No More Half-Ass Gun Control purposals, please

[Cryptoad]

Our Gun Culture problem can only be solved by complete far reaching gun control

its simple,,,,,,,,,,

1. Register all guns at the Federal Level

2. Title Ownership of all guns to their owners from the the Manufacturers to the Owners just like automobiles .

3. Make all gun owners accountable for what happens with their guns


Only after these three things happen can guns be truly controlled!

[wercal]

1. Which one of these would have stopped the latest shooting?

[Robb]

3. Which latest shooting?

Every day before and since the shipyard 30-40 get shot.

"Since bandaids do not stop sucking chest wounds, we should abandon the use of bandaids."

[former9thward]

4. Take your pick.

Which of the three would stop any shooting?

[Cryptoad]

9. It about changing our culture

I did not suggest that any or all of the three would stop the shooting completely

These are steps that must be taken before any gun control will be affective.

Change the the Gun Culture and Reduce Shootings.

[wercal]

23. Well you've just spilled the beans.

A gun registry is just a precursor to further gun control.

[Robb]

30. ...

[wercal]

32. Not so fast

Look at the first panel of your cartoon...'sensible gun reform'.

You know what, according to Cryptoad, that is just code for 'setting up a registry so we can do MORE later'.

So why am I the 'nut' for asking what's the end game? Don't insult people's intelligence by proposing incremental 'controls' that just serve as stepping stones to the 'final solution'.

I challenge the gun grabbers to lay all their cards out on the table. What is your end game? If your goal is outright confiscation, say so! Don't try to be cute and mock people like me for not 'buying in' to 'moderate gun controls' like a registry...if your intention is to do a whole lot more.

[Xyzse]

13. None but it puts the aspect of responsibility and maturity in it

See, the OP's proposal to me doesn't go far enough.

Registering guns is important so that it can also be insured.

Insurance is needed for guns because if there are any accidents, litigation or otherwise, it can bankrupt the owner or victim. So transferring of guns from seller to buyer should be also allowed, but they have to go through a transfer of deed, much like a vehicle.

Secondly, guns need to be handled with respect, and as such, those that want them need training and be registered for the express purpose of being called in a militia if need be. That is what the 2nd amendment asks for right? Many tend to overlook that part of 2A.

Why is this necessary? So that they know how to store, maintain and use one properly. Like, not using a damn high powered rifle in a suburban area where the bullets could go through walls and hit the neighbor.

Besides, if people actually get called in to a militia, I'd rather not have a bunch of idiots shooting themselves and their allies as they handle their tools.

My question to you is, how many shootings could be prevented if people actually feel a responsibility for their armaments?

It is disgusting how little respect people have for their tools.

[tridim]

2. I like the title idea.

Every gun in the world should have a title. No resale without it. If you are caught selling, purchasing or firing an untitled gun, it should be a felony with a mandatory minimum sentence.

[Cryptoad]

5. yaalSir!

I like the felony with min time!

[BainsBane]

6. Did you pay attention to the last go around in the Senate?

What you suggest is simply not going to get passed. That is a fact. I say we focus on getting universal background checks.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Not to pick a fight but a security clearance is a lot tougher than a BGC.

And Alexis did pass a BGC when he purchased his gun at the store. We need better enforcement. He never should have been allowed to buy that shotgun.

[BainsBane]

11. As Robb says, there have been a good 40-80 gun deaths since that shooting

the point isn't to stop an already dead man from buying another gun but to increase public safety overall. Some, however, are intent that criminals have steady access to guns so they oppose expanded background checks.

[sarisataka]

12. It seems his clearance

was a left over from his time in the Navy; it was not revoked when he was discharged.

One would think his previous gun related issues would have flagged him in NCIS with at least a delay if not denial. Both you and BB are correct here, we need BGCs and we need good data base info so they will catch those who have no business possessing guns.

[Lee-Lee]

20. We need to also go after those who get turned down

If you fill out the yellow form you are stating under penalty of perjury, Federal perjury, that you are qualified to own a firearm.

So barring the rare circumstance where a person can be a felon, have a restraining order against them, be dishonorably discharged, etc and somehow not know it every single time somebody gets turned down that is a felony.

So you have 50,000-80,000 cases PER YEAR where a person who is barred from owning a gun by law is actively seeking to obtain one and commits an easily provable and prosecutable felony.

