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babylonsister

(171,076 posts)
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 03:39 PM Oct 2013

The Brainwashing Of My Dad By Limbaugh, Fox & GOP Media

The Brainwashing Of My Dad By Limbaugh, Fox & GOP Media

by Leslie Salzillo


Many of us understand the damage Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and 'hate media' has done to our country in promoting racism, homophobia, misogyny and bigotry.They perpetuate lies and poison the minds of people who get sucked in, and use Right Wing media as the only source of news. Jen Senko is a filmmaker who watched the transformation of her father, as he slowly came to believe the extreme RightWing lies, and she's making a documentary about it. Here a personal note to me from Senko followed by the Kickstarter commentary:

"I was inspired to make this film after watching my father – a non-political Democrat – turn into a right wing fanatic after a change in his car commute exposed him to the reactionary shows on talk radio. The changes in his behavior caused me to research the changes in the media over the last 30 years – and the effect of those changes on the country was indisputable. As the media have been co-opted more and more by special interests, documentarians have become the new journalists. My hope is that after seeing my film, people will question what the media tells them, and hold them accountable."


When the filmmaker's parents moved to a place where her father had a long solo commute to work and started listening to Talk Radio to alleviate the boredom, her family saw him change from a non-political Democrat to a radicalized, angry Right-Wing Republican. What happened to Dad?

As filmmaker, Jen Senko, tries to understand the transformation of her father from a mild mannered life-long Democrat to an angry, Right-Wing fanatic, she uncovers the forces behind the media that changed him completely: a plan by Roger Ailes under Nixon for a media by the GOP, The Powell Memo and the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine, all of which would ultimately misinform millions, divide families and even the country itself.


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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/06/1244584/-The-Brainwashing-Of-My-Dad-By-Limbaugh-Fox-GOP-Media?detail=facebook
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The Brainwashing Of My Dad By Limbaugh, Fox & GOP Media (Original Post) babylonsister Oct 2013 OP
The Powell Memo - The Root Of Most Of Our Problems cantbeserious Oct 2013 #1
When reagan had the FCC repeal dotymed Oct 2013 #136
Should be interesting. Warned of Limbaugh 20 years ago. Faygo Kid Oct 2013 #2
Yes, I am with you and predicted Tumbulu Oct 2013 #103
I remember back when he had his TV show they panned through the audience and everyone was dressed Maraya1969 Oct 2013 #148
Hate radio spawned the genocide in Rwanda. mahina Oct 2013 #108
There were others before Limbaugh who were paving the way... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #160
big rec! Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #3
It happened in my family, too. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #4
I wish they would film my dad too chowder66 Oct 2013 #5
Amen to that. The place would be overflowing to meet the need. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #16
That was a wonderful response. Thank you. chowder66 Oct 2013 #20
"Go back to being a Republican?" icarusxat Oct 2013 #91
They do have political rehab. dotymed Oct 2013 #137
The ironic thing about the NPR = "gubmint-funded liberal hate radio" accusation maxsolomon Oct 2013 #138
I worked at an NPR station DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #150
The exact same thing happened to my older brother AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #6
Mine too Harry Monroe Oct 2013 #56
Same thing with my son. n/t Duval Oct 2013 #64
Your dad BOUGHT the BULLSHIT. True, they did think-tanks & media bigtime, BUT HE BOUGHT IT. RBInMaine Oct 2013 #7
Sounds like you're angry; do you know how many people have babylonsister Oct 2013 #9
You do realize this is not the OP's father, right? Patiod Oct 2013 #76
Laughing. crim son Oct 2013 #83
This is what is wrong with our country kydo Oct 2013 #8
How about a great big red banner crawl with blinking lights - every second? IrishAyes Oct 2013 #19
I'm all for that and adding that annoying sound from the emergency warnings kydo Oct 2013 #110
Me 2. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #121
Post removed Post removed Oct 2013 #46
if you're serious about staying here, be sure to read the rules..... steve2470 Oct 2013 #49
I was wondering myself... DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #50
I'm willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt steve2470 Oct 2013 #54
I don't believe so, either DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #57
as a native hoosier LittleGirl Oct 2013 #120
Another native Hoosier... DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #142
Hi Michiana native! LittleGirl Oct 2013 #144
I was born in Goshen DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #149
It is Ash Road LittleGirl Oct 2013 #155
I also lived in Indy from 2009 LittleGirl Oct 2013 #145
Well, here's one example DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #53
No, it's not. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #55
I missed his post before his pizza. Is that what he was about? JHB Oct 2013 #109
Yeah, it was the same old bullshit. Hissyspit Oct 2013 #154
Rush Limbaugh defining Sandra Fluke in the following manner: Hell Hath No Fury Oct 2013 #65
But I maintain that hate radio, by using public ally funded airwaves Tumbulu Oct 2013 #104
Anger is addictive, right wing talk radio is designed to make you angry Fumesucker Oct 2013 #10
So right. nt awoke_in_2003 Oct 2013 #97
Brain chemistry is powerful. Anger brings on a fix. DhhD Oct 2013 #133
With the reagan repeal dotymed Oct 2013 #139
After a childhood spent listening to the RW talk radio drivel... GatorOrange Oct 2013 #11
I've seen the most change of all in women who listen to talk radio fitman Oct 2013 #12
A recent example IrishAyes Oct 2013 #21
+1. And they have NEVER been harmed by what and who they hate. That's the hardest part. freshwest Oct 2013 #52
Or so they think (Rush told them). AAO Oct 2013 #130
Of course, they have Laura Ingraham n/t DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #151
So many Rec's because everyone knows one of these Cult members - Ditto Head is a good descriptor. nt AnotherMother4Peace Oct 2013 #13
The reason that Limbaugh and other like him are so effective RDANGELO Oct 2013 #14
ah yes the insiders and the outsiders. n/t. airplaneman Oct 2013 #68
The 1st thing a cult does- ErikJ Oct 2013 #15
Plus about a million. My mom used to reply to the RW emails she got with links Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #94
I've seen this recently. "Snopes is in Obama's pocket"... JHB Oct 2013 #111
Exactly. Same with them blaming the MSM for (supposedly) reporting Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #157
The question that I want answered madaboutharry Oct 2013 #17
Me too. I listened to Glenn Beck on my commute to schoool and i generally scoffed sammytko Oct 2013 #23
The demographics for Fox and the rest are overwhelming: mature white men KurtNYC Oct 2013 #114
You might want to read chervilant Oct 2013 #125
I just posted this in another thread Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #18
Maybe why there are so many zombie shows on now ffr Oct 2013 #22
Thanks, he has been an ex for decades but we have kept in tough sporadically over the years. Mojorabbit Oct 2013 #59
I thought I was marrying Morris Dees but mine turned out to be more like David Duke. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #26
It happened to my ex, too...... llmart Oct 2013 #36
Well, some scientific study a year or so ago IrishAyes Oct 2013 #45
Oh, I understand and saw it personally.... llmart Oct 2013 #58
I think one reason we survive is that we know how to hang together, too. IrishAyes Oct 2013 #66
I can so relate to this comment LittleGirl Oct 2013 #127
it requires a suspension of reality noiretextatique Oct 2013 #40
What I've heard is that our dire economic cilla4progress Oct 2013 #132
It happened to my truck driver brother. The stupid that comes out of his mouth amazes me. nt valerief Oct 2013 #24
Not surprised. Truckers are their own worst enemy. They support the party that screws them over. Ikonoklast Oct 2013 #31
A trucker friend of mine turned pretty conservative too daleo Oct 2013 #67
My dad was a former trucker and diesel mechanic DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #152
Did You Know POTUS Flew Bo On A Private Jet otohara Oct 2013 #25
If your friend does that again IrishAyes Oct 2013 #27
It happened to my cousin and my brother and it fills my heart with great dismay. Kip Humphrey Oct 2013 #28
Sad part is, I know many like your dad. gopiscrap Oct 2013 #29
I'll bet my own dad is worse Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #30
why is he so angry? noiretextatique Oct 2013 #42
I can't figure it out. There's no logical reason for it. Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #70
My dad is very similar to yours. He should have nothing to LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #82
I read your post and it sounded exactly what I was going to write. Snarkoleptic Oct 2013 #89
If he watches FOX "News" the anger is from.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #87
that's it. bitter without cause. grasswire Oct 2013 #105
exact same sister in my family LittleGirl Oct 2013 #128
such a waste noiretextatique Oct 2013 #156
sounds like mine PatrynXX Oct 2013 #44
Which also goes to explain PatrynXX Oct 2013 #47
Find it. markmac Oct 2013 #129
My dad was exposed to it nearly every day...but he didn't fall for it, thank God DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #32
Alvin Toffler's book Future Shock IrishAyes Oct 2013 #37
Well, said. BellaKos Oct 2013 #98
I knew about Limbaugh's stay in the WH DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #143
K&R! oxymoron Oct 2013 #33
Long story short - I no longer have any living relatives of first or second degree IrishAyes Oct 2013 #34
I'm with you, Irish RVN VET Oct 2013 #95
The worst part ctsnowman Oct 2013 #35
I'm glad my service was before that time DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #60
It's truly disgusting what right wing propaganda has done to this country. Initech Oct 2013 #38
Kicked and recommended, this sentence on the Daily Kos link is the money shot. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #39
Yep Zorra Oct 2013 #78
He had that right, Zorra. Uncle Joe Oct 2013 #79
My dad was always a Republican PatrynXX Oct 2013 #41
It's sad sad sad, babylonsistah.. Cha Oct 2013 #43
This has happened to several members of my family too, dad, brother, sister-in-law, other brother diane in sf Oct 2013 #48
I would go so far to say that this Governement Shutdown has a direct yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #51
Agreed, but more likely DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #61
And probably the guy who OWNS... yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #63
You mean good ol' Rupert Murdoch? DissidentVoice Oct 2013 #71
Yeah I could not remember his name... yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #72
Ailes doesn't own FOX, but he's the guy who runs it... JHB Oct 2013 #113
So I guess we can blame him yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #115
maybe not all of it, but definitely in the 40-60% range JHB Oct 2013 #122
THOSE are fairly good odds.. yuiyoshida Oct 2013 #135
Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, et al are like something out of H.P. Lovecraft LongTomH Oct 2013 #62
Prior to Australian extortionist's FOX news, the Korean cult leader began Moonie News blm Oct 2013 #69
I've seen it too. So many people have limited media choices, and the... dougolat Oct 2013 #73
This puzzles the hell out of me, having grown up in a very liberal family and married into another maddiemom Oct 2013 #74
Limp Balls is raw unadulterated propaganda. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #75
Same thing happened to my parents abelenkpe Oct 2013 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #80
Hate radio succeeds by telling unhappy, unsatisfied people what they want to hear. Marr Oct 2013 #81
This. RedSpartan Oct 2013 #88
Well said. Alkene Oct 2013 #126
Question is, is this Country steamrollling to be a totalitarian Police State? blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #84
Old people and poor people and it's happening now. Lars39 Oct 2013 #93
ok. but what's that got to do with this thread? dionysus Oct 2013 #100
A similar thing has happened to my wife SpankMe Oct 2013 #85
The psychology of misplaced blame and right wing propaganda. AdHocSolver Oct 2013 #86
Good post Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #106
+1000 Please consider reposting as an OP LongTomH Oct 2013 #141
Happened to both my parents and my only sibling progree Oct 2013 #90
Sadly BellaKos Oct 2013 #99
same thing happened to my dad Doctor_J Oct 2013 #92
Me, too. BellaKos Oct 2013 #96
this is why we feel safer and freer in NYC than these freaks would ever imagine. bettyellen Oct 2013 #101
I can relate Populist_Prole Oct 2013 #107
You're right/ BellaKos Oct 2013 #112
They got my Mom too. Nt TeamPooka Oct 2013 #102
Without going into too much detail Shankapotomus Oct 2013 #116
The Brain Washing of My Dad trailer. 5 min video B Calm Oct 2013 #117
I think anyone 35 or under with a teabagger/Limbaugh fan as a parent Kumbricia Oct 2013 #118
Only one quibble. Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread unintentionally. Turborama Oct 2013 #119
Edit Grins Oct 2013 #123
"the dismantling of the Fairness Doctrine" uponit7771 Oct 2013 #124
We all know something is wrong, the difference is in our explanations and solutions jollyreaper2112 Oct 2013 #131
My older sister was very liberal, not anymore. Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #134
saving for later BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2013 #140
Thank you! Now I am a backer of the project! Buddha2B Oct 2013 #146
It happened to both my brothers. Raffi Ella Oct 2013 #147
My dad went the other way LittleBlue Oct 2013 #153
...but that's not due to propaganda... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #159
Books on CD, commuter people! You don't need to listen to RW hate Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2013 #158

