Starfish Turn To Goo, Pacific Sardine Population Collapses, Pink Salmon Turned Canary Yellow Inside

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Biologist finds pink salmon that are canary yellow on Canada’s Pacific coast — Insides also yellow: Heart parts, gill arches, spines, cartilage in head — Spleens swollen, livers spotted, some with bugged-out eyes (PHOTOS)

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NPR: Starfish epidemic “moving fast” — Turning into ‘goo’ in Washington, not just Canada — “Virus, bacteria or something else entirely”? “Will it spread to other sea life and other parts of West Coast?” (AUDIO)



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‘Troubling Mystery’: Complete collapse of sardine population on West Coast of Canada around Vancouver — Official: It’s ‘unexpected’ — Expert: Humpback whales rarely seen, they’re telling us something changed… nobody knows what’s going on

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[NYC_SKP]

1. I don't think it's related to Fukushima.

But I'd prefer if that was the case.

Because the alternative is far more scary: global breakdown due to a new organism or impacts from acidification or other anthropogenic conditions.

[kentauros]

4. I was thinking of acidification first.

But I don't know anything about marine biology to state that as anything but a guess.

[NYC_SKP]

5. The concentrations of radioactive isotopes is nowhere near levels that can cause these problems.

Especially this far from the point source.

It's very worrisome, whatever it is.

[kentauros]

6. Yes, I thought of the radioactive contanimation,

but it wouldn't work either that fast or that completely. It has to be either a condition of the water, or some kind of bacterial.viral issue. I can't think of anything else that could make such a thing happen to their bodies like that.

[NYC_SKP]

7. It's really icky, isn't it? Like a flesh eating organism.

I don't know.

We gotta keep positive thoughts, our scientific tools allow us to see things that may have been there but evaded detection.

So, maybe it's a local problem in each case and not a systemic irreversible global thing.

[kentauros]

9. "Local problem" is a good observation.

It doesn't take much to upset the balance of a local ecosystem. It's easier for a small system to recover than a large one, so let's hope it's the former!

[AverageJoe90]

12. I don't think it'd be the latter. All of what we know at this point, points right to Fukushima.

And I certainly don't think this is a "new organism", either, or we'd have seen evidence for that already.

[zeemike]

15. Well I know nothing about it.

But I wonder what caused this new organism if it is one...could the radioactivity have caused the mutation of the orginism?...one that was not a big problem before and now is?

And the radiation has had time to spread across the sea...carried by organisms that travel the curents...
Like I said I don't know anting about biology, but I wonder because things are so interrelated where all things are in the food chain.

[NoOneMan]

2. That humpy is spawned out

I see dead ones like that on the river shores often. The hit fresh water, hump, change colors, die, look like crap, and decompose. The yellow one looked about a week dead after being a 2-3 weeks spawned out. The fresh one looks like it was caught in the salt. Just my 2 cents.

[Brother Buzz]

11. That's a kelt

They can live weeks after spawning, and some actually return to the ocean to spawn again (Darwin's theories may be at work here). The live ones are totally safe to eat but they have zero flavor and the texture is mushy. I pass on them; best leave them for the scavengers work over.

[Berlum]

3. Moose populations crashing

Tea Party (R) spew is poisoning all of life.

[uppityperson]

8. From what I read, thinking is sea stars have a disease. Yellow salmon are not new, chums in 1970's

Last edited Fri Oct 18, 2013, 03:28 AM - Edit history (1)

August 2012
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120809/SPORTS/708099937

A couple of weeks ago, I was emailed photos of an unusual chinook salmon, bright yellow on its belly, lower fins, lower jaw, and the inside of the mouth).
The accompanying text mistakenly said the nice-sized and otherwise prime-looking king was from "local waters," but the photos had in fact been published first by the Oregon Coast Daily News, attributing the catch to a commercial fisherman off Newport, Oregon in early July.
Local or not, the photos raised an intriguing issue, and it turns out -- after a little investigation -- that a fair number of anglers in this area either have seen or heard of yellow-hued salmon of all five species, perhaps steelhead, and maybe even trout. More and more salmon with this condition are apparently being seen around the Northwest -- particularly on the British Columbia coast and in the Fraser River. That has attracted the attention of government fisheries management agencies.
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The researcher said little is known about what is called the "jaundice syndrome," but that there have been examples cited in the literature for more than 30 years, starting with chums in the 1970s. (Weitkamp said the most prominent current example in the state is a run containing what locals call yellow chums in Hood Canal)....(more)

Oct 2011
http://grassstruggle.blogspot.com/2011/10/yellow-salmon.html#.UmCk7VCsj0s

Nov 2010
http://www.myfishfinder.com/fishing_forum/index.php?topic=40544.0

However, if a lot of fish are jaundiced, there is concern as to why.

