who is less repulsive?....the republicans who voted against the shutdown

[SwampG8r]

or the democrats who voted for it?
from what I understand 7 democrats signed onto this with the republicans
I am looking for the actual vote tally but if this is true will someone remind me again how important the blue dogs are?

[Mass]

1. It is nine and they voted after the bill got a majority.

Still wrong, but they are not responsible for the bill passing. The GOP had his 50 % on his own.

Most of the 12 Republicans who voted AGAINST the latest House bill did not vote against the shutdown. They wanted a LARGER shutdown. Had King succeeded delivering his 25 guys, it is likely the 9 Dems would have voted NO as well.

[hobbit709]

3. That still doesn't excuse their vote.

[Mass]

4. Which is exactly what I said in my post

But there is virtually NO Republican who voted AGAINST the shutdown (King and one other one, that is all). So, the question asked is moot.

[SwampG8r]

5. i have heard there were 6

repubs who voted no
but I still cant find the actual vote tally
I don't understand why
usually these votes are easy to find but I am stymied here on the actual vote

[Mass]

7. Go to House.gov

The latest bill had 12 no votes. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll504.xml but most of these votes were because the law did not cut Obamacare enough, not because they wanted to prevent the shutdown (Bachman and Gohmert are among them).

The vote to suspend the rules had 6 Republicans opposing http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll502.xml . It was also mostly Republicans who opposed not killing Obamacare.

[SwampG8r]

8. page cannot be found

I believe you but as I said for some reason I am stymied on getting the info on this
its getting kind of funny to me
thank you for the links tho I will check them in a while
maybe they will be there for me


eta:the second link now is coming thru for me
this is way weird its like I have a politics specific virus or something here

[Mass]

9. The links wwe wrong when I posted it first. It should work now. (It works for me)

[SwampG8r]

10. so you were just screwing with me?

lol j/k
I do have something weird going on between me and gov websites today but its nice to know its not all me

[daleanime]

2. ........

[Bluenorthwest]

6. They are Blue Dogs or 'Moderates' so I expect them to vote with the other side

and they did. I'm sure their fellows on DU will come to explain that by voting for the shutdown they really meant to oppose the shutdown, because that's what they always do to explain why their cohort is with the GOP.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

11. I wish more people knew how vote counting and politics works

Some here act as if this is their first rodeo.

[LTR]

12. They're covering their asses

Someone explained a few days ago here that some blue dogs come from very red district, where voters would likely be against the ACA. So, when it looks like the House GOP has enough votes anyway to pass the poison pill resolution, the blue dogs will typically get the go-ahead to vote with the GOP. It's a meaningless vote, but it looks good back home.

[Lucinda]

13. This. ^

I was about to post the same.

[MuseRider]

14. I live in one of those districts

however I do not at this time have a Democrat representative.

My take on this? If someone is a Democrat in a red district then they had better do their jobs 10x's better than a Dem in a blue district. If these blue dogs had done their job of talking to and educating their districts they would not have "had" to do this to remain safe. They evidently did it well enough to get elected.

NO excuses.