I'm speechless, just saw this on Facebook...

[HarveyDarkey]

Is this a new reich wing meme?

[Delphinus]

1. That is disgusting.

So much to say, but guess I'd better investigate what that group is before speaking.

[Scuba]

18. +1

[lumpy]

20. Can't imagine very many women thinking in those terms. What?

[get the red out]

55. Hideous

As if there is any kind of relationship between rape and just wishing you hadn't slept with some guy. This seems to be intended to shame women into not reporting rape. It is evil.

[Bigmack]

2. Consider the source...

"A Voice for Men is essentially a mouthpiece for its editor, Paul Elam, who proposes to “expose misandry [hatred of men] on all levels in our culture.” Elam tosses down the gauntlet in his mission statement: “AVfM regards feminists, manginas [a derisive term for weak men], white knights [a similar derisive term, for males who identify as feminists] and other agents of misandry as a social malignancy. We do not consider them well intentioned or honest agents for their purported goals and extend to them no more courtesy or consideration than we would clansmen [sic], skinheads, neo Nazis or other purveyors of hate.” Register-Her.com, an affiliated website that vilifies women by name who have made supposedly false rape allegations (among other crimes against masculinity), is one of Elam’s signature “anti-hate” efforts. “Why are these women not in prison?” the site asks." http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

[BlancheSplanchnik]

26. woa.

Twisted.

May he and his group be shunned.

[Ken Burch]

27. It speaks volumes that the guy spells "Klansmen" wrong...

And, if you follow the logic of that quote, he's essentially equating rapists with victims of the Holocaust.

[tammywammy]

37. What's a mangina? n/t

[Bigmack]

47. From the website...

A male feminist.

[tammywammy]

49. I didn't want to give them hits.

What a disgusting sentiment.

[get the red out]

56. A real woman hating organization

They would probably approve of stoning rape victims.

[L0oniX]

97. I blame these people for this...

[Lobo27]

3. Yeah, I had sex before and regretted it...

And I'm a fucking guy... These RW lunatics are insane... If they get there way that Sharia Law they fear so much will become a law and it wont even be the muslims they fear that made it so.

[BlueJazz]

4. What a condescending fucking, fucking idiotic, idiotic facebook post.

avoicefrommen my ass

Fuck you assholes...I'd like to come out swinging on your asses.

[uppityperson]

5. Looking at their website, Anders Brevik killed all those people because his mother alientated him

from his father.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/hangouts/what-made-anders-behring-breivik-a-mass-killer-in-norway/
"Or, to be more accurate and less feministy in our approach, one common thread that seems to tie together the profile of some of these mass murderers is abusive single mothers who have alienated male children from their fathers."

ick

[cyberswede]

19. FFS

[nomorenomore08]

36. And what of abusive fathers? Seems mothers are assumed to be the bad guys no matter what...

[Gothmog]

6. That is disgusting

That is a very sick meme

[CorrectOfCenter]

7. "Woe is me,"

said the rapist.

Troubling.

[Warpy]

8. It is a shitty answer to the "Don't be that Guy" ad campaign

Nerdy Feminist has about the best breakdown of why it's so insulting, point by point, http://www.nerdyfeminist.com/2013/04/dont-be-that-girl-is-utter-bs.html

Men's rights groups jumped the shark on this one.

[kelliekat44]

9. Just because you regret it doesn't mean it wasn't rape!

Don't be that victim. REPORT IT!!!

[Iggo]

10. Rape apologists.

[hopemountain]

11. gaaaaaaaaaaaaag nt

[Curmudgeoness]

12. I am speechless as well. nt

[City Lights]

13. avoiceformen.com can go fuck itself.

[Ken Burch]

28. it's damn sure NOT a voice for THIS man!

I hope every man here will say the same thing.

[Sheldon Cooper]

57. Good luck with that.

We have a hard-core cadre of men here who would totally support the sentiment expressed in those sad pathetic ads.

ETA - we have someone in this very thread who supports this.

[ismnotwasm]

94. +1

[RiffRandell]

115. What's sad and pathetic is that you really believe that.

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Links? I have NEVER seen a post by a man here that has ever supported such sentiment. All I see is you using a stupid, offensive picture to further criticize men (and women) who disagree with you on various issues on this board.

