OMG - this is Rich!

[Kber]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/10/02/how-the-democrats-win-end-the-shutdown-and-save-the-country/?hpid=z3

Jennifer Rubin, right wing columnist for the Wash Post, admits that the GOP are unreasonable and don't deserve squat, but begs the Democrats to give them something anyway to stop the tantrum.

Maybe I'd have some sympathy (maybe!!) if we were talking about actual toddlers at a the table next to me at a restaurant. (OK, mom, let the kid order dessert without finishing his broccoli just this once so I can enjoy my dinner, please?)

But we are talking about actual chronological and biological (if not mental) adults and, no, it isn't Obama's job to bail them out. It's the voters job to staff better next round and it's Jennifer's job, as a self declared conservative, to read her own guys the riot act, not plead with me to understand and give in, just because she's enabled a bunch of temper tantrum throwing babies!

The desperation and panic is showing!

[gopiscrap]

1. Excellent

[Justice]

2. There was a right leaning reporter guy on AC 360 last night who said the same thing about 5 times

[Kber]

4. Really?!

I'm speechless at the audacity on display with this one. The fact that it was repeated by more than one person makes me actually worry more!

I think this makes me angrier than anything else I've read. They cannot defend their position, but somehow they still cant take responsibility for the mess and expect someone else to clean up their $h*t?

Wow. I mean, really. wow.

[Cha]

53. Good to know! thanks Justice

[JoePhilly]

3. Sorry Jenn, you brought the crying baby on the plane with you.

We're not going to stop the plane now.

[Kber]

6. Great analogy!

[GoneFishin]

61. +1000. I like it. nt

[ananda]

5. They're bullies.

The only reasonable and workable solution
is to stand your ground and not back down.

[SomethingFishy]

7. You know what it is they are looking for?

They want Dems to make a change to the law, any change, one single change so that in a year when the elections come the Republicans can say

"See we fixed it and now you all have health care thanks to us".

Mark my words.. In the next 2 elections Republicans will be bending over backwards to try and take credit for the ACA.

[Kber]

11. Well - they are trying with the Violence against Women act (cant remember the exact name)

so why not?

[SomethingFishy]

14. It's how they operate..

They can't help themselves. It's Narcissism. It's like that ad they made with the giant Uncle Sam holding the speculum, they want invasive procedures for women but they want to blame it on the Democrats..

[Marr]

19. I don't think there's any real rhyme or reason to it at all.

They've just been pandering to the nuts for too long, and the nuts have now taken a sizable portion of seats. We're watching the right-wing talk radio version of governing-- all anger and belligerence, all the time, with neither logic nor facts required.

[Kber]

22. You wrote "right-wing talk radio version of governing" I think that's an excellent way to describe

what is going on.

The GOP cultivated an alternative version of reality that it has finally eclipsed actual reality.

Never thought about it in that way exactly before, but it may have been inevitable.

[factsarenotfair]

27. Perfect.

Radio seems to be a better medium for brainwashing than tv.

[AC_Mem]

38. RW Radio Brainwashing

How right you are. How many listen while they are behind the wheel, either with road rage already simmering, or driving which can be hypnotizing in and of itself. Zoned out, it is easy to "receive" the messages that are being drilled in from the well coached and coordinated right wing talking points. LISTEN to the words they use and the way they phrase, they know exactly what they are doing. It's NLP, a form of hypnosis.

[factsarenotfair]

46. Ah, NLP.

Whenever I happen upon a rightwing radio channel I swear I can feel it tugging at my subconscious and I quickly switch the radio.

[HappyMe]

8. Tantrums should never be rewarded.

Not in children or adults.

[Kber]

12. Never Ever!

[Xipe Totec]

9. The unmitigated gall of a conservative using collective barganing as an example.

My head hurts.

[Kber]

10. For extra fun, go read the comments

They are brutal!

[MFM008]

13. NO

nononononononononononononononononoonononononononononononononononoonnonononononononononononononon.

[cali]

15. egad. just read her piece. man, is she ever loathsome. contemptible.

[caraher]

16. If only what she says were true

As examples of token concessions that would allow the teahadists to save face, Rubin offers "a complete and timely audit of the glitches in the exchanges."

Marvelous! Let's do this, make sure the exchanges work as well as they can...

But she knows that's not going to fly...

[Kber]

17. Exactly right!

Ms. Rubin seems to think (or wants us to think) that the GOP had really learned its lesson this time and won't to it again, promise. History would seem to suggest otherwise.

[cui bono]

18. Thom Hartmann thinks Obama should go the other direction and let the pain be felt.

Not because he wants Americans to suffer, but because as it is the blow is already being softened by the Dems. He thinks TSA and air traffic controllers should be shut down, etc... And that Reid should keep sending bills back to the house.

I pretty much agree. It's hard because people suffer because of it, but maybe it needs to be done, if it's not too late.
Because things have been let slide already it would now look like Dems are causing more pain.

