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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCan someone explain how are district lines drawn?
Should this be done by a bipartisan panel or atleast in way that ensures no particular side has an advantage?
Think of it .. if one side redraws the lines completely to their advantage - that ensures that they will stay in power. This is inherently undemocratic.
legcramp
(288 posts)EOM
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Since the GOP concentrates on such state-level positions, and holds most of them in many states, they control the process, overall.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)About thirty years ago I took a geography class of some kind, and one of our little projects was to draw new Congressional districts for some state, not our own. It was surprisingly tricky to make it so that they were of reasonably equal population than you'd think. And I don't recall that we even had information on voter registrations, meaning we couldn't even play with making districts more one party than the other.
I've long thought that all redistricting should be done this way. Maybe start completely from scratch. Give the task to people who have no idea what the original districts look like. Don't let them know anything about voter registrations. See what they come up with.
It could work.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)by using a citizens' commission instead of one made up of politicians. Go figure.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)...each line being either the shortest distance between two points, or a segment of a state or international boundary, or a water course.
That would keep the districts from being all convuluted and horseshoe-shaped, I would thing.
You could follow a river or lake as one "line" of the district border, I but I think it would be damn hard to gerrymander things.
Retrograde
(10,142 posts)which is what makes it more challenging. California, for example, has some huge Congressional districts that cover the rural areas, while Los Angeles has a few of its own.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)In cities, I would expect a lot of square districts that overlap the main streets.
I looked at NYC's districts; a lot of them are pretty regular in shape, so gerrymandering probably isn't much of a problem.
But you get the idea. Following the coastline is one "line", in my system, so in a lot of these districts they would have 5 more lines to round things out.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)The 14th is Eliot Engel's district. No way he should be representing people in Queens. That district should be entirely in the Bronx.
The 8th looks pretty weird too, but I don't know anything about Brooklyn. Don't speak it, far as I know don't have a valid visa to go there.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)AZ has about the best system, it is independent and enshrined in the constitution. Here are the criteria:
The six criteria the commission attempts to satisfy, in descending order of importance, are:
1.that they are in compliance with the U.S. Constitution and the Voting Rights Act,
2.that districts are roughly equal in population,
3.that they appear compact and contiguous,
4.that they respect communities of interest,
5.that they incorporate visible geographic features; city, town, and county boundaries; and undivided census tracts;
6.and that they are electorally competitive as long as the aforementioned criteria are satisfied.[8][9][10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_in_Arizona
Arizona a "red" state has 6 Democratic and 5 Republican Congress people.
Ptah
(33,033 posts)Mission: The Independent Redistricting Commission's mission is to redraw Arizonas
congressional and legislative districts to reflect the results of the most recent census.
The concept of one-person, one-vote dictates that districts should be roughly equal
in population. Other factors to be considered are the federal Voting Rights Act,
district shape, geographical features, respect for communities of interest and
potential competitiveness. The state Constitution requires the commissioners two Republicans,
two Democrats and an independent chairwoman
to start from scratch rather than redraw existing districts.
http://azredistricting.org/
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Thanks, grantcart.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)folks in back rooms. We're doing a little better out here in California, as noted above.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)Think about how electronic voting systems can throw elections at the speed of light...and, theoretically, those things should be able to count votes far better than humans.
bhikkhu
(10,720 posts)A good article on it here: http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2011/05/redistricting-gerrymandering-and-the-constitution/
DURHAM D
(32,611 posts)depends on who controls the legislature and governor's office.
One for our side is the 12th in North Carolina. Link to map of the district:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:North_Carolina_12th_Congressional_District_(National_Atlas).gif
Obviously it looks strange.
From Cong. Mel Watt's wikipedia entry -
Racial Gerrymandering
In 1994, the existence of his district was challenged as an instance of racial gerrymandering. The accusation was found to be true, but upheld as "narrowly tailored to further the state's compelling interest in complying with the Voting Rights Act".
From wikipedia regarding the 12th district -
North Carolina's 12th congressional district is located in central North Carolina and comprises portions of Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Greensboro, Lexington, Salisbury, Concord, and High Point. It is an example of gerrymandering.[2] It was one of two minority-majority Congressional districts created in the state in the 1990s. Since the 2010 census, it has a small plurality of whites.
Link to wiki entry for the 12th - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina's_12th_congressional_district
MineralMan
(146,320 posts)So, there is no simple answer. It is a state issue, as are most issues having to do with elections. The Constitution sets it up that way. Somestates have a non partisan method. Others are very partisan.