Conversation With Colorado Gun Nut Recallers. No Need For Background Checks At All. Takes Guns Away

[TheMastersNemesis]

from citizens who have a right to a gun. Besides crooks, psychos, rapists, abusers, et al will get guns any way. So having back ground checks is useless. Besides everyone should be armed to protect themselves from these people just in case. In their view the 2nd Amendment should have NO restrictions of ANY kind. That means any person regardless of their status or condition has this absolute right. Period. And they will recall any politician who even suggests otherwise.

This logic was the gist of what one lady said she experienced when she asked a petitioner why they were recalling a legislator.

The issue in Colorado and the rest of the nation is the NRA's belief that any citizen has the right to carry a loaded fire arm anywhere they want. There should be no restrictions of any kind as to who owns a gun, what kind of weapon they own and their right to carry the same weapon any where they want. That means grocery stores, schools, bars, restaurants, the street etc are all legitimate places where a weapon can be carried openly.

Now you see what we are up against in Colorado right now. And the NRA is paying $5 per signature for the recall. And they are sending out even felons and criminals to collect the signatures. Paid petitioners are NOT being screened.

[freshwest]

1. It's the rights vs. privileges argument. Also well-regulated militia is a nebulous. It's a matter of

more of public opinion at a certain moment at any different time in history.

Unfortunately created now by the Koch brothers who are funding and inciting anarchy so they can swoop in and take over.

[pipoman]

2. Is there a link?

IIRC the NRA Supported the Brady Bill, NICS, and opposes criminal gun ownership. The gun control crowd would do well to stick to the facts and reduce the constant
embellishment... It doesn't help their cause

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. "Is there a link?"

Ewww.

Why would you want a link to his butt?

[surrealAmerican]

3. If they're paying unscreened petitioners by the signature ...

... they're going to end up with a lot of phony signatures. Is there a procedure to challenge the petitions?

[GreenStormCloud]

28. Yes. The state check all signatures to make sure they are valid.

A person has to sign the petition, and then print their name and address, which must match the voter rolls.

[Decaffeinated]

4. Is there a link of some sort?

Or is this something you heard on the corner?

[WinkyDink]

5. I see an opportunity for designers of "fashionable holsters"!

[seveneyes]

6. Where is this coming from?

It would be great to see some details about this documented somewhere.

[TheMastersNemesis]

7. I Was Talking To A Lady Who Was Asking One Of Their Petitioners About The Recall.

I have been on the protest line for the last 3 weeks and have spent literally hours out on the street and at the anti recall office. the recallers are all over the place. They are lying about just about everything the Senator has done. They are claiming she is taking away their guns, she has an anti woman agenda, she is a corrupt politician and lord knows what else. They are even in parking lots telling people to sign without even saying what the voter is signing. The even have paid petitioners out with criminal records.

Based on what we can discern they are misrepresenting just about everything he Senator has done just to get a signature. They are going into gas stations and stopping customers getting signatures.

[seveneyes]

8. Yes, grass roots grows best in manure

Sounds like the age old recipe is being used there. Good luck with getting the truth out among all the BS.

[pintobean]

10. How do you know

if someone has a criminal record?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. "How do you know if someone has a criminal record?"

The bumper sticker told him.

[TheMastersNemesis]

14. That Is Because We Checked Individuals Out.

One recaller assaulted one of our people and it was filmed. We checked his record and he has a long record. And individuals were checked out in the earlier recalls who had records. The company hiring these people are not screening.

[Ranchemp.]

20. A record could include a speeding ticket, a DUI conviction,

numerous things end up on a record.
So far, all you've provided is hearsay evidence with no backing documentation at all.

[pintobean]

34. Is it illegal

for someone with a criminal record to collect signatures?

[pipoman]

13. Unlike the ridiculious claims of your OP? Nope..LOL

"They are lying about just about everything"

[hack89]

9. Except the NRA does support the Brady Bill and background checks

after the Va Tech shooting, they worked with Congress to strengthen the Brady Bill.

[TheMastersNemesis]

15. Bullshit - Bullshit - Bullshit

They certainly are not supporting it in Colorado. We passed background checks. We did not take away any guns except for rapists and abusers by a process. We limited magazines to 15 rounds. They want NO restrictions of any kind. The NRA is pushing this recall.

[hack89]

19. Hard to argue with logic like that

so I won't even try.

[Ranchemp.]

