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FLAprogressive

(6,771 posts)
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:45 PM Mar 2012

Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

*snip*

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

http://news.yahoo.com/family-florida-boy-killed-neighborhood-watch-seeks-arrest-044537742.html

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WTF is wrong with people? That guy to be locked up and charged with murder. Obvious racism too.

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Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest (Original Post) FLAprogressive Mar 2012 OP
Neighborhood watch groups can execute people? MrSlayer Mar 2012 #1
I was thinking that, too. Neighborhood watches don't have the right to shoot people. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #17
What a tragedy! tosh Mar 2012 #2
Sick Ziggystrange Mar 2012 #3
That's not really true metalbot Mar 2012 #5
Shooter will be locked up and charged with murder metalbot Mar 2012 #4
Even a pro-RKBA person like myself knows this shooter is a murderer. NutmegYankee Mar 2012 #11
why isn't that fucker in prison ? JI7 Mar 2012 #6
This is a small town with one main street. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #10
Much more detail at Orlando Sentinel: tosh Mar 2012 #7
another article I read makes it clear the chief of police is inclined to call it self defense. Liberal_in_LA Mar 2012 #8
That is awful. So sorry for family. You give some folks a little "authority" and a gun . . . . . . Hoyt Mar 2012 #9
L0oniX Mar 2012 #12
since when is neighborhood watch armed?! frylock Mar 2012 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author chrisa Mar 2012 #14
Basically what happened was, this yahoo tried to detain Trayvon at gun point chrisa Mar 2012 #15
From a comic book nerd's perspective... Zalatix Mar 2012 #19
vigilante freak! flamingdem Mar 2012 #16
How awful and sad. I imagine the captain will be arrested.... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #18
I don't know - if victim had been white, yahoo likely would not have stopped him. Hoyt Mar 2012 #20
You're right about that. It don't look good. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #22
a 17 year old kid is dead because he is black JI7 Mar 2012 #21
Question to you: co-creation Mar 2012 #23
i don't know but i always thought neighborhood watch meant call the fucking cops if you see JI7 Mar 2012 #27
Why wasn't the shooter arrested immediately? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #24
"Report: Crime watch leader who fatally shot teen previously arrested for battery" Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #25
This needs to get back to the top of the page. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #26
If state won't act,, feds need to act. kiranon Mar 2012 #28
 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
1. Neighborhood watch groups can execute people?
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:52 PM
Mar 2012

It Is Florida I know but this seems extreme even for them. I suppose a black kid in the neighborhood is grounds to be "suspicious" in this guy's mind.

If they don't charge this guy with something it is nothing more than legal lynching.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. I was thinking that, too. Neighborhood watches don't have the right to shoot people.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:56 PM
Mar 2012

They have just ordinary rights like the rest of us...the right to defend ourselves and our property. He probably had a license to carry the gun.

We have a neighborhood watch, but I can't imagine anyone shooting anyone, unless they were shooting someone who was actively assaulting someone or something like that.

It may not be a racist thing, though. It might be, but maybe not Not enough information has been released yet.

 

Ziggystrange

(66 posts)
3. Sick
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:55 PM
Mar 2012

This guy will probably get away with it, is it not true in FLA you can use deadly force / kill if you "feel" threatened?

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
5. That's not really true
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:58 PM
Mar 2012

The castle doctrine basically says that you aren't obligated to retreat, but it doesn't give you blanket license to kill for "feeling threatened". I'd put money on the shooter being convicted.

metalbot

(1,058 posts)
4. Shooter will be locked up and charged with murder
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 08:56 PM
Mar 2012

Even on the gun boards that I frequent, there's nobody who is supporting the shooter. The charges may take a few days, but they are almost certainly coming.

NutmegYankee

(16,201 posts)
11. Even a pro-RKBA person like myself knows this shooter is a murderer.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 09:49 PM
Mar 2012

He didn't have to get out of his car and confront this teenager. It's a certainty that this guy provoked the fight that ended with the death of a child bearing nothing more than a can of sweet tea and skittles.

tosh

(4,424 posts)
7. Much more detail at Orlando Sentinel:
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 09:00 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/os-teen-shooting-killed-sanford-police-20120308,0,1380794.story

<snip>

He saw the teen and called police. Two minutes later, 17-year-old Trayvon was on the ground, dying from a single gunshot wound. Police found Zimmerman standing nearby, a gun in his waistband and blood seeping from injuries to his nose and the back of his head.