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
136. When reagan had the FCC repeal
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:37 PM
Oct 2013

THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE, I knew that America was under siege.

Propaganda, lies and deceit have always been the CIA way of taking over countries.
When the Fairness Doctrine was revoked I knew that America was being taken over.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
2. Should be interesting. Warned of Limbaugh 20 years ago.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 03:44 PM
Oct 2013

After a weekend morning workout (younger then!) 20 years ago, a bunch of us went for bagels and coffee and agreed that Rush Limbaugh was a very dangerous man - if you disagreed with him, you were evil or stupid or likely both, but were not allowed to have a different opinion. So now here we are today, with Fox News and multiple right-wing media outlets preaching the same bile. That will no doubt come out in this documentary. The destruction of our government and ruination of our economy is the logical outcome of where we were with Rush 20 years ago.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
103. Yes, I am with you and predicted
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:13 AM
Oct 2013

Tat he would end our country as we knew it then. Ad look, we are on the brink of the civil war that no one will fight to keep as a union.

Maraya1969

(22,489 posts)
148. I remember back when he had his TV show they panned through the audience and everyone was dressed
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:09 PM
Oct 2013

normal except about 3 women who were wearing full mink coats that they had buttoned or wrapped all around them, (so you could SEE that they were wearing them). In my mind I knew right then that they were obviously a plant and I remember thinking "you can't trust this man"

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
160. There were others before Limbaugh who were paving the way...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:33 AM
Apr 2014

....remember Joe Pyne, Jim Eason, Wally George, and Morton Downey, Jr.?

They were all spewin' the RWBS before Mount Rushbo blew himself into existence.

CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
4. It happened in my family, too.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

My non-political mother went from working in an office, where there was no radio, to starting her own sewing business. She spent the day listening to hate radio & in 18 months I hardly recognized her. She passed in '07. I'm not sure our relationship would have survived the '08 campaign. I fear she would have loved Sarah Palin, but worse, I fear her reaction to a black president.

Interesting idea for a documentary. I will follow this. Thanks.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
5. I wish they would film my dad too
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:17 PM
Oct 2013

My dad left the Republican party when they went after Clinton. Dad was a moderate and he and I always talked politics.
I have always been a democrat. Less than a couple of weeks ago I asked him if he thought the government would be shutdown and he said you better believe it. Then he went on a weird tirade about how Dems will be just as bad when a Republican becomes president and they will use the same tactics to block everything. I said Whoa, dad, what's up with you? He said all politicians were scum and just a tad above lawyers. I spoke to him about this massive shift (luckily he stated he still respects the President) but he was off his rockers with everything else. Then he started saying that Obama was negotiating with Iran and Syria but not the Republicans. I thought that HAS to be a sound bite from somewhere. I asked him if Fox news was still on at his Physical Therapy Rehab Gym and he went silent. I said Dad, I warned you not to let that filter through and laughed a bit since it was our little joke. He replied I listen to NPR too and then went silent again. I could tell he was angry.

I started to hear that same sound bite about Syria and Iran all over the place from the Republicans. Knew it.

It was a very uncomfortable moment. He won't go back to being a republican I think but to have the one person I could always discuss politics with shut down like that was a sad day indeed. He used to be incredibly intuitive about politics and a great mentor. Won't be talking politics with him unless he comes back down to earth.

Too bad they don't have political rehab.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
16. Amen to that. The place would be overflowing to meet the need.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:51 PM
Oct 2013

In the meantime think of that CS&N song from years ago, Teach Your Children Well. I might not be 100% accurate here, but the lyrics that stuck with me and still float through my head went something like this, re the kids' differences from parents: "Don't ask them why/Just look at them and sigh/And know they love you."

Guess it works both ways. My prayers to you and your dad both. You may have to be the one to lead him home with all due respect and love.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
20. That was a wonderful response. Thank you.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:59 PM
Oct 2013

I love CS&N and yes I would say my dad taught me well and I'll just let him work this one out.
The good thing is that he is a decent man in either party so if I'm wrong and he goes back (I really, really don't think he will) I'll be okay with that as long as he doesn't turn into a nut. He's never been one to be over the top but maybe age and health issues are taking him down the curmudgeonly path right now.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
137. They do have political rehab.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:46 PM
Oct 2013

Pol-pot, Mao Se Tung and others used it very effectively. I bet that "our" CIA was (at least) their inspiration as that has been their M.O. for decades.

It was no mistake when Reagan had THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE repealed.

President Obama must insist that the FCC re-instate it.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
138. The ironic thing about the NPR = "gubmint-funded liberal hate radio" accusation
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:48 PM
Oct 2013

is that for many long-time NPR listeners, it's changed into "Now Promoting Republicans" over the last decade. I find myself absolutely disgusted by the falsehoods they allow to pass unchallenged from Republican pols and pundits. I'd sooner join the NRA than give them $ now.

NPR-haters should take a listen - they'd LOVE IT.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
150. I worked at an NPR station
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:17 PM
Oct 2013

Also a PBS TV station.

