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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGrayson Should Not Apologize. The Real Truth Is Worst Than He Told.
Dems lose because they won't take out the verbal brass knuckles. The GOP as well as the tea baggers are a religious white supremacist party bent on taking over the country for their ends.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Blue Owl
(50,498 posts)The nation has spoken.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)and pointy hats, or the other uniform, the black shirts with swastikas.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)is because the last time they did, the FBI got them. They are being sneaky this time, a true 5th column.
KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)But I truly believe that part of the reason for the intensity of their craziness (like the John Birch Society on steroids), is their panic that they are a shrinking minority. On some level they HAVE to get that- and it terrifies them. President Obama was elected- twice for goodness sake (much to their horror). Marriage equality is a reality. And ultimately, no matter how hard they push, women's rights and their right to choose is never going away.
But Grayson is stating the truth about who these people are and need not apologize. It's time to call them out on who they really are.
Isn't it just great that he's back in Congress again? Go Grayson!
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)Voters do not like cowards and too many Dems are cowards. The Dems have been on the run since Reagan. And Clinton went along enough with the GOP to do a lot of damage to Dems.
enough
(13,262 posts)You are so right. This is why I love Grayson.
BluegrassStateBlues
(881 posts)SamYeager
(309 posts)He said it. He must stand by it now.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)These tea party racists are actually the useful idiots of elements of the ultra rich power structure in our country. I believe that the Frankenstein analogy is quite apt though. The monster is now beyond the control of its masters and creators.
But yeah absolutely - Grayson should not back down. The tea party is the klan in slightly modernized clothing.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)".....slightly modernized clothing." I am stealing it.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Some people like the quote that you shouldn't assign evil motivations when it's likely stupidity. I can't even argue a lack of wisdom. For them, this is a wise strategy.
There is no lack of funding to buy intellectual power by the ultra rich. They own the think tanks, control many university voices, research, media and the MIC. They have no shortage of brains or organization.
Those who might easily pass for stupid, are just doing the coarser jobs for the whole. And every one gets paid, much more than the rest of us doing honest work.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)The mainstream "traditional" republican party is reeling and on their heels because of the tea-party bullshit. I think the masters are very concerned actually.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yet they are still funding the groups that do support it. Their philosophy has not changed.
They are still supporting ending regulation, taxes, voting rights, women's rights, public education, destruction of social security, the ACA, along with no gun or even heavier weaponry control.
They are intefering with the political process directly, and also profiting off the destruction of cities.
So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
Chief D
(55 posts)Why is it not appropriate of Democrats touting their values, even if it has to be calling out the malignancy within our society. We've accepted that part of the republican schema is the ideal they represent certain values, that they claim are missing in society at-large. Most of us can name the "values" that they scream don't exist on the other side of the aisle, low taxes, belief in capitalism, makers vs takers, and taking their country back; and we all know whom they want to "take their country back" from.
From Wikepedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism
United States[edit]
Main article: Republicanism in the United States
Republicanism became the dominant political value of Americans during and after the American Revolution. The "Founding Fathers" were strong advocates of republican values, especially Thomas Jefferson, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton.[14]
Well, it's time for US to start talking about our values, fairness, equality, supporting government programs that work and yes, STANDING AGAINST BIGOTRY, RACISM, SEXISM, HOMOPHOBIA, AND ANY "Ism" THAT EXIST IN OUR COUNTRY. We should be screaming to the hills, it's time that we take or country FORWARD!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)You will find that pretty much anyone here who derides Grayson is just a troll. Best to just laugh at them as they slide by.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)"Republicans want to take the country back. We Democrats want to take it FORWARD."
Pass it on.
dhill926
(16,355 posts)JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)I'm with you.
blue14u
(575 posts)Chief D...
You will like it here ..Great post!!!
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)"Republicanism is the ideology of governing a society or state as a republic, where the head of state is appointed by means other than heredity, often through elections".
Chief D
(55 posts)Still, those who are AWARE get the point of my post.
Initech
(100,102 posts)Oh fuck it who am I kidding? They're racists without robes!
kydo
(2,679 posts)starroute
(12,977 posts)It keeps being pointed out that the Republicans make good use of their crazies to make the rest of the party seem moderate. (Or at least they did until the moderates decided to join them.) At the same time, the Democrats keep disavowing their crazies, or even semi-crazies, or not-really-crazy-but-just-telling-it-like-it-is-ers -- and this means the mainstream Democrats are left without any cover.
So even if you believe that Alan Grayson went too far (and I don't), you should still cherish him for his ability to move the Overton Window.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)Dems got more votes, but the Reps hold the House. It is the same in many state legislatures. There's got to be some solution to end that.
