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Archae

(46,335 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:16 PM Dec 2013

On the art message boards I frequent, we run into this quite often.

Someone will take a picture that's usually a decade or more old, make a couple changes and Presto!

"I created this!"

They then try to sell it.

Looks like the grifter George Zimmermann is doing this, with his "painting" he sold through eBay.

http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=11097

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On the art message boards I frequent, we run into this quite often. (Original Post) Archae Dec 2013 OP
Did someone actually buy it? spartan61 Dec 2013 #1
It will end up on Pawn Stars. HappyMe Dec 2013 #2
Meh, that's not a problem. His work there is no different from Barbara Kruger's, in theory: Marr Dec 2013 #3
Yeah, I was going to mention "Appropriation art" as well frazzled Dec 2013 #6
I think I read that he was claiming he painted it. kcr Dec 2013 #8
#1. apparently you missed the other pre-threads on this topic #2. If you change a photo KittyWampus Dec 2013 #4
being discussed here RedCappedBandit Dec 2013 #5
And it's also being discussed here n/t kcr Dec 2013 #7

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
1. Did someone actually buy it?
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:23 PM
Dec 2013

If so, that person threw away some big bucks. But then, if he was a George Zimmerman follower, I don't feel sorry about the bogus painting he/she bought.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
3. Meh, that's not a problem. His work there is no different from Barbara Kruger's, in theory:
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:29 PM
Dec 2013




Except I'd say his is simplistic, t-shirt quality garbage and Kruger's work is actually interesting.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. Yeah, I was going to mention "Appropriation art" as well
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:59 PM
Dec 2013

Sherri Levine, Richard Prince, etc.

On the other hand, these artists were upfront about what they were doing: the appropriation was a conceptual part of the work itself. The point of it, in fact.

I don't know that Zimmerman had that intent. Still, there's nothing wrong with appropriating an image ... as long as you have the right to do so and are not simply stealing someone else's work for your own personal gain. Shepard Fairey got busted for it, with his Obama poster. Which, personally, I think was unfair (and politically motivated). Still, there's a fine line between appropriation and theft and protecting artist's rights to their imagery (which I also believe in)--the answer is all in the intent and in the process.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
8. I think I read that he was claiming he painted it.
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:14 PM
Dec 2013

If that's true, and he's claiming it's entirely his own original work, then that's at best dishonest. I agree, there's nothing wrong with appropriating as long as one is upfront about it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
4. #1. apparently you missed the other pre-threads on this topic #2. If you change a photo
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:33 PM
Dec 2013

significantly and alter it, you are not infringing on copyright.

That's why parodies are generally allowed.

Don't like Zimmerman who is now apparently a full blown scam artist as well as a murderer & spouse abuser.

But he or whomever did that piece of crap he's selling didn't just photo copy it as it and super impose words on it.

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