23. You really need to educate yourself,

the NRA does support the brady bill and background checks from FFL dealers.

[Erose999]

30. But not private party sellers. Anyone can walk into a gun show and buy a gun from a private party

no questions asked. Craigslist has forbidden gun ads, but there are other sites like it that facilitate private party sales, as well.

[Ranchemp.]

31. I'm aware of that and I think it's a wrongheaded move by the NRA,

they should get behind universal background checks, that's something that's supported by the vast majority of the country, including most NRA members, I don't understand their opposition to it, except that their board members are bat shit RW nuts.

Also, are you aware that if you buy a gun through an ad and it's in a different state, the firearm has to be shipped to an FFL dealer and a background check has to be done before the firearm can be released?

OP is being dishonest when he states that it's bullshit that the NRA supported the Brady Bill, hell, the NRA and the Brady org. worked together writing the bill.

[Initech]

16. $5 per signature? And they're getting away with this?

[TheMastersNemesis]

18. It Is Legal To Do In Colorado.

There are a lot of people who will do this for $5 a sig. A good petitioner can make a lot of money quickly.

[Initech]

21. Really. I didnt know this.

[TheMastersNemesis]

22. Paid Signatures In Southern Colorado Is What Got The Recalls Certified.

We lost both seats.

[TheMastersNemesis]

24. Additional Reply.

Using recalls where legislation allows it is the new GOP and NRA tactic to nullify elections. Less than 25% of the registered voters overturned the two seats. That meant just over 13% of the electorate changed those seats to GOP. If you can run a recall in a very off time and manipulate the polling places like they did in southern Colorado you are almost guaranteed to win.

The new GOP idea is to run recalls whenever there is a close election they lose. They plan to have continuous recalls now nationally in states where recalls are possible. It is all about keeping control of the state legislatures. It is easy for someone like the Kochs to throw in a million for a series of recalls.

California is facing at least 8 recalls where there were special elections where the recall threshold is low. So any election within 2% can result in a recall. If the present recall succeeds we are facing 2 or 3 more. Plus they are trying to drain funds for 2014.

[GreenStormCloud]

27. Have you forgotten that we tried that in Wisconsin?

Once we tried it, that set the precedent.

[Ranchemp.]

32. Yep, they lost despite outspending the pro recall supporters

by a margin of 6-1 and Democrats not bothering to vote.

[GreenStormCloud]

26. Read the 1st Amendment.

Completely legal.

[Ranchemp.]

17. You have a link that the NRA is paying $5.00 per signature and are using felons and criminals

to collect those signatures?

[GreenStormCloud]

25. What screening is needed to pass around a petition? NONE!

It is anybody's right to help, paid or unpaid, in a petition drive.

First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

[Lizzie Poppet]

29. There's a gun owners group just forming here in Oregon...

...that will end up being called something along the lines of "Gun Owners For Background Checks." It's in a formative stage (although there are already some t-shirts!), but I've been encountering significant support. My particular circle of gun-owning friends all support extending background check requirements (of course, pretty much all of them are politically liberal...mostly goth-industrial music scene folk, actually). Moreover, a lot of the shooters I talk with at the range, while largely conservative, tend to see nothing wrong with universal background checks. They're not inclined to advocate for them, but they have no objection.

That said, there are always extremists on any side of an issue...and they are almost always wrong.

[jmowreader]

33. So why can't I have a mortar?

If I had a mortar and a few thousand rounds of HE my town would be super peaceful and honest because everyone would know if they got swindled, or some guy got caught raping boy scouts or making meth, they could call me and my mortar would solve the problem permanently.

I posed this theory to a teabagger at the fair - that if I could have any weapon I wanted I should be allowed to own field artillery. "No, you can't have a cannon." "Then you do think there should be restrictions on the kinds of weapons people can keep!" Very few people are absolutist: there are weapons restrictions, zoning restrictions etc that even teabaggers will agree to. (My teabagger did admit that artillery, machineguns, AR drum magazines and other such nonsense have no place in civilians' hands. And really, I have no problem with 30 round mags because that's the standard size and they do have a sporting purpose, if your sport is target shooting or sniping rats at the dump - it's good fun and rats are an animal that should be made extinct.)

[Ranchemp.]

35. Actually, you can own an artillery piece,

but you have to jump through all kinds of hoops to get one.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_private_US_citizen_own_a_105_mm_Howitzer_field_gun#slide1