My colleagues there were from all across the political spectrum.

babylonsister

(171,076 posts)
9. Sounds like you're angry; do you know how many people have
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:27 PM
Oct 2013

bought the bullshit? Just look around; it's pathetic, but it's a fact.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
76. You do realize this is not the OP's father, right?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 07:27 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Tue Oct 8, 2013, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

It's the filmmaker's father.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
8. This is what is wrong with our country
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:25 PM
Oct 2013

That these people are allowed to be able to spew the hate in the manner that they are. I am not talking about free speech. I am talking about mis-representing your self as a news source. Fox and all that other hate crap is entertainment not news. All those right wing hate radio blow pipes should have to have a "viewer or audio discretion is advised that this program is all about hate and most of the content is complete made up for your entertainment and therefore should not be considered truth or news.", every ten minutes on their programming.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
110. I'm all for that and adding that annoying sound from the emergency warnings
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:37 AM
Oct 2013

that would work for me.

Response to kydo (Reply #8)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
49. if you're serious about staying here, be sure to read the rules.....
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:01 PM
Oct 2013
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

You might be able to survive here if you follow the rules. Happy to help, have a pleasant evening.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
54. I'm willing to give him/her the benefit of the doubt
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:07 PM
Oct 2013

He/she will have to prove himself/herself over time. If the poster is really serious about a civil and fact-based dialogue, he/she will survive here. I don't think all Republicans are evil and insane. I'd rather the Republicans be open and honest about the fact that they ARE Republicans, than play the stupid troll games we see.

Maybe we can have a dedicated sub-forum for civil dialogue ? I don't know, maybe I'm dreaming.

eta: oops, mirted already.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
57. I don't believe so, either
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:13 PM
Oct 2013

Years ago, when I was a Boy Scout, I earned my Citizenship in the Nation merit badge.

My counsellor was a Republican State Senator in Indiana. He was kind, courteous, gentlemanly and taught me a lot about the workings of government. He's passed on some years ago.

He urged me to register and vote when I turned 18. I told him that no offence, I would probably be a Democrat. He just laughed and said "vote for who you believe in."

A great, great guy.

Of course, this was in the late '70s - pre-talk radio.

I have had other friends who are Republicans.

When I still lived in Indiana, I corresponded regularly with Senator Richard Lugar, who was forced out by the Tea Party. We disagreed on many, many, many things, but our discourses were always civil. Mr. Lugar always told me that, despite our disagreements, I was still one of his constituents and that he wanted me to contact him with any concerns I had.

I wish there were still more like him.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
120. as a native hoosier
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 09:51 AM
Oct 2013

The conservatives have left the party. The only ones left are the radical rights. It's sad indeed and Lugar was a fool to think that he was still in touch with hoosiers. He used a physical address from the seventy's to 'make him' a representative to Indiana when he never much stepped foot in the state. And Mourdock was disgusting with his abortion and rape pregnancy comments and frankly, I"m happy to see he lost too. Joe Donnelly used to be a moderate but I fear he's about to switch over to the GOP too.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
142. Another native Hoosier...
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 01:46 PM
Oct 2013

South Bend area native. I lived in Indiana before moving to Michigan in '07.

As a native Hoosier, you know that the only "conservatives" that have ever really existed in Indiana are basically what the Tea Party have modelled themselves after. I don't know if you grew up in the city or the country, but out away from cities like South Bend, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis and Bloomington (which is like an enclave from somewhere else!), it's as far to the right as anywhere in the Deep South. About 15 miles from where I lived was a KKK training camp that the St. Joseph County Sheriff's Department tried for years to shut down (I don't know if they ever succeeded). The first "Rush Room" in the country was in Mishawaka. The head of the "Club For Growth," Chris Chocola, unfortunately used to represent my former district in the House.

There have not been any real Democrats in Indiana, not in my experience, that have gained elective office. Evan Bayh, Frank O'Bannon and (from what I know) Joe Donnelly are all Third Way "GOP-lite" types.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
144. Hi Michiana native!
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:06 PM
Oct 2013

Grew up on the east side of SB and lived in Mishawaka when I left in '07. So close to the Lake and yet, so close to B* F* E*.
It's unbelievable the uneducated rednecks in the woods there. I left SB and came back many times over the years...the family pull was heavy handed.
I know exactly where that KKK clan in Osceola lived. I could drive to that house right now even if I can't remember the name of the road.

Evan Bayh was a traitor resigning like he did with less than 48 hrs to name a Democrat to replace him. I see he's crossed over to Fox Spews now. I thought he was okay until he pulled that stunt. Will never forgive that guy for that. Isn't he a lobbyist now?

*waves hello*

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
149. I was born in Goshen
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:14 PM
Oct 2013

I was born in Goshen and lived in Elkhart and worked several places in South Bend, among them Society Bank when it was still downtown. I also worked in Osceola for almost three years.

But with the cities growing together like they have (South Bend/Mishawaka/Osceola/Elkhart/Dunlap/Goshen) it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends. When my wife and I would go there she was confused as to what city we were in at a given time. Once while driving down Logan Street past Bethel College I told her "that side is South Bend, that side is Mishawaka."

I was in the Air National Guard's 122nd Tactical Fighter Wing at Fort Wayne and spent a lot of time at the former Grissom AFB. US 31 south out of SB to GAFB was one of the most BOR-ING drives I can remember...Lakeville, LaPaz...

When we got married I moved to her hometown of Brazil (birthplace of Jimmy Hoffa, Orville Redenbacher and Henry Lee Summer - her brother went to high school with him)...about 15 miles east of Terre Haute and the biggest (or smallest; 7,912 pop) lack of civilisation I think I've ever seen. Thank God we got out of there! Talk about Klan-Haven.

Speaking of, I think that KKK camp is/was (I can't find it on the SPLC's "Hate Map&quot on Ash Road (not far from where I worked in Osceola) - at least that's what comes to mind. Jeff Berry, the former Grand Poobah of the KKK, lived north of Fort Wayne (when he wasn't in prison) until he died some years ago.

I had no idea Evan Bayh had gone to Fux Noise. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

Tim Roemer was my Congressman for several years and I liked him, though he wimped out on pushing for a national health care plan.

You should know very well then that Limbaugh was, and is (?) a staple of WSBT-960 in South Bend. That's where I first heard him. Until I learned otherwise, I thought he was local, no kidding.

At least St. Joseph County has one of the more significant Democratic enclaves in Indiana (all those friendly Poles who also put on such a good Dyngus Day, I think!). Before I left Elkhart County the Democratic Party had closed up its offices there.

I live in Michigan now. It sure isn't perfect here (out in our hinterlands we have wannabe militia types dressing up in cammies and blasting their Back 40 to bits, not to mention Rick Snyder in Lansing), but it's worlds better than Indiana was...plus, I am within walking distance of Canada, which really is another world of its own.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
155. It is Ash Road
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

I remember the name now..good detective work.
Nice to meet you!
I went to school with some of the Roemer family members. Ah, Dyngus Day one of my favorites except I always had to work. I was never involved in politics when I lived in SB or Mishawaka. I thought I was a conservative until I quit my job in '06 and had to read political stuff on the internet. Then I knew! I was a liberal to the bone. I would love to be walking distance to Canada. We're going there in a couple of weeks while we're visiting Seattle. Looking forward to it!

thanks for the chat!

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
53. Well, here's one example
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:06 PM
Oct 2013

In 1995 I was listening to G Gordon Liddy's radio show.

He was telling callers the best way to target Federal agents who would invade their homes to take their guns.

If that isn't "hate speech," I don't know what is.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
55. No, it's not.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:09 PM
Oct 2013

Next question.

Playing the "you're intolerant because you don't tolerate my intolerance!" false equivalence mirroring game.

You want concrete examples? Where have you been for the past twenty years? Limbaugh and Fox News spout bigoted speech ALL THE TIME. EVERY DAY.

You want people to spend all afternoon looking up twenty years of hate speech so you can have concrete examples? Give me a break.

Sure, you see some hypocritical stuff from the left. Of course. We're all human. It's not even close though.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
109. I missed his post before his pizza. Is that what he was about?
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:32 AM
Oct 2013

<expletive deleted>, they've been pulling that since about 1988.

So people started newsletters like the "Flush Rush Review", and they claimed "cherry picked quotes taken out of context". Same with audio clips.

Then computer data storage got large enough, common enough, and cheap enough so that entire shows could be recorded regularly (hell, by Rush himself as another show product) and the full rant could be available to show the context.

Places that did it (like Media Matters) were just dismissed on ideological grounds, so people like Tombstone Jack have come full circle, demanding everyone else sort through the volumes of material to prove the sky is blue.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
154. Yeah, it was the same old bullshit.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 04:59 PM
Oct 2013

I don't delete expletives.

His question to which my "no, it isn't" was a response was "so all speech you disagree with is hate speech?" Same old fallacious tactic.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
65. Rush Limbaugh defining Sandra Fluke in the following manner:
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:32 PM
Oct 2013

"At Pelosi’s hearing, Fluke said her fellow students at Georgetown, a Jesuit university, pay as much as $1,000 a year for birth control because campus health plans do not include coverage of contraceptives for women.

'What does that make her?' Limbaugh said on his show Wednesday night. 'It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute.'

'She wants to be paid to have sex,' Limbaugh continued.'“She’s having so much sex she can’t afford the contraception.'"


That is what we call hate speech, let alone total character assassination. Some other Limbaugh gems:

"Feminazi" is hate speech.

