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Serious question. Why don't Democrats demand Repukes to give up their free govt health care? (Original Post) snagglepuss Oct 2013 OP
All their paychecks need to stop until they fully fund government. (n/t) LAGC Oct 2013 #1
See amendment 27 of the US Constitution to understand why that won't happen. n/t Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #6
This rl6214 Oct 2013 #17
Their answer would likely be that health care comes with the job. djean111 Oct 2013 #2
Yes probably this - it would be a small but sticky thing to ask el_bryanto Oct 2013 #3
When did appearing petty stop Repukes? Democrats need to go on the offensive snagglepuss Oct 2013 #4
Too little gain. And we are winning the debate just now. nt el_bryanto Oct 2013 #22
That sounds exactly like something they would say. City Lights Oct 2013 #15
There is no such thing as free government health care. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #5
"Part of a compensation package" is simply jargon. The bottomline is that they don't pay for snagglepuss Oct 2013 #8
Part of a compensation package is not jargon. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #10
I stand corrected on the misuse of the word free and agree that it is a RW meme. snagglepuss Oct 2013 #16
Fully agree. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #19
They don't have free government healthcare pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #7
Canadians also contribute to their single payer system through taxes so snagglepuss Oct 2013 #9
More info from factcheck.org: pinboy3niner Oct 2013 #12
Thanks for the informative link however the point remains that the govt is covering a large portion snagglepuss Oct 2013 #13
And it is not the same as "free". nt oldhippie Oct 2013 #18
The govt covers a large portion of the cost. Does the average Joe get 72% snagglepuss Oct 2013 #20
Which is not the same as "free." oldhippie Oct 2013 #21
That is actually part of what Boner asked for a couple days ago. Motown_Johnny Oct 2013 #11
As far as I know Duckhunter935 Oct 2013 #14
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
2. Their answer would likely be that health care comes with the job.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:02 PM
Oct 2013

And that everybody else just needs to get a job with health care, like they did.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
4. When did appearing petty stop Repukes? Democrats need to go on the offensive
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:06 PM
Oct 2013

and forget about high mindedness.

City Lights

(25,171 posts)
15. That sounds exactly like something they would say.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:26 PM
Oct 2013

And their delivery of such would be smug and arrogant.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. There is no such thing as free government health care.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:06 PM
Oct 2013

It is a part of their compensation package. I guess you could ask them to give it up for an increase in pay.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
8. "Part of a compensation package" is simply jargon. The bottomline is that they don't pay for
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:11 PM
Oct 2013

their top of the line health care. There is nothing stopping them from getting their own healthcare coverage.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. Part of a compensation package is not jargon.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

It is the reality of millions of Americans. Health Insurance is a part of millions of peoples compensation packages. Why would someone pay for something that is a part of their compensation. Free government health care is a right wing meme.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
16. I stand corrected on the misuse of the word free and agree that it is a RW meme.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:29 PM
Oct 2013

However the bottomline is that the govt is picking up a large portion of the cost of their healthcare. It's pure hyprocrisy.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
7. They don't have free government healthcare
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:08 PM
Oct 2013

Members of Congress contribute to their health care plans just like other federal employees.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
9. Canadians also contribute to their single payer system through taxes so
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:14 PM
Oct 2013

"free" is perhaps the wrong word. The question is how much is their contribution compared to contributions made in the private sector for the same level of healthcare?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. More info from factcheck.org:
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:20 PM
Oct 2013
Members of Congress have good health insurance by any standard, but it’s not free and not reserved only for them – and it’s not government insurance. House and Senate members are allowed to purchase private health insurance offered through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which covers more than 8 million other federal employees, retirees and their families.

It’s not a “single-payer” system where the government acts as the one and only health insurance company. As President Bush’s chief of personnel Kay Coles James said in 2003, while lecturing at the conservative Heritage Foundation, “the FEHB program is not centralized, government-run health care.” It has drawn praise both from conservatives and liberals, including President Obama, who held it up as a model for his own health care proposals.

According to the Congressional Research Service, the FEHBP offers about 300 different private health care plans, including five government-wide, fee-for-service plans and many regional health maintenance organization (HMO) plans, plus high-deductible, tax-advantaged plans. All plans cover hospital, surgical and physician services, and mental health services, prescription drugs and “catastrophic” coverage against very large medical expenses. There are no waiting periods for coverage when new employees are hired, and there are no exclusions for preexisting conditions. The FEHBP negotiates contracts annually with all insurance companies who wish to participate. There is plenty of competition for the business; FEHBP is the largest employer-sponsored health plan in the U.S.

...


Like other large employers, the government pays a large share of the cost of coverage. On average, the government pays 72 percent of the premiums for its workers, up to a maximum of 75 percent depending on the policy chosen. For example, the popular Blue Cross and Blue Shield standard fee-for-service family plan carries a total premium of $1,327.80 per month, of which the beneficiary pays $430.04. Washington, D.C.-based employees who prefer an HMO option might choose the Kaiser standard family plan. It carries a total premium of $825.15 per month, of which the employee pays only $206.29.

...


http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/health-care-for-members-of-congress/


snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
13. Thanks for the informative link however the point remains that the govt is covering a large portion
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:24 PM
Oct 2013

of the cost.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
20. The govt covers a large portion of the cost. Does the average Joe get 72%
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:36 PM
Oct 2013

of his health care covered by the govt?

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
21. Which is not the same as "free."
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:38 PM
Oct 2013

Some union contracts manage to get "free" medical insurance for their members. Feds do not.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. That is actually part of what Boner asked for a couple days ago.
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

That and a one year delay on the individual mandate.


I honestly thought that it was a reasonable place to start negotiations from, but that didn't go over well here on GD.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023753508

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
14. As far as I know
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 04:26 PM
Oct 2013

they are part of the federal health benefits plan as are all federal workers. They ended free health care years ago.

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