[seabeckind]

58. In the first hostage taking,

the continuation of the Bush tax cuts in return for a couple weeks of unemployment benefits,

I felt that way.

I believed it was a precedent and would embolden the crooks.

It did. Redux a couple times after that.

There's only one way a confrontation with a bully ends. One way.

And it ain't by handing over your lunch money.

Make it hurt. Close the capitol building and the office building. Furlough the staff. If the gov't is shutdown then we can't afford the overhead.

Then shutdown all the junkets. Make the clowns fly coach to go home. Maybe then they'll pay attention when we tell them the cattle need more legroom.

[GoneFishin]

64. +1,000,000. Bullies on the playground or adult bullies drunk on power are the same.

Giving in only GUARANTEES that they'll be back demanding more next time.

"There's only one way a confrontation with a bully ends. One way. ". Exactly.

That type of personality does not understand fairness, balance, empathy or any other good faith negotiation approach. He will misinterpret any of these approaches as a sign of weakness, which will encourage him to step up the extortion.

I also saw the earlier capitulations to these thugs as mistakes, and encouragement for stunts like the shut down we have today.

[avebury]

20. Based upon their line of reasoning

(yeah I know, they don't have functioning brains), then we should be giving something to Syria and Iran to get them to behave. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it is not the Republicans. Adults know that you do not reward bad behaviour.

[SunSeeker]

21. Eat shit, Jennifer Rubin.

The Repukes aren't like a union demaning better living standards. The Repukes shut down government as a terrorist act--to frighten the Dems into agreeing to defund the ACA. The Repukes are not trying to improve workers' living standards; just the opposite: they want to let 45,000 Americans DIE each year for lack of health insurance.

Negotiating with terrorists just invites more terrorism.

Boner needs to let the fucking House VOTE. The clean CR would be passed immediately. THEN we can enter budget negotiations--the ones the Repukes refused to engage in for the last 6 months.

[RVN VET]

41. Your headline says everything that this woman deserves to have said to her

Period!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

23. Her kids must be spoiled brats.

[Half-Century Man]

24. With all due respect, Ms. Rubin

I have to refuse. When you go to that much effort to shoot yourself in the foot, I am not obligated to administer first aid.

[Buddaman]

34. BAM!!

[Liberalynn]

25. They deserve and should get squat

Well maybe a one way ticket home if they agree to resign and never run again.

[Populist_Prole]

26. All the evidence you need to prove the media sees this as just a big horse race

Bunch of vultures they are.

[BobbyBoring]

28. Could someone esplain this sentence to me?

I read it 5 times and still don't get it. Maybe I just don't read right?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

29. you're absolutely right.

effing pukes have serious personality disorders....projection, blaming, tantrums, irrational demands, expecting special treatment.....

[Jack Rabbit]

30. That is one of the weakest arguments I've ever seen

It doesn't even rise to the level of sophistry.

The collective bargaining analogy doesn't even work. This isn't collective bargaining; it's the problem of trying to negotiate with an extortionist. The Republicans/Tea Partiers are holding the government, and by extension the world economy, hostage and have sent a note made of words from a half dozen different magazines or newspapers demanding a ransom by midnight "or the kid gets it."

The President has wisely ignored the admonition not to call the police (that's you and me). We know who the kidnappers are and where they are. It's not too hard to identify them. They've been on TV every night doing every silly thing they can to draw attention to themselves, up to and including reading from Dr. Seuss. The arrest will come in next month's polling and the conviction will come later; we'll hear the prison doors slam shut in November 2014.

Some Republicans are breaking with the leadership in a desperate attempt to show the jury (that's you and me, again) that there are at least some congressional Republicans who might deserve a reprieve (i.e., re-election next year). Right now, I can't think of one, but those who wish will be allowed to make their case.

[Kber]

36. Yep! I've sat on negotiating committees and the Union analogy does't work

But that's the real world intruding again.

[tiredtoo]

31. They were on the cable news this morning.

Even one guy on Al Jazeera suggesting Obama work with and support Boehner. We all have to do whatever we can to make sure MSM does not let them get away with spinning this.
Also take the time to contact White House thanking them for standing up to the radicals in house. Don't call, phone is turned off due to lack of funding but you can email.

[barbtries]

32. i won't go read her blog.

don't like to lend my traffic to right wingers, but a quote or two would be welcome. thanks

[Kber]

37. some excerpts

"I’ve noted that the government shutdown bears a resemblance to collective bargaining and strike situations. This is especially true in one regard. Sometimes, unions overreach. They raise their members’ expectations about what can be obtained. They can’t get what they want at the bargaining table, and they are boxed in, almost forced to take their members out on strike. After that, the chief negotiator turns to his group to ask, “So what can we give them to get them back?”

His bargaining team, grouchy and exhausted, revolts. “Nothing!” “What do you mean –give them something!?” “Why should we have to give them something?”

