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cali

(114,904 posts)
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:10 AM Oct 2013

Repukes are hoping that if they hold out they can get Reid to Fold.

The same question keeps popping up: Why doesn’t Speaker John Boehner just pass a “clean” continuing resolution to fund the government? It’s a ubiquitous query at the Capitol, and it was asked many times this afternoon as House Republicans left their closed-door conference meeting. But most Republicans, when pressed by reporters, rolled their eyes. They know what Boehner knows: A clean CR has never been an option. Peter King of New York and his allies may want one, but the leadership privately believes it’d almost certainly raise tensions within the ranks and cripple their negotiating position.

Instead, the leadership is digging in for an extended impasse with Senate Democrats. Based on my latest conversations with insiders, their plan isn’t to eventually whip Republicans toward a clean CR and back down after a few days of messaging the shutdown, as some have believed; it’s to keep fighting, and, in the process, preserve the House GOP’s fragile unity — and maybe, if they’re lucky, win a concession from Senate majority leader Harry Reid.

But that unity, more than anything, is critical for Boehner, especially as the debt limit nears. Per his allies, his fear is, if he brings up a clean CR, he’d be seen as conceding to Reid, who’s seen as the villain of villains within the House GOP. Thirty to forty conservatives would likely revolt against such a maneuver, and so would their backers in the conservative movement. In the press, he’d likely be cheered for a profile in courage; within the House, the decision would be seen by his critics on the right as a betrayal of the highest order. There is nothing they detest more than the idea of caving, and Boehner knows that.

Now, Boehner is aware that, on paper, potentially more than 100 House Republicans would be open to a clean CR should he bring one to the floor. But the internal chaos such a move could cause could be devastating, and with a major debt-limit battle approaching, he won’t let a CR vote divide his conference. That’s also why, on Monday, he took to the floor to personally whip the rule vote for his final CR proposal. He wanted to make sure King wasn’t creating a stir with his clean-CR pitch, and he wanted to remind members that sticking together was the key to surviving a showdown.

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http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/360122/holding-firm-robert-costa

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Repukes are hoping that if they hold out they can get Reid to Fold. (Original Post) cali Oct 2013 OP
Good strategy brucefan Oct 2013 #1
I disagree and I don't think Harry Reid will fold on this. cali Oct 2013 #2
This may be it. earthside Oct 2013 #3
This is the strategy according to Congressman Rigell (SP) on Bloomberg Business KoKo Oct 2013 #5
It's time for people to stop pretending that Boehner believes in governing and is being geek tragedy Oct 2013 #4
Looks like there is more ugly on the flamingdem Oct 2013 #6
If the do, they can. Orsino Oct 2013 #7
Republicans are holding out because this is what they want. Jakes Progress Oct 2013 #8
Agree that "Obamacare/ACA" is the smokescreen for starved government. KoKo Oct 2013 #9

earthside

(6,960 posts)
3. This may be it.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:27 AM
Oct 2013

It may be hard to believe, but this fight is really, really pumping-up the extreme radical Repuglican-Tea Party faction.

From what I am hearing and reading from right-wing acquaintances, relatives ... and on right-wing web sites, radio, etc., this is rapidly being perceived by the fascist element as perhaps their best opportunity to stage what effectively would be a coup.

I think the mainstream media and Democrats have been way too benevolent towards Boehner -- he is a Gingrich acolyte, he was a chief instigator of the so-called check kiting scandal back in the 1980s -- I think Boehner is fully with the House Tea Party cadre.

Costa in the article is correct -- there isn't going to be a 'clean' CR presented in the House.
These Repuglicans are heading straight towards the debt ceiling deadline with two objectives: capitulation by Pres. Obama and the Senate for the Ryan budget and/or the evisceration of the ACA ... or to crash the economy and the federal government with the expectation that finally Pres. Obama and the Democrats will be blamed and totally discredited.

I have begrudgingly even come to the conclusion that violence would be acceptable to this bunch if it furthered their quest for power.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
5. This is the strategy according to Congressman Rigell (SP) on Bloomberg Business
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:40 AM
Oct 2013

this a.m. They are going for the whole enchilada. Want to push together the time frame for Budget and the Debt Ceiling for the Grand Compromise. Said that if they hold out for the Budget they can move up the Debt Ceiling and get it all done in less time.

Rigell is Repug from Virginia...and has a lot of military in his district.

We shall see. Also, according to Bloomberg Business... the heads of Goldman-Sachs,(Vampire Squid, Loyd Blankfein) CitiBank, and JP Morgan (Jamie Diamon) are on their way to meeting with President Obama. Obama is hoping to have them apply pressure to the Repug Congresscritters they donated to. I wondered if Jamie will ask PBO to intervene with Holder at Justice on JP Morgan investigations in a trade for his cracking Congresscritters heads for dropping their demands.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. It's time for people to stop pretending that Boehner believes in governing and is being
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:30 AM
Oct 2013

dragged into this by the Tea Party.

They're the suicide bombers, and he's bin Laden.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
7. If the do, they can.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:49 AM
Oct 2013

I just don't think they think they can afford the political fallout that's coming. I don't believe they have a long game to play.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
8. Republicans are holding out because this is what they want.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:52 AM
Oct 2013

Obamacare is the smoke screen. They want starved government. The shut down is exactly what they wanted all along. They planned for it. They think it is a good thing. The longer they hold out, the happier their owners will be.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
9. Agree that "Obamacare/ACA" is the smokescreen for starved government.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 11:00 AM
Oct 2013

They've cleverly whipped it up as the ACA that's supposedly their problem with the budget. They are very good at smokescreening what they do... Been at it for decades and have much help from their Think Tanks, Wall Street and their powerful benefactors.

Drunk with Power and Drunk with Booze... Hopefully they have reached (or staggered) too far this time...but, I'm not optimistic.

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