"Meeting" is not "Caving."

[WilliamPitt]

Go outside. Take a breath. Wait and watch.

I'm pretty sure the president is not going to fold with two aces down and two more on the table, especially since Boehner is holding a seven-three off-suit.

Wait and watch.

[uppityperson]

1. Seriously. People are so used to dictators or the party of No running roughshod that they do not

understand this.

[we can do it]

2. Thank you.

[geek tragedy]

3. Here's a picture of Macarthur caving to the Japanese military

[FSogol]

12. And Washington "caving" to Cornwallis

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

20. And while we're at it, here's Grant caving to Lee at Appomattox.

[hlthe2b]

4. He would have to be incredibly stupid to cave...

and I do not believe Obama to be a stupid man.

[spanone]

5. no shit....the bashing begins...

[kydo]

6. People should listen to Mr Pitt

While my post count is low, I've been a member of DU since shortly after Kerry lost to W. And I learned over the years that there are certain people that post here, that it is wise to listen to when they post. WilliamPitt is one of those.

[Buddaman]

27. Same here.........

There's a lot politically savvy people here at DU....Cali, Are Grits Grocery's, KPTE, EarlG etc. This is my second home...

[Rex]

7. Eggsactly!

We don't even know what is going on! Seriously people, wait and see.

[HappyMe]

8. Thank you.

I don't understand why people jump to ridiculous conclusions almost immediately.

[Auggie]

9. He can't cave. The reminder of his term would be nearly untenable.

[libdem4life]

10. It could be considered pushing his advantage.

[SidDithers]

11. At DU3 it is...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

16. +1

IMPEACH!

[kentuck]

13. 7 of clubs and a 3 of diamonds...

And they don't know when to fold..

[berni_mccoy]

14. Will, we're used to getting screwed by the River card.

Makes betting on even pocket aces scary.

[DCBob]

15. The President needs to show he's involved and who knows the Rethugs might just give in...

if they are shown some respect by simply meeting with them to discuss their concerns.

[cali]

17. Agreed and thanks for posting this, Will

k&r

[awoke_in_2003]

18. Maybe he needs to explain...

face to face, exactly what is meant by "go pound sand up your ass"

[tosh]

36. !!

[randome]

19. People are understandably afraid, and that drives assumptions that the worst will happen.

But I agree. The only cave I expect to see is when the GOP votes for a clean budget.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[mysuzuki2]

21. You are right.

BUT, if the President gives in to their demands it is over. There will never be healthcare reform. They will do the same thing over and over again until their extreme minority is ruling the country.

[Phillyindy]

22. There is NO POINT...

In meeting unless you plan on negotiating. NONE.

[WilliamPitt]

23. Tell that to Don Corleone

who had lots of meetings.

[el_bryanto]

24. First of all, that's silly. There's a battle to be won in public opinion.

Refusing to meet gives fuel to the bogus Conservative Claim that Obama and Democrats refuse to meet or negotiate.

Secondly of course there will be negotiating. They have the House - the current understanding is that they have to agree to a debt ceiling increase (which is what I think this meeting is about). What we don't want to see is capitulation.

Bryant

[Rex]

26. My, how unsurprising you would be saying that.

[Arkana]

29. Oh really?

Tell me, do you honestly think President Obama's going to sell the ACA down the river? Do you REALLY think that this has even the slightest chance of becoming reality?

[oldtime dfl_er]

25. The President always plays a long game

I'm not smart enough to figure out what he's going to do, or if he's going to offer some negotiating tidbit, but he's probably got something up his sleeve. Maybe it'll just be "I promise I won't tell the world what an alcoholic you are". But I've come to believe that President Obama is pretty damn smart in these kinds of situations, almost Spock-like in his ability to think five and six moves ahead.

If it was me, I'd just keep my boot to the throats of Boehner and the suicide caucus until they cry uncle, but I'm not known for my subtlty.

[Richardo]

28. ..as I posted yesterday...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=607847

[rl6214]

30. Many have a hard time understanding this

Just because he is meeting with these people doesn't mean they are going to get anything out of this.

[JoeyT]

31. Meeting is good PR.

It makes him look reasonable while making them look like someone that takes hostages to get their demands met, then shoots the hostages anyway.

Cautious optimism is warranted, IMO.

[AgingAmerican]

32. I hope you're right

...but all we have to go by are past actions.

[Puglover]

33. Agreed.

[Blaukraut]

34. No, but it makes for a good day of trying to be clever on DU, posting cave pictures n/t

[grahamhgreen]

47. Cave:

[lark]

35. Will I respect your position, and hope you are right.

However, since the president "negotiated" cuts in SSI and no tax increase on the rich during the first time debt ceiling/budget snafu, it's hard to trust him now. All of a sudden, he's actually not going to give away the store as he has done repeatedly before? I definitely understand why people would distrust this. Actions speak louder than words and his actions on these issues in the past have been awful. Luckily for us, Repugs can't take yes for an answer so some of the worst proprosals haven't turned into laws because of their total stupidity.

I'm waiting, Mr. President, please show us that you really do have a spine.
The country needs for you to stand tough.

[grahamhgreen]

37. First, we give them the medical device tax, then, slowly eat away the rest of the ACA til

we are left with nothing but the mandate....

At least, I had that nightmare, hopefully it will not happen

[bklyncowgirl]

38. If Obama offers them the medical device tax they most likely will reject his offer.

This makes him look good and them look like the unreasonable terrorists they are. If by some slim chance they accept his offer, they will still be capitulating big time. They will also be excoriated by their base. None of these are particularly bad things by the way.

[think_critically]

43. trade it for immigration reform

I said something about this in a previous thread and got flamed for it but he ought to offer them the medical device tax for an up or down vote on immigration reform and tell them to take it or leave it. If he could do that he would preserve Obamacare, end the shutdown and debt ceiling fight and pass immigration reform in one fell swoop. Sounds like winning to me.

[grahamhgreen]

48. They'll do immigration reform, they love cheap labor, IMHO.... No less than a public option:) PLUS

30 billion in those lost revenues from ending corporate welfare.

[Crewleader]

39. I don't think the president will cave either or should.

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BTW William thought you would like to see this:

Happy Birthday NASA—Now Shut Down

As Congress Bickers, the Space Agency Is Grounded




http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131001-nasa-shutdown-canceled-maven-space/?source=hp_dl2_news_nasa_shutdown_20131002

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

40. Yeah but the "hair on fire" crowd will still call it such.

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[NCTraveler]

41. In the past, when Obama is about to back off of a position(cave),

his administration normally floats a couple of trial balloons. These balloons are normally pretty bad in comparison to what he actually does give up. I have not seen that happen here.

[politicat]

42. Thank you. N/T

[arthritisR_US]

44. Thank you! I so agree :) n/t

[AtomicKitten]

45. I called Dick Durbin's office today.

I was concerned about what appeared to be softening on alleged negotiations with the House GOP Insane Clown Posse.

Advised this strategy:

[bvar22]

46. I agree. Meeting with Republicans is not "caving",

but past cavings have been preceded by Meetings with Republicans,
so apprehensions about this meeting are legitimate based on past performance.
In fact, anyone who is not the slightest bit apprehensive at this point haven't been paying attention, or don't care about policy.

[Kablooie]

49. You're right. Spelunking is caving.