"When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an insult ; it's an invitation." Hate speech.

On a Mexican national winner of the NYC marathon: "An immigration agent chased him for the last 10 miles." Hate speech.

Referring to Chelsea Clinton at 13: " 'Did you know there's a White House dog?' Hate speech.

"Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and Crips without any weapons. There, I said it." Hate speech.

"I mean, why didn't these morons leave New Orleans before the hurricane? I'll tell you why because they wanted to rape and loot! That's just the way some people are! And if they're black -- the rapists and looters are black -- it's not George Bush's fault! We've had these problems ever since the Emancipation Proclamation. Once the whites leave town all you've got is overwhelming lawlessness." Hate speech.

You want me to go on?, 'cause I can.

Tumbulu

(6,292 posts)
104. But I maintain that hate radio, by using public ally funded airwaves
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:15 AM
Oct 2013

Should not be allowed to spew hate and lies. f they want to spout that stuff, they need to pay for the airwaves, not use public ones.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. Anger is addictive, right wing talk radio is designed to make you angry
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:29 PM
Oct 2013

It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with the host, either way you are going to be angry and you'll more than likely tune in the next show for another anger fix.

I was a talk radio listener for quite a long time and then one day realized that shouting at the radio in the car was becoming an everyday event, often multiple times per day. I turned the tuner off talk radio and never turned it back on again.

dotymed

(5,610 posts)
139. With the reagan repeal
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:58 PM
Oct 2013

of the fairness doctrine, it is TeeVee news shows as well as hate radio.

The court ruled (in FLA years ago) that "news" programs are not responsible for being truthful in their content.

FDR had the Farness Doctrine enforced by the FCC for a reason. So Americans could be honestly informed and people with other view points could express them. That is the way to keep a well informed public.

We used to be....

GatorOrange

(63 posts)
11. After a childhood spent listening to the RW talk radio drivel...
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:37 PM
Oct 2013

I'm very lucky to have had my eyes opened in my early 20's to the game they play. Many people I know were sucked into the vortex never escaped it.

Everything is designed to ensnare people into the RW media bubble and to keep a person as emotionally dependent on the product as possible.

Even though we've won the popular vote in 4 out of 5 Presidential Elections since the founding of Faux News and the Telecom Act of 1996 that allowed the rise of the non-Limbaugh nationally syndicated idiots like Beck/Hannity/ect; the damage done to discourse in this nation has been brutal. In the case of Beck he's building an empire of media/influence based on his batshit crazy views. This has got to stop at some point. The only way to defeat them is with the truth, exposing their hypocrisy, and going on the offensive against their lies. Which is so much easier now with internet links and fact based WebPages that smack down their bs. I'll NEVER stop trying to get loved ones or people I see as a victim of the big RW media lie out of that bubble. Every once in a while eyes can be opened like my own were.

 

fitman

(482 posts)
12. I've seen the most change of all in women who listen to talk radio
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:41 PM
Oct 2013

When I grew up women were middle of the road, willing to listen to both sides, they were reasonable, compassionate


I cannot believe the hatred coming from some women today who listed to RW talk radio....it's almost like an old B movie sci fli flick with mind control..women 10-15 years ago who I got along with now are barely recognizable..in real life meeting or facebook etc.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
21. A recent example
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:04 PM
Oct 2013

Although thank God I didn't grow up here. But in this tiny RedNeckLand town there's one very sweet old lady who volunteers at our small library. I went in yesterday and she started to tell me with tears in her eyes about the Doctors W/O Borders going into Africa and restoring people's eyesight for a mere $11 in expense, borne by the charity of course. I said yes, the news story brought in many thousands of dollars in contributions and I was glad to hear of it.

But the woman behind the desk started to gripe! They'll never see a penny of that $! Doesn't do any good anyway! yada yada.

My friend reminded her that these were mostly poor little kids, for heaven's sake. Nasty didn't even slow down. I told her, look - the $ goes to the charity to meet their expenses and they alleviate human suffering all over the world. I can't think of a holier call. And people who really didn't have $11 to spare were contributing. (Poor people per capita give more to charity than most rich people.)

Nasty knew I wasn't about to turn loose of her until she shut up, so finally she did. That's one of the best things about retirement; awfully hard to get fired. I didn't call her the selfish bleep she is in so many words, but my meaning was quite clear even to her. (That helps explain why I'm so popular around here!)

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
14. The reason that Limbaugh and other like him are so effective
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:43 PM
Oct 2013

is that they play into the human instinct of tribalism. The other people, the people that aren't like you. They are the ones that are ruining the country , need to be punished or controlled. It's the same reason that humans are always having wars.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
94. Plus about a million. My mom used to reply to the RW emails she got with links
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:37 PM
Oct 2013

Last edited Tue Oct 8, 2013, 04:29 PM - Edit history (1)

to Snopes.com that disproved the RW lies. At first they just ignored her replies. But a few years ago they began replying and saying that Snopes was owned by "flaming liberal" George Soros and is completely biased.

When I heard this, I thought, Well, that's it. They have it all sewn up. The have closed the circle and these people will never accept anything Fox and the rest of the RWers tell them isn't true.

By the way, in case anyone hears that Snopes lie, here's a good debunking:

JHB

(37,161 posts)
111. I've seen this recently. "Snopes is in Obama's pocket"...
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:39 AM
Oct 2013

... Or words to hat effect. All I could think was "I'm sure it may seem that way, but only because of the sheer volume of easily-debunkable horseshit you guys generate."

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
157. Exactly. Same with them blaming the MSM for (supposedly) reporting
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 12:19 AM
Oct 2013

more negative stories about Republicans. Well, if the Rs do more negative crap, then there should be more negative stories about them! But not in RW world.

madaboutharry

(40,216 posts)
17. The question that I want answered
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:51 PM
Oct 2013

is why are some susceptible to propaganda and others not. What is it about human nature that allows certain people with certain types of personalities to fall victim to it.

sammytko

(2,480 posts)
23. Me too. I listened to Glenn Beck on my commute to schoool and i generally scoffed
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:06 PM
Oct 2013

at all he proposed. I never got sucked in.

Another guy I listened to was Dave Ramsey. I enjoyed the caller's stories and used them as a what not to do type of thing.

He was very pro George Bush, but I tuned out that. When Obama won, he kind of toned it down because he probably realized that the tide was turning. Well now that people seem to be up in arms again, he has made another turn. Don't listen to him now because he is too preachy.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
114. The demographics for Fox and the rest are overwhelming: mature white men
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:02 AM
Oct 2013

The average age of a Fox News viewer is 68 years old.

The audience for broadcast TV and radio decreases yearly as the portion of Americans who no longer use TV as a news source grows.

TV is a passive, hypnotic medium. Much of it works on an emotional and subconscious level. People are already angry, especially in morning traffic. They take the free floating anger that people have and give it a target. Listening to hate radio is like a dream state where the mind is easily tampered with. Combined with driving, which is also hypnotic, it is the perfect way to brainwash millions of commuters and attach a (different) target to the anger they already feel.

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
125. You might want to read
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:48 AM
Oct 2013

"The Paranoid Style in American Politics," by Hofstadter. I've gleaned from several resources that about a quarter of our population is rabidly right wing (we could say "extremist," but that carries a pejorative that nets nothing but resentment), and willing to believe FOX and the other vile propagandists mentioned herein above.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
18. I just posted this in another thread
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 04:52 PM
Oct 2013

before I saw this.
"I was in touch with my ex this week. He used to be a flaming liberal with a good soul. He was all about the "takers" and how tired he was of them. It was like he was invaded by aliens or something. It made me really sad. I really think Fox and other media is brain poison. I really do.:

I can't tell you how sad listening to him made me. He used to be the kindest person. Not great husband material but really a wonderful person. To hear him ranting about the government and the takers was a huge shock.

ffr

(22,671 posts)
22. Maybe why there are so many zombie shows on now
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:06 PM
Oct 2013

I haven't been affected by someone transforming in my immediate circle, but I agree with everything said here. The right-wing radicalization is corrosive to their minds. It must eat up the deductive thought process part of their brains.

Sorry about your ex.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
59. Thanks, he has been an ex for decades but we have kept in tough sporadically over the years.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Oct 2013

It was like someone else had taken over his body.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
26. I thought I was marrying Morris Dees but mine turned out to be more like David Duke.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:11 PM
Oct 2013

Been almost 30 years since he darkened my door. I hope it's at least another 30 before he does again, because he knows if I were totally incapacitated I'd find a way to kick his butt out.

llmart

(15,545 posts)
36. It happened to my ex, too......
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:35 PM
Oct 2013

which is why he's my ex. I could have lived with just a difference of opinion, but once he got heavy into listening to Rush and then Faux came along, well, I could just see the change in him and so could his grown kids. He never smiled any longer, he spent more and more time isolated from people and us, his anger grew and turned into cruelty and hatred. I honestly couldn't believe what had happened to him and of course, the anger and cruelty was taken out on me.