If you really care about women, why not do something constructive and contact the group behind the photo to express your sentiment?

Perhaps that's not as satisfying?

[gollygee]

118. Two things.

1) See post #31
2) See the OP to see who posted the photo.

[RiffRandell]

121. Doesn't change my opinion one bit.

I'm going to be really nice and let you know you're wasting your time, so like I stated above, why not do something else more constructive like going to the original source and give him your opinion?

[Sheldon Cooper]

119. lol

[RiffRandell]

122. I know, right!

Your screen name is so nerdy and cute, it's funny! Props to The Big Bang Theory....and originality!

[Warren DeMontague]

123. There are also people who get banned from DU, complain about it on their blogs, then come back to do

it all over again.

It's really weird behavior, I don't get it.

[RiffRandell]

125. I hate to channel Judd Nelson, but this sums it up perfectly.

[opiate69]

127. IKR?

[opiate69]

131. Wait...

Is there a new duck blind?

[nomorenomore08]

136. Of course no one's going to agree outright (because it would get them banned).

But even in this thread we see hemming and hawing, expressions of doubt, etc. Do I think many men here are outright MRA misogynists? Most likely not. But just as we see arguments that verge on right-wing talking points, with other issues, the same applies here. Not everyone on DU is a nice person, or even particularly liberal.

[RiffRandell]

144. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you agree with the poster I responded to that

there are men "here who would totally support the sentiment expressed in those sad pathetic ads" but most likely not.

I agree with you about the right-wing talking points as there have been threads lately that have linked to RW, bigoted sources.

Oh, and the nice person part...completely agree. I'm no saint, but I was called a dog by another woman today for laughing at masturbation jokes made by men that I found funny.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4120434

[nomorenomore08]

145. At the least, the way they frame things is a bit too MRA-ish for a progressive site.

I'm not saying they're necessarily terrible people - just that they maybe should think about, or question, certain things.

And yes, I have seen extreme or unreasonable statements on both "sides" here. Which is why I refuse to throw my lot in entirely with either one.

[tclambert]

14. The avoiceformen website has been called a hate site many times.

[Iggo]

60. I can see why.

[Burf-_-]

15. American Taliban

....Much ?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. sick

[Cooley Hurd]

17. HORRIBLY disgusting!

Such utter horseshit makes me want to yank my computer monitor from its stand and chuck it out the window.

[WillyT]

21. Grrr...

Paul Elam has his head so far up his ass, he can see his molars.





& Rec !!!

[mountain grammy]

22. That's a kick in the gut disgusting! Who ARE these men?

[Initech]

83. I don't know them, or want to be associated with them.

Whoever came up with this needs a good ass kicking.

[iandhr]

23. Totally agree it is disgusting but...

...sadly it's not surprising

[YarnAddict]

24. Repulsive

[kag]

25. Because, you know...

Deep down, we all really want it. We all really mean "yes" when we say "no". And, you know, we get drunk and stuff so we don't have to take responsibility. And, you know, guys can't help it..., you know, and evolution...

[renie408]

29. They should not be THAT person.

This is just gross.

[Ken Burch]

30. "Don't be THAT Girl"....?

What, the guy has issues with Marlo Thomas?

[yurbud]

33. who didn't love THAT GIRL and Marlo Thomas?

[dlwickham]

31. yes they're probably a horrible organization

but there have been cases out there where someone was falsely accused so yes, that "meme" is correct; just because someone regrets having sex does not make it rape

[Raine1967]

34. Your post sucks.

Your apologia is the problem.

[Enthusiast]

88. I agree. Sucky post.

Right wing talking points right here on DU.

[nomorenomore08]

38. "Just because someone regrets having sex does not make it rape." I think most everyone knows that.

But to say so is to miss the point. The point here, really, is to discredit rape accusations in general, without regard for their actual validity.

[dlwickham]

42. most everyone SHOULD know that

but there are some out there that don't unfortunately

[LanternWaste]

108. Who? Specifically and precisely who?

Who? Specifically and precisely who?

And is your list of names indicative of a culture (meme), or simply cases that are far and few between (aberration)?

