It Will Come To Two Choices. Default Or Stop Affordable Care Act Completely For Now

[TheMastersNemesis]

The GOP will default and keep government unfunded permanently rather then let the ACA continue. They would rather kill everyones future rather than let it go forward given the chance. We need to understand how sick these people are.

And we have to be prepared to get ugly with these legislators at some point. Otherwise we are toast.

[liberal N proud]

1. You think they subscribe to the scorched earth theory?

[TheMastersNemesis]

7. I Really Do Believe That They Believe In Scorched Earth

If you watch all the games for the last 7 years and how it effected the economy and individual it would be hard to conclude otherwise.
When you are wiling to cut food stamps and programs that will lead to widespread misery and enjoy it you are capable of anything.

[rurallib]

18. we have been burned time after time thinking there is no way

they will do the very worst. they have done the very worst time after time.
They have no sense of fairness for anyone but themselves.
Do not underestimate them.

[kestrel91316]

30. Yes. Because they have the money and the land and the power.

They want us dead.

[AlinPA]

42. Sarcasm, right? The teabaggers run the show now in the US House and they don't even understand what

the debt limit is. Stupid people will do stupid things.

[Motown_Johnny]

43. I think it is worse than that

It doesn't matter what we do or don't do. They are trying to do damage and the damage is the point. Fighting over the ACA is just convenient for them. Fighting over the debt, or most anything else will work just as well.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023765595

^snip^


I think this is really a power struggle within the Republican Party.

I also now believe that it won't end until one side wins and that side will most probably be the Teabaggers.

The Teabaggers honestly believe that Romney and McCain were not conservative enough and that the way to help this country, and their party, is to make sure that the same mistake never happens again.


They want to damage the traditional Republicans so that more of their ilk can primary them and eventually win their way into Congress. The traditional (R)s are screwed. If they are sensible then they get attacked on the right and if they aren't they get attacked on their left. They have chosen to defend their right flank because being attacked from the left is what they are used to. The thing is that this time it is going to far.

The Republican Party is broken and some now seem to think that it must be destroyed before it can be rebuilt (or replaced). I'm all for destroying the Republican Party but I think it is inevitable anyways. I would rather see a more gradual decline than the short term destruction that we are witnessing now. The entire country is paying a price for this one.

[unblock]

2. this is a choice without a choice. they know obama can't agree to any of this.

hey, let us strangle your baby or we'll starve your pa.

what? "no"? "he won't compromise"! the shutdown is HIS fault!

[Drale]

3. It will never come to default because

the President will invoke the 14th amendment when it comes down to it and the Republicans are gonna let us go over the cliff.

[bunnies]

4. That would leave Obama no choice but to go all 14th amendment.

Im quite confident he's not going to let the teabaggers drag us all down.

[duffyduff]

5. It's not an either/or. It's a matter of how much Obama "compromises."

Can you imagine FDR or Harry Truman or LBJ willing to "reach across the aisle" with a gang of fascists?

This is smelling more and more like kabuki theater.

[JoePhilly]

24. Is Obama is going to cut Social Security again?

[Puzzledtraveller]

6. Prepare to get ugly?

What's your angle here?

[TheMastersNemesis]

9. Open Protest Of GOP Policies

At least publicly protest. The silence of the public is amazing.

[Dreamer Tatum]

11. This is par for TMN's course.

He seems to have fantasies about Republicans suffering and denying them help because they deserve to die.

Look it up.

[Coyotl]

8. What hyperbole!

Black or white.

[TheMastersNemesis]

13. I Don't Believe My Post Is Hyperbole When They Are Chanting Stop Obamacare

relentlessly. In just about every forum GOPPERS are saying they will halt the process no matter what. They believe if they delay it they kill it. They are trying to box Obama into a dilemma.

[Coyotl]

16. The ACA is just their ruse for shutting down the government. They just want to shut down the USG.

Refocus on WHY they want USG shut down.

[AlinPA]

10. The GOP wants a default.The teabaggers are running the GOP now and Boehner is the head teabagger.

[napkinz]

19. speaker & domestic terrorist ...

[randome]

12. People are already signed up. There is no stopping ACA.

Seriously.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

[TheMastersNemesis]

15. If You Force A Delay In Coverage Or Administration Funds It Stops.

[Bandit]

36. I was under the impression that ACA is not part of discretionary spending

It is like Social Security and Medicare. The funding is mandated and can not be held up by congress.

[TheMastersNemesis]

37. It's Not But Legislatively You Can Delay Coverage Or Even Change The Sign Up Start Date

[Orrex]

14. Your Curious Enthusiasm For Capital Letters Somehow Makes Your Argument Seem Reasonable.

[TheMastersNemesis]

17. If You Had Been At DOL For 24 Years And Watched the Continuing Carnage And Deterioration You Would

be using a lot of capital letters too. What we are seeing today is the endgame of a 33 year plan to take us back 100 years.

[Orrex]

22. Well, It's Important To Maintain A Sense Of Panic At All Costs

[TheMastersNemesis]

35. Obviously You Are Part Of The Problem And NOT The Solution.

I am retired and with your attitude you never will if you already aren't.