Even before it got this bad in our country, I saw this happening in my own house and I told people that Rush was a dangerous person. These people don't realize that bringing all that negativity and hatred into their souls on a daily basis just eats at them little by little and they suffer from it mentally and physically, but they are too ignorant to see what was really causing it.

I do think it makes for a good sociological study - how and who is more likely to get sucked into listening to this stuff day after day and why and the effects on their personalities. I don't know, maybe the crap that they spew just emboldens those who never really formed opinions of their own.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
45. Well, some scientific study a year or so ago
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:49 PM
Oct 2013

did find that conservatives at heart tend to be more fearful types, xenophobic and all; while more liberals are self assured and have enough emotional grit to care about the rest of humanity in addition to themselves. Which is actually enlightened self interest in practice - we don't think it makes any sense to foul the world's nest. Plus by and large liberals are just plain smarter in general. I hear Cruz actually has a high IQ like Buckley did; how shameful the use it was/is put to.

Anyway, my ex never laid a violent hand on me because I told him early on that if he did, one of us wouldn't live to tell about it. His growing sociopathy made him too dangerous to keep, though, because I could see he was a ticking time bomb. Lots of people told me later they'd really been worried about me. Before the Big Break, more than one of my platonic male friends requested the honor of beating the crap out of him. They could've, too, individually since their favorite sport was full contact karate. There were days I almost regretted turning them down.

llmart

(15,545 posts)
58. Oh, I understand and saw it personally....
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:15 PM
Oct 2013

they definitely live their lives from a fear based perspective. He had anxiety issues along with OCD, and as they say, age only exacerbates personality disorders. I also think it bothered him that I had a much higher IQ than he did

Being the liberal that I am, I don't hate the man. I just feel extreme sadness at what he devolved into. But I was damned I would be taken down with him! I have a very strong sense of self and I wasn't about to change my views and become hate-filled just to massage his low self-esteem.

My ex never laid a hand on me either. His modus operandi was passive aggressive remarks and put downs, but then I also understood that those came from his own feelings of inadequacy.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
66. I think one reason we survive is that we know how to hang together, too.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:33 PM
Oct 2013

Everyone needs emotional support. Them that gives, gets.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
127. I can so relate to this comment
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:50 AM
Oct 2013

Been there, done that..."he wasn't going to take me down with him"...exact words I thought; then and now.

We're lucky enough to get out alive.

Onward soldier.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
40. it requires a suspension of reality
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:42 PM
Oct 2013

To believe most of the hate spewed by the right. Perhaps it is a form of mental illness...it is most definitely brainwashing. It would interesting to compare the rw indoctrination techniques to those of gangs and other organized criminals. Fanatics, like gang members, probably have a desperate need to belong, and to feel like rebels. I feel sorry for your friend. It seems to me that when you resent everyone who doesn't and think and live like you...that sounds like someone who has a big gaping hole inside. You cannot hate anyone else unless you hate yourself. Sad.

cilla4progress

(24,756 posts)
132. What I've heard is that our dire economic
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:25 AM
Oct 2013

situation, resource depletion and environmental degradation, as well as splintered media / information sources is dividing people in new ways, and pitting them against one another.

In other words, this tribalism and inter-personal animosity is a natural outcome of our downward spiralling access to quality of life. Reminds me of Germany in the 1920s-30s.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. Not surprised. Truckers are their own worst enemy. They support the party that screws them over.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

I hear it every single damn day.

They believe the most insane bullshit it's frightening.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
67. A trucker friend of mine turned pretty conservative too
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:36 PM
Oct 2013

It was as if he came to believe that since he was a trucker, he had to become conservative.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
152. My dad was a former trucker and diesel mechanic
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:19 PM
Oct 2013

However, as I detailed in another post, he never bought into Limbaugh's bullshit.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
25. Did You Know POTUS Flew Bo On A Private Jet
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:10 PM
Oct 2013

because they and their staff of hundreds forgot their beloved dog on their way to Martha's Vineyard.

I met me a teapublican type a couple weeks ago - this was just one of the bizarre untrue comments she had to say. Pictures of her & the family with guns on her phone.

First time I really ever met someone so uninformed and extreme - it didn't end well. My friend who brought her to my home should have warned me.


Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
30. I'll bet my own dad is worse
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:20 PM
Oct 2013

Same dynamic though. He always leaned conservative but since the '08 elections he's really become a spouting, NASTY, angry man who politicizes EVERYthing. Overlay that upon an already stubborn and curmudgeonly template and you have the makings for an insufferable SOB.

I had to cancel an upcoming planned visit to him due to logistical concerns but I realize now that if I did, and during this GOP shutdown issue, we'd have damn near had a fist fight.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
70. I can't figure it out. There's no logical reason for it.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:52 PM
Oct 2013

Though I've inquired as to why he's so angry, but only at a 45 degree angle....that is never directly, as it would just be throwing gas on a fire. He's reasonably healthy, living a affluent retired dream life of doing fun stuff, no financial worries, but still peevish. He once asked me to describe him in fewest words and I replied frankly: "Bitter". He was surprised. I then basically stated every reason he should be happy and easy going. Trouble is, he's really only happy "on paper". The best I can surmise, that is, the vibe I get most is that he's paranoid about being or becoming irrelevant somehow. His life long he was always preachy and opinionated and I think he clearly sees his views are way out of synch with today's and he just can't deal with it. In his circle of somewhat like minded friends, he's most comfortable. I say "somewhat" because though they are conservative they are not nearly as much as him but they more or less pander to him to keep things civil. They haven't said this but I can sense it. I was hoping that through the passing of time he would finally realize the futility of fighting the changing of times and give in and just chill out. Instead he just gets angrier.

Thanks for letting me vent. It actually felt good to "say" what I've always bottled up.

LuvNewcastle

(16,847 posts)
82. My dad is very similar to yours. He should have nothing to
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 08:05 PM
Oct 2013

complain about, but that's all he does. His friends are just the same. My brother is 5 years younger than me and he is just as bad. I live at the poverty level and they're all well-off, yet I'm 10 times happier than they are. I'm the only liberal in my immediate family and family gatherings have gotten to be a bit of a chore. All they can talk about is the off-the-wall shit they hear in RW Media Land.

Snarkoleptic

(5,998 posts)
89. I read your post and it sounded exactly what I was going to write.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:18 PM
Oct 2013

Even down to the the younger pug brother who's 5-years my junior.

My folks recently got a new teevee and the faux newz cubic rotating thingie was permanently burned into the lower left corner of the old one before it failed and needed to be replaced.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
105. that's it. bitter without cause.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:32 AM
Oct 2013

My older sister is a tea bagger. She has always been conservative, but in the last ten years she has become bitter and meanspirited. She does have some latent racist tendencies. And she is an authoritarian and perhaps a narcissist as well.

But the bitterness is out of proportion to her life, which is comfortable suburban.

LittleGirl

(8,287 posts)
128. exact same sister in my family
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:02 AM
Oct 2013

only outwardly racist and proud of it.
gawd, it's like the stepford wives have an authoritarian, narcissist and racist bitterness toward others. They use that phrase "Bless their heart"...so and so did (fill in the blank)...and "I've got mine, sucks to be you" attitude.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
44. sounds like mine
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:48 PM
Oct 2013

problem is I'm suffering from a clinical depression so like someone who's beat down 24/7 I don't have the omph to leave

and of course going to Church for him is just for show. Comes home and tears the ten commandments to 100 different pieces.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
47. Which also goes to explain
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:50 PM
Oct 2013

why some of my comments on this site and else where make little sense. Depends on if I'm thinking straight I'm still sore on one single juror's comment and I've already stated it and not looking like a broken record. Yes I do have a temper. Brought on some from Depression.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
32. My dad was exposed to it nearly every day...but he didn't fall for it, thank God
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:24 PM
Oct 2013

He was a diesel mechanic and many of his colleagues listened to Limbaugh on their radios. A trucking company garage is a noisy place and occasionally they would turn their radios up. However, when my old man would hear it he would yell "TURN THAT SHIT DOWN FAR ENOUGH WHERE I DON'T HAVE TO HEAR IT!" He told me that on break some of his colleagues would start in about "the damn Democrats...tax and spend...Bill Clinton's ruining the country." He would counter with "The Republicans are just as damn guilty with all their kissing the rich man's asses, so don't start with that!" He died in 2005. I miss him.

I first heard Limbaugh in early 1992. I thought "is this guy for real?" I thought he was some sort of comedian. I read his first book and was horrified that someone actually believed that kind of bullshit. Then his TV show...and I heard people talking, saying this guy was virtually going to "save" America from all the rotten liberals. He's just got worse and worse ever since, and richer and richer off spreading hatred.

I have read many accounts of how much Limbaugh, if you meet him personally away from all his bluster, is purportedly a really nice guy. That tells me (if true) that he knows exactly what he's doing and is manipulating the thoughts of people to his own end...for his own aggrandisement and/or to the end of manipulating national politics toward a one-party Republican state.

Of course, he declaims any responsibility. He says he is "just an entertainer," a commentator "illustrating the absurd by being absurd" and even his favourite "harmless little fuzzball."