[dlwickham]

112. you don't think there have false rape reports

because the woman felt regret afterwards or was ashamed for sleeping with a guy

it's a very small number but it still happens

[nomorenomore08]

132. And yet false accusations, based on every halfway reliable stat I've ever seen, are still no higher

than for other categories of crime - somewhere in the neighborhood of 3%. So while the scenario you describe isn't impossible, I see no real reason to focus on it as a specific problem.

[Decaffeinated]

68. Most everyone knows that they shouldn't rape...

... and most know that day after regret does not equal rape. The reality is that some percentage of the population ignores it.

The statement of one fact doesn't detract from the other.

[nomorenomore08]

70. What really pisses me off is the assumption that anyone would go around making willy-nilly

frivolous accusations, when, as we see in the media, accusers in sexual assault cases are very often raked over the coals. And that sort of treatment, most often, doesn't seem to apply to any other category of crime victim.

[CrispyQ]

99. This. ^^^

And knowing that many will accuse them of lying about it & even more will think it.

But the response from the defenders? Crickets.

[seabeyond]

74. well decaff, go figure, and once again you way in on the side of anti woman.

kinda like some black girl using her "privilege". wasnt that it? isnt that what i read on the hair thread?

[Decaffeinated]

91. If i remember correctly, your underwear was in a twist...

... because I dared to disagree with the actions of a black woman and double dog dared to use the word entitled.

I may faint.....

[opiate69]

120. "way in"....

[Raine1967]

43. Please, think about deleting your post.

There are women here on this board that deserve more respect than this.

Most people here deserve more respect than this. The "meme" is NOT correct.

[dlwickham]

44. if you don't like my post

alert on it

[Raine1967]

51. I don't like your post.

I'm not alerting on it because of a few reasons:

You seem to believe women should be responsible for their rape, and think that maybe it really isn't rape.

In turn -- you should be responsible for your own posts, the same way the meme posted is saying about women.

You are an apologist for this group that HarveyDarkey posted about. I asked for you to take the same responsibility that you think this meme is saying.

I think it will be alerted on by people who are far less upset than I. You sir caused something called a trigger. Look it up.

You are making DU suck.

Apologia indeed -- you are an enabler.

[DefenseLawyer]

58. His post isn't disrestectful

There are false accusations of rape. It doesn't disrespect women to acknowledge what is just a fact. It is disrespectful to women to make an assumption that an accusation of rape is false, but it's just stupid to hold the position that no one can ever question the validity of a rape accusation unless they are "pro-rape" or "anti-women".

[seabeyond]

61. 2-3% both in u.s. and u.k. 2-3%. unlike what this mans org and other promote 45-75% rape cases false

anyone can go on the net and get plenty of links googling false rape claims and come up with 45-75% with men orgs putting that number out. rape victims already have a tough enough time. one police force recently were exposed for calling it something like bitches lie claim or something. too often the victim faces exactly this mentality from all levels when reporting a crime.

2-3% false claims.

and you think there needs to be an ad campaign telling women they do not get to yell rape with regret?

2-3% false claims.

[DefenseLawyer]

89. He wasn't defending the dumb website

or the ad campaign from what I could tell. Just acknowledging that there are false claims of rape doesn't make you a rape apologist. As far as percentages go, I'll take your word for it. Maybe it's 3% maybe it's 1%, maybe it's 1 in a million. I would submit that if you are the one in a million that is falsely accused and you are faced with conviction, not based upon the facts, but upon some righteous notion that all rape allegations are true and that anyone that dare question any accusation is pro-rape and anti-women, you are not going to be treated fairly. Maybe you don't care. But I care. And the fact is your strident position is utterly unnecessary. Just deal with every case on its merits.

[nomorenomore08]

134. If people actually *did* deal with every case on its merits, there wouldn't be a problem.

But as I said, many people are far too quick to assume that a rape victim is lying. And yes, a wrongful conviction is always an injustice - no halfway sensible person would argue otherwise - but if the rate of false accusations is 3% or less, then I see no reason to conflate accused rapists in general, with the tiny percentage who are innocent. The vast majority are guilty. Not that anyone should ever be wrongly convicted of any crime - I just said as much - but considering how many victims either never report the crime, or never receive any justice if they do, your particular focus here seems more than a bit out of balance.

