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applegrove

(118,716 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2013, 11:39 PM Dec 2013

"Good Poor, Bad Poor"

Good Poor, Bad Poor

By TIMOTHY EGAN at the NY Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/opinion/egan-good-poor-bad-poor.html?_r=0

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When a million Irish died during the Great Famine of the 1850s, many in the English aristocracy said the peasants deserved to starve because their families were too big and indolent. The British baronet overseeing food relief felt that the famine was God’s judgment, and an excellent way to get rid of surplus population. His argument on relief was the same one used by Rand Paul.

“The only way to prevent the people from becoming habitually dependent on government is to bring the operation to a close,” Sir Charles Trevelyan said about the relief plan at a time when thousands of Irish a day were dropping dead from hunger.

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“The kid was dealt a bad hand,” Bloomberg said. “I don’t know why. That’s just the way God works. Sometimes some of us are lucky, and some of us are not.”

And in that, he echoed my mother at Christmas. Luck is the residue of design, as the saying has it. But the most careful lives can be derailed — by cancer, a huge medical bill, a freak slap of weather, a massive failure of the potato crop. Virtue cannot prevent a “bad hand” from being dealt. And making the poor out to be lazy, or dependent, or stupid, does not make them less poor. It only makes the person saying such a thing feel superior.


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R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
2. If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:37 AM
Dec 2013

John F. Kennedy

Cha

(297,375 posts)
3. I should have guessed there would be those who
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:15 AM
Dec 2013

were assholes about the tragic Irish Famine. The ugliness of those who got theirs didn't start with the Kocholes.

"The House, refuge of the shrunken-heart caucus, has passed a measure to eliminate food aid for four million Americans, starting next year.."

"Shrunken" to non-existent, applegrove.. Their billionaire donors need tax breaks(like they need another a$$hole, btw).

Mele Kalikimaka, applegrove

Cha

(297,375 posts)
5. Mahalo, applegrove~
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:46 AM
Dec 2013

Yes, I googled the "vacances" part.. Are you French speaking Canadian?

I was in line today at a Bamboo store and I asked the people in front of me where they were from.. they said "Canada" and I asked which part.. "Saskatchewan"! Minus 40 degrees Celsius! They were so happy to be on holiday in Kaua'i. They were a whole family and their boyfriends.. very funny. I was laughing at what they were joking around about before I got curious where they were from.

applegrove

(118,716 posts)
8. No. I'm not french canadian but studied it in school. I live in what used to be
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:23 AM
Dec 2013

a French neighbourhood, so in honour of that, and in response to your Hawaiian, I speak French to you. Yes. My parents have two sets of friends who spend part of the winter in Kaui. I hear about it and see pictures of it often.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
6. Of course there were
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:18 AM
Dec 2013

the Irish famine? British landlords were exporting food (enough food to feed the starving Irish population, probably) to Britain all throughout the famine. It went from calamity to tragedy because of laissez-faire and putting profit above human life.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
7. For the Irish, it was literally "emigrate or starve."
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:17 AM
Dec 2013

As one Irishman is said to have replied when asked how he could bear to leave his beautiful homeland, "You can't eat the scenery."

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
9. Behind every great fortune lies a great crime.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

I've found it to be a long string of crimes in most cases.

When bad behavior is rewarded, this is what you get.

& R

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. holy crap, can't believe anyone said that even then
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:19 PM
Dec 2013

A good sentence to have handy: Virtue cannot prevent a bad hand from being dealt.

I've been re-reading the books Laura Ingalls Wilder wrote. Several times, a great crop was ruined through no fault of their own and in spite of their hard work. Locusts, a frost, a heavy wind. And that's the life the right wing typifies, the hard working farmer.

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