Ever since 20 January 1981 the politics of this country have been pushed (not moving, pushed) steadily to the right. It was more gradual until Limbaugh came along. Since then, it's gone so hand over fist that firmly centre-right Democrats like Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been demonised as "Marxists." The Republican Party has become more like the British National Front. The Tea Party is just the John Birch Society with Gadsden flags, tricorn hats and Sarah Palin.

Limbaugh has poisoned political discourse in this country to the point where I have read that singles adverts now include that they will not date members of the "other party." There are online forums where I have received death threats for daring to challenge Limbaugh. I don't take them seriously - keyboard commandos who wouldn't have the guts to say to one's face the kind of BS they say online - but it's an illustration of just how badly this man (and his later clones) has infected the politics and even interpersonal relationships in this country. Even families have been divided on whether or not you're "conservative" or "liberal."

Instead of his aim of "uniting" this country under "traditional Republican values," he has divided us to the point where we are on the brink of a civil war of some kind. Normally I am not that kind of tinfoil-hat alarmist but I have seen it more and more, especially since President Obama was elected (remember "Barack the Magic Negro?&quot .

His disciples say "you libs must be scared of Rush to pay so much attention to him." I am not scared of Rush. He would not be able to debate any reasonable person, either in person (how often has he done that?) or on his radio show (his screener sees to that). However, the effect he has had on this country scares the hell out of me.

I do not in any way support harming or trying to muzzle Limbaugh. That would just make him a martyr to his followers and confirm their circular argument that "the lamestream media" really, truly is "persecuting" them and only Limbaugh, Fox, Hannity, Levin, etc. are "telling the truth" and "keeping America alive."

However, again at the risk of being alarmist, I think we have come too far to go back. Limbaugh and his infection are here to stay, and the lines have been drawn for a long time.

I just pray that when the other shoe drops, I am not around to see it.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
37. Alvin Toffler's book Future Shock
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:35 PM
Oct 2013

A best seller when it came out in the 1970's I think. Predicted all this. Books that I loved at the time, I love to go back and read again years later with the perspective of time. Toffler hit the nail on the head.

BellaKos

(318 posts)
98. Well, said.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:12 AM
Oct 2013

It might interest you to know that during the '92 campaign, Limbaugh had a closed door meeting with Bob Doyle and George H. W. Bush at the White House. So, you can see that this has been part of a "plan" for at least that long. David Brock's book, "Blinded by the Right," traces it back to Nixon's use of coded, racist language during the '68 campaign in order to get the Dixiecrat vote.

And I agree with you about the nature of this infection. Since "lib'rils" are now characterized as "enemies" of Mom, Apple Pie, and all things good in 'Merika, all it would take is for Limbaugh or Beck to say that "patriots" must take drastic action to save the country. At which point, Ditto-heads would take up arms against us.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
143. I knew about Limbaugh's stay in the WH
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 01:54 PM
Oct 2013

I think he got to sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom.

Bush I scrambled desperately to get Limbaugh's support. If you read his first book, he supported Pat Buchanan all the way.

I would like to see those "patriots" take up arms against well-trained National Guard troops.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
34. Long story short - I no longer have any living relatives of first or second degree
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:27 PM
Oct 2013

except for my kid sister, who was born a clingy brat and never outgrew it. She's a first class passive-agressive borderline personality. Blames it on the fact that I mostly ran with my older brothers and ignored her, but she's such a BLEEP! that I told her more than once it was better than other things I could think of; let's not go into gory details here.

So she ran off with some yahoo who gave her a bunch of kids and beat her black and blue, then left. Apparently I had something to do with that too. So you can guess what political track she's followed. Now that she's unable to work anymore and her state slashed her social net to shreds a few months ago, she decided I should let her move in with me. I read her the riot act and told her what the rules would be, knowing what she'd do. She cussed me out, said as usual for the thousandth time that I'm dead to her (except when she needs me), and slammed down the phone. At least she had the sense to call first instead of showing up at my door with a pickup full of junk and big dogs like someone else did last year.

My dearest friend in all the world, still in L.A., knows she can come stay anytime as long as she needs or wants. But then she's nicer and saner than those other 2 put together. It might sound wrong to some people, but to me blood doesn't always come first. I'll wish any crackpot relatives the best in the world, but they're not bringing their filth into my house. Period. And I don't tolerate my peace being disturbed either. Sad, but I've never been shy about parameters.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
95. I'm with you, Irish
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:46 PM
Oct 2013

It's still a sad thing to have to do. But sometimes there's no real choice, and no love lost because there was none to be lost in the first place.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
60. I'm glad my service was before that time
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:18 PM
Oct 2013

Of course, once I'd got enough stripes on my sleeve, I'd have said "I have to hear this BS daily. I don't want to hear it in this shop on drill weekends."

Those who wanted it could try and overrule me by going to the First Shirt (AF term for First Sergeant), but the Shirt usually has more important things to worry about.

Initech

(100,090 posts)
38. It's truly disgusting what right wing propaganda has done to this country.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:40 PM
Oct 2013

It gave us the worst president in American history, who has been allowed to go free from what he has brought on this world - two unwinnable, never ending wars, bankrupted the country, and now we have the worst Congress ever.

Uncle Joe

(58,378 posts)
39. Kicked and recommended, this sentence on the Daily Kos link is the money shot.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:42 PM
Oct 2013


This documentary will look at the changes that happened to a dad (and many others) when he changed his media habits. Then we look at how the media itself changed and the effect it had on our country. The media has a powerful influence on the American mind – so much so that one could argue: if you control the Media, you control the American Mind.



That's what it all boils down to.


Thanks for the thread, babylonsister.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
41. My dad was always a Republican
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:44 PM
Oct 2013

But he's Tea Party now. Says the Republicans are alll Democrats.. and that obamacare is about anarchy and we are in a self imposed anarchy from the Dems. Which once upon a time dad had a brain. Doesn't seem to have one anymore. Thinks the ACA will fall before the months out.

Cha

(297,435 posts)
43. It's sad sad sad, babylonsistah..
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:45 PM
Oct 2013

Profiteering Brainwashing in America. Thankfully, Jen Senko is highlighting this tragedy..

Too bad her Dad was susceptible. I hadn't watched tv for 10 years when I moved to NY in 1998. When I got a tv at the end of 1999 I was surfing around and watched fox for about 2 weeks before I saw what they were doing.. And, then in 2002 I stopped all forms of corporate media and was fortunate enough to get a computer for the sole purpose of political activism and find DU.. and subsequently other sites like TOD et al.

I've heard over the years through my son that my ex husband is a fox news truther("it's all true&quot .. AKA brainwashed American.

diane in sf

(3,916 posts)
48. This has happened to several members of my family too, dad, brother, sister-in-law, other brother
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 05:52 PM
Oct 2013

because sister-in-law has a dominating personality. The all spent long times in cars with Limbo on all local stations no balancing view, no liberal voices. My dad got sucked in by the TV.

yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)
51. I would go so far to say that this Governement Shutdown has a direct
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:05 PM
Oct 2013

Correlation with Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Micheal Savage, and others. The Tea party grew out of people watching Fox News and listening to Limbaugh. All These Tea party Republicans who have taken over the Republican party...listen to Fox News only most of them.

I would not even doubt if it was Fox News that put them up to the shut down.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
61. Agreed, but more likely
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:19 PM
Oct 2013

It is more likely the corporate plutarchs like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers who are putting them up to it.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
71. You mean good ol' Rupert Murdoch?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:55 PM
Oct 2013

The guy who took out US citizenship to circumvent laws on foreign ownership of US media?

However, he didn't renounce his Australian citizenship...nor did he return the Order of Australia awarded him by Queen Elizabeth II (nice little fat stipend that goes with that).

yuiyoshida

(41,833 posts)
72. Yeah I could not remember his name...
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 07:01 PM
Oct 2013

For some reason Rodger Ailes kept popping up and I knew it was not him.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
113. Ailes doesn't own FOX, but he's the guy who runs it...
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:51 AM
Oct 2013

...and it's his brainchild. Back when he was with Nixon he wanted to create a "GOP TV" where they could control the message (because the rest of the press was too "liberal" to let their talking points pass by unquestioned). He didn't get it then, but Murdoch gave Hime the chance years later, and FOX news was born.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
62. Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Fox News, et al are like something out of H.P. Lovecraft
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:24 PM
Oct 2013

They opened a door and let something truly dark and evil into the world, something that's possessed and changed the people who listen to their hate. Sometimes I think that the RW hate-talkers are actually mediums for whatever horrible realm that evil comes from.

I've seen too many people changed by listening to these monsters. I've talked before of my cousin: She's been keeping a copy of Glenn Beck's Agenda 21 on a reading stand like a devotional, which I guess it is for her.

A couple of years ago, I was riding with her when she started raving about Acorn being Nazis and her hopes that Air Force One would fly into the side of a mountain. She turned to me, with her eyes closed and her face distorted by hate! She terrified me, not just because I thought she might crash the car (It was an icy day, so driving was dangerous enough!).

That's my Mom's side of the family. It's really sad, because Mom was the gentlest, most tolerant person you could meet.

