Bernie Sanders "NSA Is Keeping Phone Records On EVERY Call Made In America."

[damnedifIknow]

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[neverforget]

1. But this is all irrelevant because the messenger (Snowden) is flawed.

Therefore this needs to be ignored.

[DeSwiss]

12. I'm ignoring it as we speak.

/ig

[BelgianMadCow]

13. I hear minitrue recdep is hiring

maybe a chance for redemption for you, cause everything else you post looks room 101 in a hurry.?

Ministry of Truth - where forgetting the thoughtcrime you just committed is at the heart of the job.

[Arugula Latte]

2. How do they find any information in that mass of billions of phone calls?

Doesn't seem effective at all. It seems pointless and talk about overkill.

[Ed Suspicious]

3. I think you don't give enough credit to the efficiency of relational databases. It's a trivial task

to refine and report a result set of an incredibly manageable number of calls and to sift through the connections made to and from that phone number. Simple analysis can reveal all sorts of useful information about the connections and habits of any given caller of group of callers.

[woo me with science]

5. How can I possibly find an answer to my question on the internet?

It's so big, millions of pages! It really seems like overkill, and not effective at all...

[jsr]

8. And the world's fastest computer always belongs to the NSA.

[JBoy]

7. The power of meta information.

Information about information.

It's not what you're saying, it's about who you're talking to.

It's patterns of communication.

Then, once they've figured out you fit the profile of a potential target, they have the information to drill down.

[sabrina 1]

9. What they find is valuable to Big Corporations. They find buying patterns, eg, what you are

interested in product wise, who is having a baby shower, what products you might be interested. Ever wonder why you are seeing ads for something you just did a search on Google for?

I think what they are trying so desperately to hide is that they are NOT looking for terrorists at all, but they are being FUNDED WITH TAX DOLLARS for these spying programs on the PRETEXT that they 'fighting terror' when in fact they are conducting, free of charge to Major Corps, consumer info that is so valuable, they usually have to PAY FOR IT.

Iow, they are deceiving the public to get funding to conduct consumer research for Major Corporations. Billions of tax dollars.

What a scandal that would be if it is revealed that this was never about terror, but a very clever deception, massively funded with money that COULD be used to benefit the American people, only to benefit Corporate Crooks.

That's my opinion. There is no way they are looking for 'terrorists'. But what a scam, a multi billion dollar scam using fear to profit from.

[SpcMnky]

11. It's a boondoggle

and they are just being lazy, it's easier to just harvest up everything, vs real, targeted surveillance, not to mention all the other uses they can extract when not limited to looking for terrorist.

:shakes-head:

[Vashta Nerada]

4. Snowden is a traitor, therefore the NSA "scandal" is irrelevant.

[SheilaT]

6. Oh, my.

Many years ago, in the late 1960's, I became convinced that my phone was being tapped. Not that there should have been any reason to tap MY phone. I was (still am) a very boring person with nothing at all to interest security agencies. Friends of mine who spoke to me on the phone agreed. There were simply too many strange noises to discount. This was when the tapping would have been far less seamless that it should be now.

In any case, I can't begin to imagine, even with digital scanning of some kind, that all calls can really be assessed.

[4lbs]

10. Hmmm... Anyone know the number for the NSA? I've been wanting to retrieve a voicemail I lost

3 years ago, and my phone carrier couldn't get it. Maybe the NSA can.

[Wilms]

14. ^

[Douglas Carpenter]

15. HE'S BLACK HE WON. TWICE. GET THE F*CK OVER IT ALREADY

I'm serious - that is exactly what someone said to me and a jury voted 0-6 to let it stand.

StarrGazerr (57 posts)

101. GET OVER IT

LOL you aren't standing up for "western democracy". You're standing up for the idea that even if a black man achieves more in the office of the President of the United States than any of his predecessors, he must be opposed and demonized no matter what for the simple reason that if we actually acknowledge that a person with black skin is capable of being the transcendant figure of his generation we must reject any actual progress that he accomplishes lest black Americans get the idea that "all men are created equal", as a famous damned commie liberal said about 237 and a half years ago.

Get a f*cking clue if it's possible. The NSA is no more "threatening our democracy" than is EZ Pass. What IS threatening our democracy are people who are willing to oppose and obstruct ANY progress, no matter how many people who aren't members of the 1% it might actually HELP, just because they don't want someone who they still, 150 years after the lost a war on the subject, consider to be a piece of property rather than a human being to put them to shame with his wisdom, his intelligence, his compassion, and his expertise in dealing with the problems that are generally caused by people like you in the first place.

HE'S BLACK. HE WON. TWICE. GET THE F*CK OVER IT ALREADY.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014669490#post101

[hootinholler]

16. There's a lot of irony in that post. n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

17. and by a 0-6 vote a jury didn't seem to think there was anything particularly wrong with that post