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)Solution: be in control of the legislature at time of next census. I think that is it, would like to hear from someone more acquainted with subject.
blue14u
(575 posts)or Democracy Now, there was a guest on, someone
cited as knowing much on the subject of gerrymandering
and he said that is the key... The next census will be the time
for changing this BS and making it right.. I'm just upset
that we have to wait that long. Imagine the damage to be done
in the meantime..
Missn-Hitch
(1,383 posts)But, there is plenty to be optimistic about.
blue14u
(575 posts)in the best of times and in some cases the worst of times..
I tend to lean toward the glass is half full, not half empty!!
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)brewens
(13,620 posts)buy him a beer! Of course I'd be rubbing his nose in being a racist half-wit while doing so. I'd congratulate him on at least being honest enough to say it out loud.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)yes, we know
blackspade
(10,056 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)Until the Tea Party, the only people marching in public with Confederate flags were a) Civil War re-enactors, and b) racists (including but not limited to the Klan.
And since I saw a suspicious lack of butternut and Pattern 1853 Enfield muzzle-loading rifles on the TV, I'm guessing the ones waving the flags are racists.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)My European immigrant grampappy always said he never saw so many people talk so much about a war they lost.
Efilroft Sul
(3,581 posts)
forget who was waving the Confederate battle flag in front of a black family's residence in DC last week.
It was a not-so-subtle attempt at racial intimidation by Tea Party members. And they deserve to be called on the carpet for it just like the congressman did.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)blow the racists dog whistle! They use the minorities to displace the anger from themselves. "It is the blacks and Hispanics that are making things tough for you!"
ZomBoy
(36 posts)Stand tall and proud!
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)I hate to be the party pooper of the thread, but I'm just not of the "brass knuckles" crowd. And frankly, neither is most of America. Neither are the majority of Democrats.
Alan Grayson can send you this email because you will cheer when you see him not just explain how the Tea Party's actions have been overtly or covertly racist (lots of Democratic politicians have been saying this) but go totally over the top with Klan images and burning crosses. Hey, you might send money.
And that's the problem: these are the kinds of slash and burn, attention-grabbing, broad-brush shock tactics the Tea Partiers use. And if we start using them, we'll be getting 26% favorability ratings, too.
That is my position and I'm sticking to it. It doesn't mean I think the Tea Party is any less guilty of certain types of racism that you do (though I wouldn't equate some yahoos at a rally with every politician or even supporter). I just think we need to be better than them. And I think we have important things to do, more important than whupping up the base with red meat.
Governance is not a game, or a wrestling match, or an occasion for brass knuckles.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)then he should not apologize. I still maintain his email is not helpful to us as a party at all and anyone who wants to call me a troll for saying that can shove it up their ass. Comparing some schmuck waving a confederate flag to a sitting member of congress is ridiculous.
QuestForSense
(653 posts)These Tea Baggers live in a foggy world of wishful thinking. They absolutely cannot handle the Truth, which is their Achilles Heel. I say stomp on it a little. They need to wake up anyway. Reality isn't going away.
JustAnotherGen
(31,889 posts)The First Klan
*The first Klan was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by six veterans of the Confederate Army.
*In 1874 and later, however, newly organized and openly active paramilitary organizations, such as the White League and the Red Shirts, started a fresh round of violence aimed at suppressing blacks' voting and running Republicans out of office. These contributed to segregationist white Democrats regaining political power in all the Southern states by 1877.
Today: Same as it ever was.
Second KKK
In 1915, the second Klan was founded in Atlanta, Georgia. Starting in 1921, it adopted a modern business system of recruiting (which paid most of the initiation fee and costume charges as commissions to the organizers) and grew rapidly nationwide at a time of prosperity. Reflecting the social tensions of urban industrialization and vastly increased immigration, its membership grew most rapidly in cities, and spread out of the South to the Midwest and West. The second KKK preached "One Hundred Percent Americanism" and demanded the purification of politics, calling for strict morality and better enforcement of prohibition. Its official rhetoric focused on the threat of the Catholic Church, using anti-Catholicism and nativism.[4] Its appeal was directed exclusively at white Protestants.[20] Some local groups took part in attacks on private houses and carried out other violent activities. The violent episodes were generally in the South.[21]
Today: Same as it ever was. Replace Catholic with Muslim. It's appeal is with White Protestants. Anti Immigration. Look at the Midwest and West note - same as it ever was.
Third KKK
*The "Ku Klux Klan" name was used by a numerous independent local groups opposing the Civil Rights Movement and desegregation, especially in the 1950s and 1960s.
*During this period, they often forged alliances with Southern police departments, as in Birmingham, Alabama; or with governor's offices, as with George Wallace of Alabama
Today: Scott Walker and Rick Perry play right to these fears. Voting rights, women's rights etc etc - these are things the Republican party hates. And it's not the leadership it's the idiots that vote for them and egg them on.
DLevine
(1,788 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Right?
Thucydides
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