Yes, it is galling having to bail out the people on the other side because of their stupidity, and, yes, life’s not fair. But the obligation — owed to the company and to the employees — is to get the mess resolved. There are innocent victims beyond the immediate parties, such as employees at suppliers’ companies, pension and health beneficiaries and the general public. So the company negotiator does it; he offers some small incentive, a face-saver to get the union back to the table and everyone back to work.

That is how it works in the labor context. I’ve seen it time and time again. The same is true here. To the Democrats, I say what any responsible negotiator would say: Yes, the Republicans were wrong to try to force defunding via one house of the legislative branch. Yes, you shouldn’t have to give them something. Sure, they made this mess. But having the White House (like occupying the chief executive position) means you get over it."

[barbtries]

50. wow

i guess it's useless to assert that the republicans should start behaving like grownups?! jeez - it would be so wrong to reward them in any way, shape or form. as another poster noted yesterday, they are absolute snakes - any concession given to them (and there have been many) will buy you nothing but a venomous bite.

a pathetic joke of an argument.

thank you for this.

[kcass1954]

33. Sorry, honey. My kids learned early on that whining gets an automatic "NO!"

Only one way to stop that behavior, and that's to quit rewarding it.

[reflection]

35. Although I disagree on principle, I almost get it.

Sun Tzu said to build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across. Throwing them some kind of bone would let them save face and end this madness.

However, this isn't a war, technically. This is about politics, public perception and setting precedent, and I could care less if the Republicans are crushed under the avalanche of their own hubris.

But I almost understand what she's saying.

[magical thyme]

44. Yup. She's saying allow them to save face so they can back down gracefully.

I say "Not to a 2 year old throwing tantrums."

My sister is a teabagger. I let her get away with bullying, abusive shit for decades.

Last time was the. last. time. Gave her back some of her own. Haven't heard from her since. Oh, and changed my phone number so don't expect to hear from her again.

Enough. Grow the fuck up or get the fuck out.

[amb123]

39. My reply to the GOP Baby Brigade:

Now you be a good boy and take your medicine!

[Blue_Tires]

40. Rubin should have been fired for her petty bullshit in the Brevik massacre

[SaveAmerica]

42. Nope, as a Mom of well-mannered grown children you never give them their demands

You leave if they are misbehaving and tell them exactly what is the reason we all had to be taken from our fun family outing. Any future misbehavior has the same result and soon they realize their bad behavior has no good reward.

There are times when compromise and negotiation work but children who made unwarranted demands get zero, nada, and zilch.

Thumbs up to the Democratic Party at this time in history. We are in the right, we should have only started this behavior modification in 2009.

( So basically the people with wailing kids next to you should leave the restaurant )

[Kber]

51. Leave the restaurant is what I always did.

But my kids behave better than Cruz and Co.

[kelliekat44]

43. The behavior that gets repeated is the behavior that gets rewarded.

NO NEGONTIATION UNTIL A CLEAN BILL IS PASSED NOW AND FOR THE RAISING OF THE DEBT CEILING.

[mountain grammy]

45. Yeah, I'd throw them a bone: a public option!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

47. Jennifer Rubin sucks. nt

[gejohnston]

48. I wonder if she brought up the kids with that philosiphy

If they are still small, the terrible teens will really suck for her.

[Kber]

52. Yep!

Bring them up right as toddlers. These days a raised eyebrow is usually enough to quiet my teenaged son. But that didn't come to be all by itself.

[Iliyah]

49. GOPers and their masters must be losing their profits big time

because other than that, I don't think GOPers give a flying fart.

Sympathy, no way, they deserve all the ugliest put upon them.

[Cha]

54. thanks Kber for the good news of jennifer tool rubin

buckling.

[Triana]

55. "give them something to stop the tantrum" - Here's the evidence that they're indeed having one...

...and a clue as to why Rubin said what she said:

[Kber]

56. Geez. That's telling!

[seabeckind]

57. Heard the same argument from a "democrat"

this morning on mornin joe.

Harold Ford was on...saying Obama has to offer some incentive, like the Keystone...

that's all I heard cause I switched back to the local car commercial.

Occasionally there's a nugget of knowledge buried in one of joe's shows but most times I get tired of wading in the shit looking for it.

Deutch is an asshole.

On the preview to the joe show, Brian Schactman showed the hostage clip (a very editted small part) and commented that "enough of the hostage business".

Where do they get these clowns who pretend to be journalists?

BTW, NBC take note -- that was the first, and coincidentally last, time I will see that idiot on teevee again.

[Kber]

59. Harold Ford

nuff said

[Dragonfli]

63. You mean the guy that was literally the last poster boy for the DLC?

Of course he said that, the DLC have nearly identical goals to the GOP (outside of social issues) and always want to meet them 9/10ths of the way.

[L0oniX]

60. Here ...give them this!

[toby jo]

62. We'll give you time. It's all on our side.

Take your time, keep shitting all over yourself with it.

Then we'll give you some more.

See the pattern, doll?