[seabeyond]

62. British Home Office study (2005)

British Home Office study (2005)
A 2005 study, "A gap or a chasm? Attrition in reported rape cases" was the largest and most rigorous study to date commissioned by the British Home Office on UK rape crime, from the initial reporting of a rape through to legal prosecutions. The study was based on 2,643 sexual assault cases (Kelly, Lovett, and Regan, 2005). Of these, police departments classified 8% as false reports.[11]
The researchers noted that some of these classifications were based simply on the personal judgments of the police investigators and were made in violation of official criteria for establishing a false allegation. Closer analysis of this category applying the Home Office counting rules for establishing a false allegation and excluding cases where the application of the cases where confirmation of the designation was uncertain reduced the percentage of false reports to 3%. The researchers concluded that "one cannot take all police designations at face value" and that "[t]here is an over-estimation of the scale of false allegations by both police officers and prosecutors." Moreover, they added:

The interviews with police officers and complainants’ responses show that despite the focus on victim care, a culture of suspicion remains within the police, even amongst some of those who are specialists in rape investigations. There is also a tendency to conflate false allegations with retractions and withdrawals, as if in all such cases no sexual assault occurred. This reproduces an investigative culture in which elements that might permit a designation of a false complaint are emphasised (later sections reveal how this also feeds into withdrawals and designation of ‘insufficient evidence’), at the expense of a careful investigation, in which the evidence collected is evaluated.[11][12][13]

FBI statistics
FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[14]
However, "unfounded" is not synonymous with false allegation. Bruce Gross of the Forensic Examiner says that:

This statistic is almost meaningless, as many of the jurisdictions from which the FBI collects data on crime use different definitions of, or criteria for, "unfounded." That is, a report of rape might be classified as unfounded (rather than as forcible rape) if the alleged victim did not try to fight off the suspect, if the alleged perpetrator did not use physical force or a weapon of some sort, if the alleged victim did not sustain any physical injuries, or if the alleged victim and the accused had a prior sexual relationship. Similarly, a report might be deemed unfounded if there is no physical evidence or too many inconsistencies between the accuser's statement and what evidence does exist. As such, although some unfounded cases of rape may be false or fabricated, not all unfounded cases are false.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape

[Sheldon Cooper]

64. Context is your friend.

As a 'Defense Lawyer', it would pay for you to learn that.

[treestar]

71. There may be false accusations

And they have all sorts of motivations. But not just regretting it. Not nowadays. Just regretting it would in no way make it worth fighting the legal system over it.

[DefenseLawyer]

93. Not "may be"; there are. Period.

Don't be afraid to acknowledge that. It doesn't diminish your support for rape victims to accept that some accusations are false. As for motivations, I would submit that you are foolish to presume that you know the motivations of every other person on earth. That's not a very realistic possibility. To the degree that this website or organization serves to cast doubt upon accusations of rape it is certainly doing a disservice and should be rightfully condemned. I'm in no way suggesting that this ad campaign has any merit or value. I only suggest that none of us should have preconceived notions about anything and we simply deal with each case on merits of that particular case.

[treestar]

95. But nowadays, premarital sex is accepted

Making a rape accusation over that would be extreme - why bother? Why put oneself through that? Are there women crazy enough to do that? Rarely. Unless you think women are inherently crazy, of course.

[DefenseLawyer]

101. You exemplify the problem

Why make any assumptions at all about what could motivate anyone to do anything? Why assume that the motivations of an individual would be a reflection on "women" as a group? To suggest that anyone who questions the validity of a claim in an individual case must think that "women are inherently crazy" is exactly the kind of "all or nothing" thinking that I am against. Questioning an individual claim isn't a reflection upon "women" at all. It isn't all or nothing. To accept that not every claim is true does not require one to take a position that "everyone is lying" and certainly not that "women are crazy". We need not make any assumptions at all. Deal in facts.

[treestar]

105. Why assume there are women who would

make a rape accusation, today, knowing what it's going to be like, over mere regret? I'm only pointing out that is not all that likely today. In the Victorian era, maybe, or in the 50s, when "caught" pregnant. But today no women sustains quite the same societal, reputation damage over premarital sex.

The accusation would make it all far more painful than just the regrets.

[DefenseLawyer]

111. Why assume anything at all?

It's a worthless excercise. You do so because you perceive that should you fail to do so you would be making some negative comment about "women". It's just not necessary to assume anything either way. "It must be this" and "it can't be that" are notions that serve no purpose. Just deal with every set of circumstances as they present themselves.