That was Sunday, Feb. 26. Sanford police cuffed 28-year-old Zimmerman, took him to police headquarters, interrogated him then let him go.

He told them he had acted in self-defense.

<snip>

more at link
 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
8. another article I read makes it clear the chief of police is inclined to call it self defense.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

WTF!

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. That is awful. So sorry for family. You give some folks a little "authority" and a gun . . . . . .
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 09:28 PM
Mar 2012

This is what you get.

I hope they lock the shooter up too. But he'll claim self-defense even though the victim probably just reacted to some yahoo questioning his being in the neighborhood (even though he lived there).

Damn.

Response to FLAprogressive (Original post)

chrisa

(4,524 posts)
15. Basically what happened was, this yahoo tried to detain Trayvon at gun point
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:54 PM
Mar 2012

Totally senseless and stupid. He's the typical Captain America hard ass that runs around getting people killed. He's also a racist bastard if he just called because he saw Trayvon walking. I wonder what he said to start the fight? Probably had the tone of, "We don't like your kind around here."

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
19. From a comic book nerd's perspective...
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:02 PM
Mar 2012

Marvel Comics' Captain America had a rule and it was not to kill. He has rarely (well, never, in my knowledge) killed anyone. He was known for that.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
18. How awful and sad. I imagine the captain will be arrested....
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 10:58 PM
Mar 2012

the police have already gotten a statement from him, I guess?

As for racism, I'd rather not jump the gun. Just because two people are of different races, it doesn't mean that race was a reason. If the young man was belligerant to the captain or something, it wasn't necessarily because the captain was white. And if the captain shot the young man for some reason, it wasn't necessarily because he was black. It might be. But there's not enough info out yet.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
20. I don't know - if victim had been white, yahoo likely would not have stopped him.
Thu Mar 8, 2012, 11:29 PM
Mar 2012

Anyway, the authorities need to sort it out FAIRLY/OBJECTIVELY. Until then, as my deceased retired policeman FIL used to say: "it just don't look good."











JI7

(89,276 posts)
21. a 17 year old kid is dead because he is black
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 12:15 AM
Mar 2012

if he was white and did exactly the same thing he would still be alive. this is just so fucked up. this should be national news.

 

co-creation

(11 posts)
23. Question to you:
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:20 PM
Mar 2012

did the gunman kill him because he hates Black males or because he is paranoid about them? This is a gated community so I would imagine that paranoia is very high in those sorts of places. I really don't understand why they exist, at least for everyday people. Is it a safety thing? If so, don't visitors need permission to come into the community?

JI7

(89,276 posts)
27. i don't know but i always thought neighborhood watch meant call the fucking cops if you see
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 07:38 PM
Mar 2012

something that is suspicious . not go out there yourself and after pepole you think are suspicious.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
24. Why wasn't the shooter arrested immediately?
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:23 PM
Mar 2012

Imagine if a black teen had shot and killed an unarmed white man...

The stench is bad with this one.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
25. "Report: Crime watch leader who fatally shot teen previously arrested for battery"
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 02:29 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/seminole/os-trayvon-martin-zimmerman-arrest-2005-20120310,0,6990127.story

A crime watch volunteer who fatally shot an unarmed teen in his Sanford neighborhood on Feb. 26 and claimed self-defense was arrested in 2005 on charges of battery on a law enforcement officer and resisting arrest with violence, WFTV.com is reporting.

The Sanford Police investigation into the death of Trayvon Martin, 17, a Miami high school junior, is ongoing, and George Zimmerman has been interviewed by investigators several times. Police are trying to determine whether Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, according to department records.

The 2005 case against Zimmerman was dismissed, WFTV.com reports.

Read the full story at WFTV.com.

There is more there.

Oh, and Zimmerman is working on a criminal justice degree. Getting some early practice in?

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
28. If state won't act,, feds need to act.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 07:46 PM
Mar 2012

Sounds more like 1st or 2nd degree murder rather than manslaughter if the teenager was just walking through, unarmed, no threat. The sheriff needs to arrest the shooter and let a jury decide. Makes one wonder who the shooter is related to if more is not done immediately.

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