[Orrex]

39. Well, I Don't Have Your Smug Sense Of Self-Righteousness, I'll Give You That

Nor Your Fondness For Non Sequitur. Enjoy!

[Dreamer Tatum]

44. He Is Right And You Are Wrong Because He Is Retired And You Are Not

And Therefore You Are Part Of The Problem.

[Orrex]

46. Ah! Now I Understand! Thanks For Explaining It!

[Downtown Hound]

20. Then default

It's a lot better than negotiating with terrorists.

[Dawson Leery]

21. There will be immense pressure from big business and the international community

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for a few Repubs to defect and vote for sanity (with Democrats) to fully fund the government.

[AlinPA]

45. How will that vote occur? Boehner and his teabaggers won't allow it.

[Lifelong Dem]

23. Unless they run into flight delays

Then they have a problem. Lets give THEM a problem.

[truebluegreen]

25. No. 14th Amendment.

If Bush could find pet lawyers to tell him torture was ok, President Obama should be able to find some way to apply the 14th Amendment to pay our debts:

Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.

And I'm sure by now he realizes that this may be the only way to deal with the crazies.

[gopiscrap]

26. ok dems let there be a default and then make sure you

get in front of the story and make sure everyone knows it's the fucking gop doing it.

[Peacetrain]

27. Nope.. nothing anyone can do to stop it even if they wanted to.

Which no one with an ounce of sense wants to happen. Improve it yes.. Move to single payer..woo hoo.. but this is a done deal.. You cannot stop it for a year so they can think of something else to try.

Its done..

That is why the republicans are now officially viewed as not only clueless.. heartless..but just plain old stupid.

The thing is funded.. it is law.. there is nothing to negotiate there..

There is no there .. there..

[lostincalifornia]

28. That is a fantasy for them. They do not have enough votes in the Senate, and the President has veto

Power

So the question becomes, what planet do they come from?

The non-tea bagger republicans realize this, and eventually they will need to make a choice. The survival of the Republican Party or its destruction

[ladjf]

29. There has got to be some way that those who are perpetrating this terror can be legally stop

and prosecuted. nt

[LAGC]

31. There's no way they'll allow a default.

Just like when shit was about to hit the fan with the TARP business, once push came to shove and the Fed Reserve and big bank folks pleaded with Congress how serious the fallout would be, they all caved and bailed out Wall Street.

They know who butters their bread.

[AlinPA]

41. The teabaggers are running the US House now. They want a default and since Boehner is "all in" with

them now the so called moderates (all 17 of them) don't matter.

[Historic NY]

32. Another naysayer...its not going to happen...

GOP got the blame for the first default... and your not going to stop ACA.

They didn't stop medicare or social security and its not going to happen now.

[Shrike47]

33. 14th Amendment. To hell with the gerrymandered House.

[Agnosticsherbet]

34. The Tea-Party Caucaus would go scroched earth. For them, that would be fun.

At the risk of being accused of crapping on the happy parade over the Republican suicide, many of the Tea-Party caucus are in seats that they will win because of (dare I say it. Yes, dare.) gerrymandered districts where a large majority is white, under educated, Fox watchers. They will vote against their interests even while starving to death.

But there are a lot of Republicans in districts that are challengeable by a blue-dog (ducking to avoid missiles) conservadem. (A real liberal would not be elected there.) The longer the shut down goes on, the more non tea-party Republicans will pay.

ON NPR today, they announced that small towns near National Parks are now losing about 30 million a day in revenue from the shut down. These small rural towns tend to be conservative or libertarian in their political leanings. A lot of Republican pet pork barrel projects are unfunded, and the people who benefit from those are unpaid. All those red states that take more in money from the Federal Government than they return in taxes, are suffering every day from the Shut Down.

The big blue states that take less in government subsidies are going to be hurt less by it.

There may be a silver lining to this shit-cloud. If there is a wave election in 2014, it will be the Shut down that led to it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

38. Obama will issue an Executive Order to raise the Debt Ceiling

The House Republicans will impeach him.

The Senate will not remove him from office.

All in time for the 2014 mid-terms.

Remember that even though both House and Senate campaigns in 1998 featured attacks on the Democrats via Clinton, the Republicans gained 0 seats in the Senate and lost 5 seats in the House. And at least Clinton did something sort of wrong (hardly impeachable, but still wrong). If the Republicans want to impeach Obama for saving the world from financial collapse and then use that as an issue, God love them. Go for it.

[roamer65]

40. JP Morgan Chase and the Federal Reserve won't allow a default.

They will monetize every Treasury note in existence to stop it.

[jwirr]

47. I wish we could generate one of those hugh marches on the capital like we saw at the beginning of

the recent wars. Kind of an occupy that stays there for as long as it takes. I am wondering were such a demonstration would do the most good - shutting Wall Street down or DC. My gut feeling is that the owners of our congress teapartiers would work the most good. That would make it clear what we are demonstrating about. Unfortunately I doubt we can pull off anything that like that.