'Monstrous' is one of the nicer words I can use to describe these hate-talkers.

blm

(113,078 posts)
69. Prior to Australian extortionist's FOX news, the Korean cult leader began Moonie News
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 06:41 PM
Oct 2013

and developed many of the 'news sources' and GOP talking points that the right wing has been relying on for decades.

http://www.amazon.com/Bad-Moon-Rising-Washington-Religious/dp/0979482232

Bad Moon Rising: How Reverend Moon Created the Washington Times, Seduced the Religious Right, and Built an American Kingdom Hardcover
by John Gorenfeld

The GOP's $3 Billion Propaganda Organ

By Robert Parry (A Special Report)
December 27, 2006
The American Right achieved its political dominance in Washington over the past quarter century with the help of more than $3 billion spent by Korean cult leader Sun Myung Moon on a daily propaganda organ, the Washington Times, according to a 21-year veteran of the newspaper.

George Archibald, who describes himself “as the first reporter hired at the Washington Times outside the founding group” and author of a commemorative book on the Times’ first two decades, has now joined a long line of disillusioned conservative writers who departed and warned the public about extremism within the newspaper.

In an Internet essay on recent turmoil inside the Times, Archibald also confirmed claims by some former Moon insiders that the cult leader has continued to pour in $100 million a year or more to keep the newspaper afloat. Archibald put the price tag for the newspaper’s first 24 years at “more than $3 billion of cash.”

At the newspaper’s tenth anniversary, Moon announced that he had spent $1 billion on the Times – or $100 million a year – but newspaper officials and some Moon followers have since tried to low-ball Moon’s subsidies in public comments by claiming they had declined to about $35 million a year.

The figure from Archibald and other defectors from Moon’s operation is about three times higher than the $35 million annual figure.

The apparent goal of downplaying Moon’s subsidy has been to quiet concerns that Moon was funneling vast sums of illicit money into the United States to influence the American political process in ways favorable to right-wing leaders – and possibly criminal cartels – around the world.
>>>>>
MUCH MORE:
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2006/122706.html

dougolat

(716 posts)
73. I've seen it too. So many people have limited media choices, and the...
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 07:09 PM
Oct 2013

Billionair's Bullhorn has actively worked to buy-out and silence other voices, nationally and locally, for decades.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
74. This puzzles the hell out of me, having grown up in a very liberal family and married into another
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 07:12 PM
Oct 2013

family including some very hard core union organizers in the past. My late father-in-law loved him some Rush Limbaugh. Used to actually roll around on the floor, cracking up! One of his favorite things (although a high school drop out) was to call into conservative talk shows and run them around in circles. I really can't believe anyone's politics being turned around in this way!

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
81. Hate radio succeeds by telling unhappy, unsatisfied people what they want to hear.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 08:02 PM
Oct 2013

It tells them that they would be on top right now, if not for those people. It tells them they're the salt of the earth, the only real Americans, the only people who work hard, etc., etc., but it's all been stolen from them by gays and minorities and over-educated liberals.

It's a powerful message; an easy excuse for why your life hasn't turned out as well as you think it should have.

Alkene

(752 posts)
126. Well said.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:49 AM
Oct 2013

A easy and convenient explanation for, and externalization of, unexamined dissatisfaction.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
84. Question is, is this Country steamrollling to be a totalitarian Police State?
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 08:39 PM
Oct 2013

With attacks on the U.S. Constitution/Bill of Rights since 9/11, militarized police forces, 30,000 Drones, the NSA, privatization on steroids, economic stagnation, Republican Extortion, feckless Democrats, and the slashing of the Social Safety Net, where is this Country headed? Both right now, and under the next Republican Administration (which may well be Teabagger controlled)?? Who could be disappeared first? The gay people?

SpankMe

(2,959 posts)
85. A similar thing has happened to my wife
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:05 PM
Oct 2013

For 20 years she was largely apolitical and she and I could agree on many subjects of political interest. She was pro-environment, pro-animal rights.

Then, her RW mother moved from Ohio to California to be near us. They see each other often and are in constant email contact. Her mother has inundated her with those rancid, whacked out RW emails that lie, mislead and distort everything. When Obama got elected, they both went right wing batshit overboard. My wife joined the NRA because she said she's interested in gun rights all of a sudden. In our fist 20 years of marriage, the subject of guns never came up. Ever. Suddenly, the issue is near and dear to her heart.

I told her she joined the NRA because they are the most vehemently anti-Obama organization and she could get the best anti-Obama stuff from them. She responded with rage.

She's completely indoctrinated now. We never discuss political issues. When we did, she pegged the needle at the Archie Bunker hard right and we ended up screaming.

We're approaching our 26th anniversary, and the last 6 years have been the most miserable ever.

What ever could cause someone to change so radically and so forcefully?

Conservatives totally suck.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
86. The psychology of misplaced blame and right wing propaganda.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 09:13 PM
Oct 2013

A large number of Americans are unhappy with their lives.

They dislike their jobs (if they are fortunate to have a job), feel unappreciated, inadequately paid, worried about the future, and feel unable to do anything about it.

They grasp at any argument that tells them that it is not their fault, that they are victims, and that if life were only fair, they would be wealthy, healthy, and wise.

They don't dare criticize their employers, their bankers, or their health insurers, for fear of retaliation.

So they blame "government" for not making things "right". They are fed propaganda over and over again that government takes their money, in the form of taxes, and gives it to lazy people, illegal immigrants, and "moochers" who lead better lifestyles than they do.

They are told that the "private" sector is more "efficient" (another meaningless buzz word like "free trade&quot even though the "private", corporate sector extracts a greater financial burden on them in the form of high prices, huge profits, and low wages.

This corporate levied financial burden is equivalent to a high TAX, but in contrast to countries with high government taxes, which also provide low cost universal health care, low cost or free education, and are not taxing their people to support a huge military system, people in those other countries enjoy a widespread quality of lifestyle not attained by most Americans.

So, for what they pay overall, Americans are getting less for what they spend than in other "advanced" countries.

Politicians, corporate vultures, and religious zealots have supported right wing think tanks and right wing media to develop and spread concepts that play on people's fears and dissatisfaction. These concepts (or "memes&quot are repeated ad nauseam on talk radio, in newspapers and magazines, in political ads, on TV "news" shows, and by politicians.

These right wing concepts (such as government is "bad", corporations (i.e., the so-called, mislabelled "private sector&quot is "good&quot is repeated so often so many places that no amount of reality will cure these victims of their misconceptions. The right wing has effectively immunized a majority of their followers from the truth.

Those thoroughly infected with the right wing themes are at this stage of their infection most likely incurable.

However, there are a number of people who are agreeable to change their political positions once they are shown how the right wing menace threatens them in some way.

The secret of converting "moderates" away from right wing propaganda so as to embrace reality requires developing dialogue that relates the facts to moderates, but it has to be done in a non-threatening, and non-patronizing way.

Moderates should learn from the methodology of the right wing. Their "think tanks" are mislabelled. There is little "thought" or reasoning behind their propaganda. It is all about marketing techniques.

Liberal "think tanks" should spend less time debating policy, and spend more time evaluating the effectiveness of presentation using focus groups.

While "liberals" attempt to explain their side with incomprehensible, and often irrelevant, graphs, charts, and economic verbiage, the right wing sells their policies with snappy advertisements like those used to sell fast food, breakfast cereal, cell phones, or prescription medicine.

While liberals appeal to reason to change minds, the right wing uses techniques that motivate people to action for right wing causes even though the liberals then ask why these people vote against their own "best" interests. The right wing marketers have convinced such people that right wing policies are in their best interests.

Liberals have to realize that graphs, charts, statistics, and policy presentations aren't going to succeed with people who eschew wonkishness and rely on their gut feelings.

The real reason for the 2010 right wing wins was that they used tried and true marketing techniques to motivate voters to their cause and the Democrats...not so much.


progree

(10,909 posts)
90. Happened to both my parents and my only sibling
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:17 PM
Oct 2013

Definitely to my father, though I think he was already very much inclined that way, so am not sure he was that much changed by it, other than to occasionally utter "B.S. 'Barbara Striesand' " at some liberal point of view or something else he didn't agree with, because that was a favorite utterance of RushiePoo. That, and "I don't think the earth is fragile" regarding climate change, another RushiePoo-ism, that some dodos parrot because they hear someone authoritatively say it on radio / TV over and over again.

More worrisome, my mother and sister were originally quite liberal but they picked up more and more of those attitudes and "facts" from RW radio (that's the only talk radio there is where they live, other than sports). My mother, once a Yellow Dog Democrat and FDR fan starting sounding more and more like Marie Antoinette, "there are plenty of jobs out there, they (the local companies) are all dying for workers" blah blah. My sister started sending around RW crap emails, though I think she kept some liberal views like wildlife and the environment.

Anyway, I think it is extremely important that we endeavor however we can to match RW radio with as much LW radio in as many markets as we can (yes, I know the trend in the last 5 or 8 years has been going in the opposite direction). And TV.