[pa28]

10. Pacific sardines.

I was reading a report just last week explaining how this fishery was plentiful, sustainable and a good seafood choice.

Now they seem to be *gone*. Not just declining but the fish stock seems to have disappeared.

[SunSeeker]

19. That explains all the starving seal pups washing up on beaches this spring. nt

[Sunlei]

13. cartilage problems.? wonder if this is related to all the birds seen with over grown beaks?

same area of the world. several species of birds have been effected by something in air? and water. liver damage. Is there runoff from shale oil extraction? that industry is in that part of the world? and the problem seems to have started about the same time shale oil started?

We humans need the oceans to continue with a robust plankton and algae bloom cycles or we humans & animals will go extinct.

[Egalitarian Thug]

14. Nothing to see here, move along. Wall Street is booming and we just beat those

dirty rotten republicans for the World Wrestling Championship on pay per view. So sit back and relax cause the adults are in charge and they know what they're doing.

[zeemike]

17. Well as long as Wall Street is booming

We have nothing to worry about...thanks for the reasurance...now back to the feel good moment of victory over the Tea Party.

[Miranda4peace]

18. lmao

Hollow victory. Just enough to cover the department store created holiday.

[Rex]

16. Big changes ahead.

nt.

[Duppers]

20. k & r

The seriousness of this problem cannot be overstated.

[postulater]

22. Thanks, read later.

[Bonobo]

23. Why and how did you jump to the conclusion that it is related to Fukushima? nt

[NickB79]

24. Didn't you hear? EVERYTHING is related to Fukushima

I burnt my toast and cut myself while shaving this morning.

Fucking Fukushima.

[DeSwiss]

26. Show me. n/t

[Bonobo]

27. LOL. Show you what? nt

[DeSwiss]

28. You want to know ''why and how.''

I want to know ''where and what.''

So, show me.

[Bonobo]

29. You made the claim that it is Fukushima-related.

You wrote the OP inviting comments.

I don't know what caused the events, but there is no reason to believe it was caused by Fukushima, is there?

So I repeat, why do you think it is related?

If you can't answer that question, if you have no reasons to back up your contention, don't you think its kind of inappropriate to suggest it?

[DeSwiss]

30. I made NO such claim.

It appears that it is you who've ''jumped'' to this conclusion. A careful examination of the OP proves this beyond doubt.

I provided (copy and pasted their words) information from a source that includes a number of different articles, of which includes things that are happening in, and to the sea.

And in answer to the overarching question here: Yes everything is related.

Have a nice day!

[Bonobo]

31. So your links about Fukushima are not intended to make that claim, huh.

Gotcha.

And since EVERYTHING is related, you could post links about the rise in disposable diapers or antibiotics too, right?

The funny thing is that you are comfortable with that level of "intellectual rigor".

YOU have a nice day -in the George Carlin sense.

[NickB79]

25. Most of this thread is unsubstantiated BS

First, the case of the not-unprecedented yellow salmon: http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120809/SPORTS/708099937

The researcher said little is known about what is called the "jaundice syndrome," but that there have been examples cited in the literature for more than 30 years, starting with chums in the 1970s.

Second, the sardine disappearance is also not unprecedented: http://www.vancouversun.com/travel/Sudden+disappearance+sardines+serious+economic+ecological/9034961/story.html

Sardines supported a major fishery on the B.C. coast in the mid-1920s to mid-1940s that averaged 40,000 tonnes a year.

Then the fish mysteriously disappeared — for decades — until the first one was observed again in 1992 during a federal science-based fishery at Barkley Sound on the west coast of Vancouver Island.

Furthermore, the sardines may not have disappeared at all, but rather moved to deeper waters:

While seiners fishing close to the surface got skunked, he noted that commercial hake fishermen with trawl nets at depths of 200 to 350 metres reported catching hake “filled with sardines,” Clayton said.

“I think they didn’t come to the surface this year. Right now, it’s all speculation.”

The starfish, I have no idea if it will turn out to be a big deal or not, as this is the first I've heard of it. The article does say, however, that their numbers in recent years have exploded to the point that there are solid walls of them on some seafloors. And we all know that when a species overpopulates to that degree, an epidemic die-off isn't that unusual.

I'm not saying that we should ignore any of these events, but attempting to tie them to Fukushima, when similar events occurred DECADES ago, is a stretch that defies logic. It wastes valuable time and resources that could be better spent finding the most likely causes and their solutions.