[treestar]

113. It's just not likely nowadays and that's why the FB post

is ridiculous. It's talking to almost nobody.

[DefenseLawyer]

116. The Facebook post is ridiculous

On that we can agree.

[cali]

87. Oh yes it sure as shit is. It's called context. the OP demonstrates just how vile this

organization is; just how vile this guy is and what does that poster say? that the organization is "probably" horrible.

[nomorenomore08]

135. "Probably"? Just gotta plant that little seed of doubt, doesn't he?

[cali]

86. "probably"? No. There is fucking more than enough evidence to state that he's a vile piece of shit

and so is his asswipe organization.

Your post is very, very revealing. About you.

It's like someone saying the KKK is "probably" a horrible organization.

I'm fucking disgusted.

[awoke_in_2003]

103. As I read your post

I subconsciously took the letters "w" "i" and "ham" out of your name.

[noiretextatique]

109. sure...false accusation is as big of a problem as rape

sure it is

[nomorenomore08]

137. Exactly - false equivalency is just it.

Look, as a guy I "get" (to some extent anyway) the fear of false accusations. But when I consider that less than 5% of sexual assault claims are actually false - according to every remotely believable stat I've seen - while on the other hand, a majority of even convicted rapists never see prison time, I think it's important to have some perspective, and sense of proportion, here.

[noiretextatique]

146. perspective and proportion: what concepts!!!

I agree.

[nomorenomore08]

147. Two things your average right-wing MRA/"libertarian" type certainly lacks.

You just know that a person has never experienced genuine discrimination, when they whine and blubber over the smallest slights while hypocritically accusing others of doing the same.

[geek tragedy]

124. "That meme is correct"

Rape apologists agree with you. No one else does.

[Ken Burch]

129. No woman would be ALLOWED to carry a rape accusation based solely on "regret" very far.

As soon as the rape exam showed that the woman hadn't suffered any injuries consistent with rape, the police would tell her to leave. The guy wouldn't even know it had happened.

And the real problem with your argument is that women with VALID claims of having been raped are still turned away by the cops on many, many occasions. The actual victims have it much harder than the tiny number of "falsely accused" men ever would.

Please delete your post.

[Raine1967]

32. This makes me sick. n/t

[TNNurse]

35. Hell is not good enough

For whomever thought of this.

[lunasun]

39. Hey it is your decision to get raped now!

or is it rape is most likely a whim accusation from a disappointed evening.???
2 sick messages

[sakabatou]

40. Whoever came up with that is a sick, sick bastard

[nomorenomore08]

41. As usual with these guys, they take a tiny sliver of truth and blow it up into a delusional

conspiracy theory. "Just because you regret it..." Yeah, no shit. Any woman on Earth could probably tell you the same. But the whole point is to misdirect people by saying that, while at the same time working to blanketly discredit any and all accusers/victims.

[Raine1967]

45. Most men on this earth would say the same thing. Thank you for saying this.

[Bonobo]

67. That's how I see it.

There IS a tiny sliver of truth to it. Of course a false accusation of rape is wrong, but the fact that a small percentage of women may do so does not justify a man's group starting an add campaign that can only be intended to smear all rape accusations with the veneer of "reasonable doubt". Naturally most rapes will come down to a "he said, she said" situation and claiming that the woman just "felt regret" is a sleazy, transparent strategy to create reasonable doubt.

[nomorenomore08]

69. Precisely. And I could also say that, if you don't want to be accused (falsely or otherwise)

of a criminal act, then don't engage in borderline-rapey, stereotypical-frat-boy type behavior.

[Bonobo]

73. That's true too.

There is ALWAYS the danger that you may be accused in any case though.
I had a personal incident where, in college, the girl wanted to mess around (as did I). She was a virgin and we went to "3rd base" but when it came time to go the "whole way", she said no and I respected that. It ended there.

However, afterwards, she WAS still filled with regret (coming from a Catholic background) and apparently felt bad that she even went as far as we did. I heard she got quite emotional about it and though nothing happened afterwards, I DO have to wonder what would have happened if she had made allegations.

Like I said, nothing happened. But as a man, you DO still face that potentiality and it cannot always be avoided.

(Just wanted to add a small bit of the other side of the reality. I hope you understand. In all sexual matters, it is not precisely black and white.)