===========
Yellow Dog Democrat -- someone who will vote for any Democrat over a RepubliCON, even if it is a dog. (Yo!)

BellaKos

(318 posts)
99. Sadly
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 12:29 AM
Oct 2013

Air America failed and Al Gore's Current TV has been sold to Al Jazeera.
They found that liberal-minded people have a nuanced perspective and are not susceptible to emotionalism as a basis for an argument.
Consequently, true liberal media has all the razzle-dazzle of C-Span.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
92. same thing happened to my dad
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:22 PM
Oct 2013

Went to his grave a bitter, hateful racist, due entirely to hate radio and Fox.

BellaKos

(318 posts)
96. Me, too.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 11:58 PM
Oct 2013

Years ago, my well educated, soft spoken, kindly sister-in-law became a devotee of Neil Bourtz. At which point, she then became a ranting maniac who was hell-bent on telling *everyone* how uninformed they were of the truth. Main fear: the US will succumb to Islamic law.
Then, I noticed that two friends I've had for years have left the planet. One, a life-long Democrat, now believes that Obama's ACA is gonna' kill her. The other, a very well-educated, "country club" Republican, now believes that Obama is destroying the economy all by himself.
And just this year, I've learned that one of my buddies on the net fears that Obama is going to take away her guns -- to the extent that she has hidden guns all over her house, including under the pillow in her own bed.

The thing is that a normal person like me can't reason with these people. At the first suggestion that their "facts" are in dispute, they then begin to rant, listing the latest "talking points" in a very *aggressive* manner in an effort to intimidate, confuse, and render me silent.

Yes, my friends and relatives have been brainwashed. Right now, they just see me as hopelessly ill-informed by the "li'bril" media. But as time wears on and this infection of hatefulness further overcomes their senses, they will see me -- and you -- as "the enemy."
And, as I mentioned, they have guns.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
101. this is why we feel safer and freer in NYC than these freaks would ever imagine.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 01:06 AM
Oct 2013

I wouldn't last a week where shit like this was tolerated. Someone would shoot me for being a "mouthy bitch".
*counts my blessings*

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
107. I can relate
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:10 AM
Oct 2013

My father is bad enough but too many other people in my life have become paranoid gun nuts and bigots and "discuss" just like the type that you mention in your third paragraph.

Oh, Boortz is one helluva douchebag. I didn't know he was still on. I completely turned him off in the late 90's. Even then I could see that he was such a corporate libertarian that he made even Rush Limbagh look like a populist in comparison.

BellaKos

(318 posts)
112. You're right/
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 06:50 AM
Oct 2013

Boortz retired in January, but he's guest hosting "The New Herman Cain Show" on WSB, Atlanta. Today, coincidentally.

My question: Which comes first? Do the hate-mongers merely *express* the hatefulness that lurks in the dark reaches of the souls of their followers? Or, do they *incite* hatefulness by repeating vile and false ideas again and again? Probably both.

I decided years ago -- around 2005 -- that Bush supporters and/or Dittoheads and the like were either : 1) stupid (as in low IQ); 2) willfully ignorant; or 3) just plain evil. Consequently, I retreated from associating with my sister-in-law as well as my other sister-in-law who said that the way to handle Iraq was to just "nuke 'em and be done with it." I couldn't believe it! Was she *that* ignorant? Or could it be that she was that callous, heartless, and lacking of basic human empathy? In either case, I disassociated myself from both of them.
What has surprised me in the subsequent years, however, is that even my friends have been infected with this kind of hatefulness, too. My friends who were against the war in Iraq (the illegal invasion perpetrated by the criminal Bush cabal), are now talkin' trash about Obama -- as well as everything he says and does (down to what he eats, for gawd's sake). And about their sudden need for guns. One of my friends, the life-long Democrat who is also an environmentalist, said, "I'm gonna' register as a hunter and buy a hunting rifle. That way, when Obama comes to take the guns, he won't take mine because even in Britain, they allow hunters to have their rifles."
I mean, come on.
Another friend, who claims to be spiritually enlightened, is the one I mentioned who has guns all over her house -- literally, behind every door and in her own bed!
Sooooo .... Since I truly believe that this kind of thinking will lead to fascism and the destruction of the Republic, and since any effort I make to dissuade them from their ugly, demented, callous, and self-serving ideas is met with anger, I have to retreat from even my old friends.
I feel like I'm the only one who believes that slavery should be abolished in the company of slave owners. I feel like a Protestant in Catholic Spain in the 1600s. I feel like a hippie on Wall Street. And I wonder and worry where this Great Divide will end.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
116. Without going into too much detail
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:28 AM
Oct 2013

I can confirm this same pattern in my family. Two family members were exposed to Right Wing Radio (bob grant and rush limbaugh) over a long period of years through a long commute to work and I'm seeing the same signs as the author sees in her father. I had even speculated it was the commute that turned them on these very forums years ago. So this is definately not an unexpected conclusion to me.

Kumbricia

(84 posts)
118. I think anyone 35 or under with a teabagger/Limbaugh fan as a parent
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 08:45 AM
Oct 2013

has felt the strain of it, if they've had to boomerang, or ended up borrowing or struggled with finding a job and economic insecurity in a terrible economy. Right wing media drums into the listeners hatred and disgust for poor people which creates an innate lack of sympathy for what their kids are going through, those who graduated high school or college after 2000 into a low-wage workforce. Particularly those blue-collar middle class Republicans, the pull yourself up by your bootstraps type, who grew up and worked in a more egalitarian era themselves who don't know or care that the world they helped create has left fewer opportunities for their kids.

Turborama

(22,109 posts)
119. Only one quibble. Misinformation is false or inaccurate information that is spread unintentionally.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 09:12 AM
Oct 2013
It is distinguished from disinformation which is intended to mislead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misinformation


Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation


dis·in·for·ma·tion noun \ dis-ˌin-fər-ˈmā-shən\
: false information that is given to people in order to make them believe something or to hide the truth http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/disinformation

Grins

(7,221 posts)
123. Edit
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 10:22 AM
Oct 2013

I would edit the opening sentence from:
"Many of us understand the damage Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, and 'hate media' has done to our country..."

To:
Many of us understand the damage the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine has done to our country...."

That's where it started; in the administration of Ronald "Traitor" Reagan. First proposed by a Reagan weasel, Dennis R. Patrick, then FCC Chairman, and came into effect in August 1987, when the FCC formerly abolished the doctrine

jollyreaper2112

(1,941 posts)
131. We all know something is wrong, the difference is in our explanations and solutions
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 11:21 AM
Oct 2013

The way to understand the Faux Effect is to read Hitler's speeches. When it came to describing what was wrong in Germany, how it felt to be broke-ass and losing ground, Hitler could emote it. Same way Clinton could feel our pain. That kind of connection, that kind of sympathy, people respond to it. And Hitler wasn't wrong about how bad the Weimar was fucked. He wasn't wrong about describing how bad off the Allies left Germany after the war. We was working class. Before the Nazis took off, he was dirt-poor. He could legitimately claim to be of the common volk. He went off the rails when he moved from describing the problems to explaining how they came about as well as the needed solutions. But people were so swept up in the story they didn't follow through all the fiddly details.

We are getting fucked. My dad can understand how things are bad. He just falls for the GOP line about why they're bad, who the causes are. Hitler blamed the Jews, the Republicans blame brown people and liberals. Problem is you're trying to make a rational argument to someone who's swept up with emotion and fervor. You'd have as much luck debunking the Bible at a revival.

Raffi Ella

(4,465 posts)
147. It happened to both my brothers.
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 02:32 PM
Oct 2013

My older brother I kind of understand how it happened, but my younger brother. wow. I will forever be shocked that he became a right wing evangelical teabagger. We didn't grow up that way, he was a great guy. I blame a lot of it as just living his whole life in the South( where Jesus and the rightwing are Kings) and our family being non religious/non political - that old adage about not standing for something you'll fall for anything but honestly. If you'da told me when we were teenagers that he would end up a fanatical religious rightwinger it would have been so foreign to both of us we both would have laughed at you.


I feel shame over it and I miss him a lot. We were as close as twins growing up. It's just sad. It's good to see others sharing their stories about this, makes me feel less alone.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
153. My dad went the other way
Mon Oct 7, 2013, 03:24 PM
Oct 2013

He used to vote Republican in the days when Republican meant guys like Bloomberg, ie the Northeast conservative. Really all he was concerned with was balancing the budget, he thought putting children in debt for the costs incurred by their grandparents was immoral.

Since the Clinton and Bush years, he went far to the left. He doesn't think he moved any, just that the two parties have gone so far right that he was left behind. He may have a point on that, as he's practically in Green Party territory on the political spectrum.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
159. ...but that's not due to propaganda...
Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:30 AM
Apr 2014

...your father refused to let media do his thinking for him.

And he, you, and the nation are all the better for it.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,771 posts)
158. Books on CD, commuter people! You don't need to listen to RW hate
Wed Oct 9, 2013, 12:25 AM
Oct 2013

radio. Get a library card and check out audio books. On CD and for your ipod. I guess it's too late , though, because now they'll only check out RW books.

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