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RandySF

(58,977 posts)
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:31 AM Dec 2013

While we were celebrating the news out of Utah, something bigger happened in Ohio.

Just three days after a federal judge in Utah declared that state’s ban on gay marriage unconstitutional, a federal judge on Monday issued a much narrower ruling that Ohio’s ban on gay marriage is also unconstitutional.

Although Judge Timothy Black’s ruling applies only to death certificates, it is expected to be precedent-setting, leading to more lawsuits in Ohio challenging the law.

Black wrote that “once you get married lawfully in one state, another state cannot summarily take your marriage away,” saying the right to remain married is recognized as a fundamental liberty in the U.S. Constitution.

“When a state effectively terminates the marriage of a same-sex couple married in another jurisdiction, it intrudes into the realm of private marital, family, and intimate relations specifically protected by the Supreme Court,” he wrote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/23/ohios-ban-on-gay-marriage-ruled-unconstitutional-in-limited-case/

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While we were celebrating the news out of Utah, something bigger happened in Ohio. (Original Post) RandySF Dec 2013 OP
Hear that North Carolina? (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #1
k&r idwiyo Dec 2013 #2
And...boom goes the dynamite! Kurovski Dec 2013 #3
Looks to me like BOTH Utah and Ohio are 'big news' Tx4obama Dec 2013 #4
Has Ohio always been struggling with right wing politics? tofuandbeer Dec 2013 #5
We have. That's why they removed the industry— Enthusiast Dec 2013 #9
exactly! they knew what they were doing by getting rid of organized labor as much as they could Divine Discontent Dec 2013 #12
They sure did. OnionPatch Dec 2013 #13
I'm with you, Divine Discontent! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #14
We beat the repugnants with repeal of Senate bill 5 daybranch Dec 2013 #17
I heard from Texas friends that gerrymandering allows a GOP stronghold of Texas, as well. tofuandbeer Dec 2013 #21
Blue collar yes .. but they vote against their own best interests .. like so many. YOHABLO Dec 2013 #11
Are you telling me that issues such as being tough on crime, gun control and Abortion.. busterbrown Dec 2013 #19
the cities are more blue the rural areas are red-necked right-wing hicks leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #16
It breaks down like this . . . HughBeaumont Dec 2013 #22
I love the irony that the whole "states' rights" arguments are being turned on their heads MADem Dec 2013 #6
Used to use? longship Dec 2013 #10
"It's all made up shit." Very good! Enthusiast Dec 2013 #15
It is a good start davidpdx Dec 2013 #7
Scalia begs to differ... blkmusclmachine Dec 2013 #8
Oh wow. alfredo Dec 2013 #18
Can this please happen in Wisconsin? AllyCat Dec 2013 #20

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
4. Looks to me like BOTH Utah and Ohio are 'big news'
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 02:26 AM
Dec 2013

Btw, two of the plaintiffs in the Utah case were married in a different state and were suing to have their marriage recognized in Utah.



tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
5. Has Ohio always been struggling with right wing politics?
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 02:57 AM
Dec 2013

I'd always thought of Ohio as a hardworking, blue collar state. It surprises me that it always teeters to the right.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
9. We have. That's why they removed the industry—
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:37 AM
Dec 2013

to destroy organized labor. Trade deals sealed the fate of the Rust Belt states.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
12. exactly! they knew what they were doing by getting rid of organized labor as much as they could
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 04:33 AM
Dec 2013

fortunately, strong candidates on our side still win out in Ohio, especially when they run lil snot nosed brats against true blue progressive senators, lol. but, Ohio really needs to vote out their gov, about as equal as FL needing to give Scott a pink slip!

Merry Christmas, Enthusiast!

OnionPatch

(6,169 posts)
13. They sure did.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 10:22 AM
Dec 2013

There are still some strong liberals back in Ohio, but so many of us were scattered to the winds when the steel mills and other industries died. I always felt it was intentional. (Former USWA here. )

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
17. We beat the repugnants with repeal of Senate bill 5
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 09:46 PM
Dec 2013

But in 2012, 106 of 109 legislative offices in Ohio were determined by republican Gerrymandering. That same Gerrymandering sent 1ouse of representatives 2 republicans and 4 dems to the US House of Representatives although dems and republicans voted in about equal numbers. You all know the Gerrymandered teaparty republicans did (shut down government and create a debt crisis) . If you want to fight Gerrymandering in Ohio as a first strategic step in giving the people control of their country back, then email fightgerrymandering@gmail.com .

tofuandbeer

(1,314 posts)
21. I heard from Texas friends that gerrymandering allows a GOP stronghold of Texas, as well.
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 02:46 AM
Dec 2013

I don't know how true that is, as I always pictured Texas as conservative.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
19. Are you telling me that issues such as being tough on crime, gun control and Abortion..
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 11:00 PM
Dec 2013

have little to do with one’s economic status? I know...Oh and we can throw in all the cheats on welfare..

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
22. It breaks down like this . . .
Thu Dec 26, 2013, 10:11 AM
Dec 2013

Most of NE Ohio (except for a few of it's suburbs), Akron, Canton, Toledo, Columbus, Lorain, Athens, parts of Cincinnati and Youngstown area are Democratic. The rest is a stenchy, religion-poisoned, Fox-News-guzzling Sea of Tea.

That could work for or against you in a general election, depending on how generous or finally fed up with Republican policies the outlier counties get. Our state voted for the Failure Fuhrer twice. Our state also voted Barack Obama twice. We have one of the most progressive senators in the country. We also have one of the most conservative. We elected Ted Strickland as governor. Unfortunately, we're now stuck with ex-Wall Streeter John Kat$hit as governor. We have Marcy Kaptur. We also have John Boehner. It's a mixed bag.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
6. I love the irony that the whole "states' rights" arguments are being turned on their heads
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:09 AM
Dec 2013

to justify these arguments. It has to irritate the hell out of people who used to use similar constructs to discriminate against others!

longship

(40,416 posts)
10. Used to use?
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:46 AM
Dec 2013

MADem, that's what this is. It's states rights which is whole argument on this issue.

It's like Biblical apologists, the Bible becomes a ventriloquist dummy to validate whatever your sect says that the Bible says. These people do the same thing with the US Constitution. It's all made up shit. People just refuse to see the reality that when Jerry Mahoney speaks he is somehow always sitting on Paul Winchell's lap.

Happy Holidays, my friend.


Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
15. "It's all made up shit." Very good!
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 06:51 PM
Dec 2013

It is an avalanche of made up shit. A mountain's worth. That is why it is so hard to deal with.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
7. It is a good start
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 03:12 AM
Dec 2013

Still a long road for Ohio and other states (including my own) which have been slow to change.

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