[nomorenomore08]

79. Definitely not black and white by any means. Though in your particular case it seems highly unlikely

that allegations would have been made, let alone gotten anywhere. If anything, the higher-than-average burden of proof often required (at least implicitly) in sexual assault cases probably serves to protect one from false accusations.

[westerebus]

107. This is anti-woman propaganda to put it mildly.

They are a bunch of dim witted insipid antagonistic sexist misogynistic pandering jerks.

[weissmam]

46. Well

There are ass-wholes everywhere

[DonCoquixote]

48. If I was not a human being

I would wish that the sisters, friends, mothers and duaghters of the (censored) who wrote this would get raped, and then have this asshole explain it, but no...I am not that evil, I would however force this creep to attened several hours of hearing women talk about how they were raped, and not stop until their eardrums bled and the tears flowed.

Dont be that girl, indeed, don;t be that douche. That idiot give all men a bad name, and all decent males should NEVER let the little punk forget that he does NOT speak for us.

[Bonobo]

50. The implication that women cry rape simply because they regret it

is disgusting.

[nomorenomore08]

52. +1

This is one post of yours I can wholeheartedly get behind.

[DefenseLawyer]

59. You shouldn't make broad statements about what "women" do.

"Women", as I'm sure you understand, encompasses a heck of a lot of individuals. If the implication is that ALL women or MOST women make false accusations of rape, that's delusional. If your position is that no one has ever been falsely accused of rape, you are just as delusional. It really doesn't serve any purpose to have any preconceived belief about the credibility or lack of credibility of any individual accusation of anything. Let facts speak for themselves in every case.

[seabeyond]

63. defense? attorney? nt

[awoke_in_2003]

104. Probably defends...

asshole rapists.

[nomorenomore08]

65. "Let facts speak for themselves in every case." Of course. But that, quite often, is not

what happens in a sexual assault case. And yes, our legal system is supposed to be based on "innocent until proven guilty," but that only applies to the judge and jury. Generally speaking, alleged victims of sexual assault do not receive the same public support that alleged victims of other crimes do, and that, obviously, is a problem.

And if you disagree, then tell me why you think false rape accusations should be dramatically higher than for any other crime...

[DefenseLawyer]

90. I am all for public support of victims.

However, if that support is required to be "blind support" then that's where it gets off track. Those that think it's necessary to believe every accusation in order to support victims are not doing a service to actual victims. In no way am I suggesting that anyone should assume that a rape accusation is false, I am merely suggesting that one need not assume that every accusation is true. It's perfectly reasonable to deal with every case individually with no preconceived notions at all.

[nomorenomore08]

133. Just saying that, just as the accused is innocent until proven guilty, the accuser is telling the

truth until proven a liar. I figure it's only fair, to think of it that way.

And yeah, it would be great if we could avoid preconceived notions in these cases. Like for instance, if people wouldn't assume (as they too frequently do) that a victim is lying or, more absurdly, somehow "asked for it." A person, by definition, cannot ask to be raped. That's what makes it rape.

*Edit: corrected spelling error.

[noiretextatique]

110. Yet...that is not what this "ad"is saying

This ad implies that "regret" motivates women to say they were raped. There is no nuance or "case by case" consideration in that message. And it is an idiotic assertion, for the most. That does not mean false accusation does not happen, but as others have mentioned, it is not as big of a problem as actual rape. A better meesage would be: just because you want sex does not mean you are entitled to rape. Don't be THAT guy.

[treestar]

72. agreed, if that had any validity

it would have been during the Victorian era.

[ReRe]

53. Disgusting to the nth degree....

What the hell is "avoiceformen"?????? Please don't answer... I really don't want to know.

[bvar22]

54. It is reasonable to assume that every woman who ever had sex of any kind with this asshole...

...."Regretted It" afterward.

He and his pathetic followers need to seek some help.

[Ken Burch]

128. The only women who WOULDN'T regret sex with that asshole...

...are the inflatable kind...

[Jamaal510]

66. So this site calls itself "A voice for men", huh?

For some strange reason, this reminds me of those supremacist groups that claim that they aren't bigots, but do and say messed up stuff in the name of racial "pride".

[Dash87]

78. White supremacists also claim to represent "the entire white race."

It seems common for wackos - pretend that everybody is on your side when nobody is.

