2 provided at tax time, and he admitted what he was doing when he had to let her go shortly after she asked about it because she wanted to do her own taxes that year. he did hand her cash back for what he took out just to shut her up before she left.
So he was cheating the IRS, the state and her.

Another thing is college applications - even if you're going to community college, most of the logistics - registration, class schedules and sign-up, homework assignments, quizzes, grades, handouts - are done online through the college site, Blackboard and/or Moodle, and if you are going to apply for a Pell grant or federal student loan, the financial offices send you to the online applications. Yes, you can still stand in line and do all of above, but colleges have used the internet to reduce the number of staff available, so time to get into a class before it fills up, or get a Pell Grant in time to pay for the first semester of the year is not possible for many students.

Online applications has been the way jobs and higher education access have gone for high-school graduates since 2011. While many of the older people are still able to get positions through networking and using the company computer, to get "a foot in the door" requires more than walking in and having a face to face.

Internet is no longer a luxury for those starting out. Unless you're looking at getting a job in a family business or a day-labor type temp job, it's pretty much a requirement.

Haele

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
10. If only there were some sort of device made from ink and bound paper
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:34 AM
Sep 2013

Or maybe some vast region located on the other side of the home's entry door.



If only...

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
12. Well my daughter an her mate do love to go fishing on Sunday, their one day off.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:43 AM
Sep 2013

After the equipment investment, this is still free for them.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
14. That's terrific!
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:55 AM
Sep 2013

However, the point is that there are plenty of no-fee activities even on the other six days of the week.

It's rather like my six year old complaining that there's nothing to eat when we have a fridge and cupboard full of food!

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
15. Name some that they can accomplish in the few hours after work while making dinner.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:05 AM
Sep 2013

The point is, their phones are their TV, internet and communication. They can't afford cable, land-line and internet service.
A little understanding goes a long way and calling Millennials six-year-olds will not earn Democrats any support at the polls.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
16. So what's their complaint, exactly?
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:40 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:15 AM - Edit history (1)

That they, like everyone else, shouldn't expect people to entertain them for free?
That they, like everyone else, have only limited time available to them?
That they, like everyone else, needs to realize that there's a world outside of their phone?

Boo hoo hoo.

If she dropped her phone in the toilet and thereafter couldn't use it, would she simply sit on the floor and stare into space? Or would she somehow find some other way to occupy her time? I rather suspect the latter. Now all she needs to do is pretend she flushed her phone, and the possibilities will miraculously present themselves.


I wasn't calling your millennial a six year old, by the way. I was pointing out that your millennial's complaint is the same as the complaints that my six year old makes. You are free to draw your own conclusions from this.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
18. My parent's generation, like most generations before theirs
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 10:42 AM
Sep 2013

wanted a better world for their children than they had. What kind of person tells the next generation to just suffer in silence. This is the same message I hear from my conservative friends ("just suck it up&quot .

The problem is that we're getting paid less for their work and cost of living for most of us has become out of reach.

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
19. Well, yeah.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:10 AM
Sep 2013

I don't know how old your parents are, but the boomer generation certainly didn't implement any policies with the intent to make things better for any subsequent generations.

And no one's saying that millennials should suffer in silence. I'm simply saying that having to entertain yourself without a phone doesn't count as suffering.


I'd love to leave the world in better shape than it was when it was dumped on my generation. If you can tell me how to do it, I'll be happy to help. But likening me to your conservative friends and complaining that your li'l millennial has to entertain herself for a few hours each day is no way to generate sympathy for your cause.

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
20. Precisely, so let us at least, not carry water for conservatives by blaming the victims.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 11:45 AM
Sep 2013

My parent were of the FDR's Greatest Generation. I support continuing the policies they created. Let's not divide the people by pitting one generation against another when these policies will raise the standard of living for all of us.

Strong unions
Affordable healthcare
Livable wages
Access to jobs
Affordable education

What policies are YOU willing to help with?

Orrex

(63,220 posts)
21. Those five sound like a good place to start
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:23 PM
Sep 2013

Not sure how I can help, honestly. My legislators don't listen to me and I can't influence policy.


What do you recommend for effecting change?

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
22. My parents' generation is the first one to not want their kids to be better off
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 12:48 PM
Sep 2013

My parents are boomers (both born in 1949) and working as a political strategist and talking to at least thousands of voters of all ages (from convincing an 18 year old to register to persuading seniors), I can say that the Boomer generation is very selfish (at least when it comes to political issues). Many in my parents generation are moving into 55+ communities because they're forever bitching about paying school taxes (I've heard the line 'my kids are grown and gone why should i have to pay for the schools' several times and actually told a state legislative candidate to not focus so much on education because the district was mostly 50+). I see a very "I got mine f*** you attitude" from many Boomers I've talked to.

But it was the Boomers and their elders who elected Reagan and started this trend (I was an infant when Reagan was elected). Previous generations were able to attend college and get a decent paying job upon graduation and not be saddled with debt. My mom is having trouble understanding why my cousin (19) can't pay her tuition by waiting tables. Even if salaries did keep pace with inflation (waitresses are paid $2.13 before tips) college tuition has risen several times the rate of inflation. A summer job and a work study job was enough for my mom to pay her tuition at a private college.

At 33, I'm either a millennial or Gen X depending on who you ask (I identify much more with the former--- although when on the cusp you can identify as either). I don't know a world where a college degree is a ticket to a good paying job. THe big box store I worked at while in college still starts their associates at the same salary they started people at when I started there in 2000.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
28. tiny phone screen would drive me crazy too! get her a TV & antenna..Mr. Ed is on 5am, it's free! :)
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:40 AM
Sep 2013
 

nebenaube

(3,496 posts)
25. Stop it, you are just being an asshole.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:43 PM
Sep 2013

The 'world' does not work that way anymore. Big Brother can't track that.

raccoon

(31,119 posts)
6. Doesn't the article mean, "They Shouldn't Shut Up About It?" ITA with the sentiment.
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 08:11 AM
Sep 2013

"Young People's Unhappiness Comes from Our Broken Economic System -- And They Shouldn't Not Shut Up About It "

snot

(10,530 posts)
17. I'M saddened if they "accept" it!
Wed Sep 18, 2013, 09:50 AM
Sep 2013

With all their awareness of the forces that seek to influence them, do they not recognize that t.p.t.b. want them to feel powerless, though they're not?

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
27. The reason media types slam the millenials
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:59 AM
Sep 2013

Is because the Media types know, deep down, that they are a major reason why the Millenials have it bad. They know that if Gen X and the Milennials get together, they will want to hang people from the trees!

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
29. Yep, and that's the reason they need to divide us. Fear.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:48 AM
Sep 2013

Otherwise they'd not spend the time and effort here in this thread mocking and shaming.

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