And in 99% of cases we do- nothing. The person prohibited from owning a gun is simply sent away with a "no". No follow up, no prosecution, no check to make sure they have not tried to steal a gun, do a straw purchase, or buy a stolen one. No check to make sure they don't already have any guns. Just pretend since they were told no they will just forget all about getting a gun.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

7. A man with a security clearance bought his own gun and went on a suicidal spree.

This wouldn't be a half-assed proposal, this would be whole.

[GalaxyHunter]

10. why not open a new branch of Government to take care of all this?

call it The Gun Control Police?

Yeah, that would make me feel real safe.

[Boom Sound 416]

14. There is no federal automobile registry

[Cryptoad]

15. Did somebody claim that there was?

[Boom Sound 416]

19. Indirectly yes

The call was for a nation registry that tracks guns from manufacturer to owner like automobiles.

[BainsBane]

26. What do you think your vin number is?

[Boom Sound 416]

35. That's a good point,

But I don't think that data threads through the federal govt.

But it may be a federal standard, because it's and international standard.

[NickB79]

36. All firearms are already required to have serial numbers

Which have the same purpose as a VIN number.

[RZM]

16. What do you mean by 'make accountable?'

If you're on vacation and your house is robbed and the the robber shoots someone with a gun they took from your house, the original owner is accountable for that shooting?

[Cryptoad]

17. I dont think that is reasonable unless,,,,,,,,,

it could all depend on whether the owner took due diligence to see that the gun was secure.

If the gun was just stored in a unlocked desk,,,,, yea the own should be held accountable.

[RZM]

18. As opposed to a locked desk?

Is it that hard to break open a desk? I'm sure many experienced burglars could do it pretty easily.

This would go nowhere. Even the most progressive Dems in Congress would find it laughable.

[Robb]

21. Easy. You get X number of thefts per year.

If you keep more than X in your home, you'd better take exceptional precautions against theft. Because if you start losing a lot of guns, well, you might indeed be part of the problem.

[LittleBlue]

22. No thanks

Make all gun owners accountable for what someone else does with their gun? I'd rather just charge the shooter with the crime.

[BainsBane]

27. Yeah, why make it illegal to give guns to fellons

Everyone should be able to profit from any and all forms of bloodshed.

[LittleBlue]

29. Would you want to be charged if

someone stole or borrowed your car and used it in a bank robbery?


Of course not. This is a fanatasy.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. I'm not convinced that this would do much good.

I think that if you want to reduce the number of gun deaths, you need to reduce the number of guns - probably fairly dramatically, because I think the people you most want to take guns away from will be among the last to give them up.

I think we've got it about right here in the UK; I'm not convinced that any form of gun control compatible with the second amendment will do all that much good.

[Jenoch]

25. A federal gun registry of non-NFA weapons is against federal law.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926

[DanTex]

28. Which is why the law should be changed...

[Lee-Lee]

31. And interestingly the NFA registry, only for a tiny fraction of guns, is horribly error ridden.

I saw an example where an estate had a Thomspon. They contact the Sheriffs office, we advised them to search for paperwork and sent the serial # to the BATFE while we held on to it. They came back claiming it was unregistered and would need to be destroyed.

A few weeks later they found the paperwork, it was indeed registered in the 80's, and the BATFE had zero idea that it even existed but acknowledged that the paperwork was valid. I have seen reports that they BATE admitted to Congress they can't say for sure how many registered machine guns are out there.

I can only imagine the huge undertaking to do this. Unlike vehicles guns are not worn out and typically junked after 10-15 years, serial numbers are not done by manufacturer so there are many duplicates (run a weapon serial # that is short and you will often get a hit that it is stolen, only to get more details and find it is a different make and model that shares the same serial # that was stolen), some older guns have no serial #, etc.

And then you would have the problem of massive noncompliance. So many would refuse to do it, that would move what were normally law abiding people into a mindset of having less respect for the law and government- much like drug prohibition does now.

[Jenoch]

34. The long gun registry in Canada was a complete failure because of non-compliance.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

33. It's like this....

1) Implement useless minor gun control measures

2) Mass shooting happens

3) Republicans scream "look we told you, gun control doesn't work".

4) Repeat.