[Liberal_in_LA]

75. disgusting, i am speechless

[Dash87]

76. The owner of AVoiceForMen.com is a massive idiot.

He also has word-salad videos on YouTube whining about how tough men have it and how oppressed they are because of the evil feminists. They truly hate women and most of them are nut jobs. They don't even talk about men's rights - they all just whine about how evil women are.

I pointed out how silly their arguments are in one of Elam's videos, only to be called a "stupid wh***," etc. by AVoiceForMen's nice guys. They sure are a friendly bunch open to debate.

[HarveyDarkey]

77. I wasn't aware of this site before I saw this

Truly disgusting place.

[nomorenomore08]

140. And it shows how the "Men's Rights" meme - while generally sad and laughable - is also

a genuine threat to equality and justice.

[xulamaude]

80. All I have to say about AVfM

is that they make more 'reasonable' men seem legit.

[moxybug]

81. Real bottom feeders these ones.

Sick soulless women hating piles of steaming shit. Useless eaters. Wastes of good air. Better off dead........

[Hekate]

82. Good old fashioned slut shaming. How dast she leave the house w/o a duenna?

Why did she get in that man's car alone? Did he drag her into hi s apartment by the hair? No? She chose to go there alone. Did he force that beverage down her throat? Little lady, you made your bed, and now you must suffer the consequences.

Hey, I was raised female in the '50's and '60s -- I can recite this nauseating shit in my sleep.

Whoever this group is can go screw themselves with something sharp, pointy, and rusty.

[cui bono]

84. The assholes doth protest too much.

Why are so many men so afraid of calling rape rape???

I think too many of them know they themselves are guilty.

[Shrike47]

85. Disgusting and misogynistic. Poor victim guy.

He knew she wanted it, no matter what she said and did. Barfo.

[ismnotwasm]

92. It's a MRA "public relations" ad

Been around for a while. " avoiceformen" is one of the more egregious MRA groups.

Disgusting, yes?

[elehhhhna]

96. I always file a rape charge when a sportfuck goes badly

dont' y'all?

[awoke_in_2003]

98. My fucking god...

who the hell came up with that piece of shit?

On edit- I see who created it now. I missed it before because of the shock.

[mzteris]

100. How about don't be THAT guy

who takes advantage of someone?

Statistically speaking, very very very few women cry "rape" because they "regretted it". Do these neanderthals not comprehend what a woman has to GO THROUGH when she accuses someone of rape? It's not like it's a gd picnic or lala stroll through the park. The examination. The questions. The humiliation. The baring or every your soul - and body - to nurses, doctors, policemen, lawyers, Social services.

What an absolutely egregious and stupid ad. That microscopic less than 1% that MIGHT initially say that, recant. The biggest problems are the much larger numbers that "recant" even though it's true because of the aforementioned additional trauma.

[treestar]

117. This ^^^^^

And it is also possible the rapist lies about thinking it was consensual. Someone could be THAT guy.

[gtar100]

106. What utter bullshit. avoiceformen? Not for me! n/t

[maddezmom]

114. That is vile

[The Wielding Truth]

126. Barf! Are they telling women they don't know what rape is? This is so demeaning to women.

[Niceguy1]

130. stupid obsession

With a small perctentage of reported rapes. Waste of money.

[nomorenomore08]

138. While ignoring that the vast majority of victims never see any real justice.

But since they figure that women in general are crazy and/or liars anyway - and certainly don't deserve the same consideration as a man - I'm sure that doesn't trouble them one bit.

[Niceguy1]

139. the false accuations don't help any

Like this one:

http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1499571

[nomorenomore08]

141. Sure. But they're generally no more frequent than for any other crime - say less than 5% -

so there's no reason to focus inordinately on the small minority of false claims. In fact, the higher burden of proof often implicitly demanded in sexual assault cases, would seem to protect one from false accusations if anything.

[Niceguy1]

142. I agree..

The buyers of this ad are just going after low hanging fruit..

[nomorenomore08]

143. These guys seem to think that women as a whole are somehow in conspiracy against them.

Strikes me, really, as pure paranoia. Like any given woman is apt to assault them, ruin their reputation, try to get them thrown in jail. Reflection of a guilty conscience, perhaps?