Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

hunter

(38,317 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:14 PM Dec 2013

Libertarianism is a cult of money and property.

I don't "believe" in either.

Money and property rights are not my god.

A safe secure place to live, a place to keep one's "stuff" protected from unreasonable search and seizure, free from the threat of forced relocation except in the most dire natural situations (volcanos, rising oceans, etc...), that's a human right, not a property right.

Good food to eat, appropriate medical care, the education to make oneself a literate and informed person... those are human rights too.

Beyond that the means of accomplishing these goals are many.

Looking around the modern world it's the mixed economies that seem to work best, places where about half the economic activity is socialist and the rest of the economy is a well-regulated free markets.

The economy we have now in the U.S.A. is pretty damned ugly. Large corporations have too much power within our government.

I think reason.com type libertarians recognize the fascist nature of the present U.S. economy (especially when it interferes with their sex lives, pot smoking habits, automobile fetishes, etc...) but they tend to be very easily duped by the fascists and plutocrats and are often blind to their own racism, misogyny, and disdain for the poor. Many of them cheerfully supported Ronald Reagan not realizing he was the shallow puppet of ugly corporate authoritarians who were not "libertarian" in any sense, thus paving the way for the current plutocracy.

6 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Libertarianism is a cult of money and property. (Original Post) hunter Dec 2013 OP
Libertarianism as a philosophy dulls gratitude, empathy, and fraternity el_bryanto Dec 2013 #1
Populated by those who have neither... lame54 Dec 2013 #2
Libertarianism is pretty stupid, all things considered. Laelth Dec 2013 #3
All the Libertarians I've met operate on two falsehoods MurrayDelph Dec 2013 #4
So what is the truth? Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #5
Libertarianism is a cult of other people's money and property. Johonny Dec 2013 #6

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. Libertarianism as a philosophy dulls gratitude, empathy, and fraternity
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:19 PM
Dec 2013

It's summed up in the idea that Altruism is an evil; that looking out for each other is wrong.

I am a capitalist in general, but I agree that Mixed economies work best - we have societal needs and desires. Some of those are best served by an open but regulated market and some of those are best served by the state pooling our resources and directing them to solve the problem.

Bryant

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
3. Libertarianism is pretty stupid, all things considered.
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:21 PM
Dec 2013

As I have argued, here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1016&pid=3655

I don't know anyone who really wants to live in a libertarian society (as if such a thing has ever existed).

-Laelth

MurrayDelph

(5,299 posts)
4. All the Libertarians I've met operate on two falsehoods
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:52 PM
Dec 2013

An artificially high (and false) opinion of their own self-worth, matched with

An equally-artificially high (and false) opinion of everyone else's.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
6. Libertarianism is a cult of other people's money and property.
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 02:10 PM
Dec 2013

since those that seem attached to it rarely have much of either, but you know if they work hard and can get the big government off their back some day... they will have even less.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Libertarianism is a cult ...