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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCamille Paglia: A Feminist Defense of Masculine Virtues
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303997604579240022857012920'What you're seeing is how a civilization commits suicide," says Camille Paglia. This self-described "notorious Amazon feminist" isn't telling anyone to Lean In or asking Why Women Still Can't Have It All. No, her indictment may be as surprising as it is wide-ranging: The military is out of fashion, Americans undervalue manual labor, schools neuter male students, opinion makers deny the biological differences between men and women, and sexiness is dead. And that's just 20 minutes of our three-hour conversation."
Let the discussion begin!
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Why anyone should give one fuck now...
Oh, this is about some DU War, yeah?
Whatever, then.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Warpy
(111,277 posts)Good grief.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Matariki
(18,775 posts)Who calls her a feminist? And what in the world does "schools neuter male students" mean?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Paglia said the punishment of Robertson is a "level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades. It's the whole legacy of the free speech [movement] of the 1960s that has been lost by my own party."
Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)Please don't post republican propaganda here. I don't care what they think.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)In March 2007, Schlafly said in a speech at Bates College, "By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape."[35]
She has called Roe v. Wade "the worst decision in the history of the U.S. Supreme Court" and said that it "is responsible for the killing of millions of unborn babies".[37]
According to an article in the March 28, 2007 edition of the Washington Post, "New Drive Afoot to Pass Equal Rights Amendment," Schlafly was then working towards the defeat of a new version of the Equal Rights Amendment: "Today, she warns lawmakers that its passage would compel courts to approve same-sex marriages and deny Social Security benefits for housewives and widows."[28]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllis_Schlafly
Nice to see the pretense dropped that there is anything progressive about such positions.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Weddington debate Schlafly. During the debate, Weddington was gracious, informative, and funny. Schlafly was shrill, derisive and rude.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)I'm really sure this thread was started for purposes of discussion.
7962
(11,841 posts)I thought it would be interesting considering she supports Democrats, yet seems to say so may things that would be against what she votes for. I dont really know what to think of her gay comments, considering that she IS gay herself.
So, yes, that is why I posted it.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)She's the OG of barfing up archaic assertions about women, men, and feminism, justifying them with sweeping, unverified statements, and dressing them up with $2 words, and calling it new. Her latest, "It's A Man's World, And It Always Will Be" is so absurd that it doesn't merit a response; it merits an edit.
Paglia doesn't exactly have a history of saying things that make any damn sense. Most recently, she yammered on about Katy Perry and Taylor Swift being awful because they are The Bad Kind Of Pop Star, then lauded "bootylicious, confident urban women" because they are The Good Kind of Pop Star. During the 2008 election, she compared Sarah Palin's incoherent and endless run-on sentence style of talking to listening to some pretty excellent jazz and declared her the savior of "third world feminism." She's endlessly weird about fetishizing women of color as paragons of hotness (that makes a cameo in the piece you're about to read) and repeatedly slapping the air around her for invisible, vague feminists who hate all men and want sex to end forever. Planet Paglia is one where white bitches are hating men and fun and the only people who can save it are movie versions of hyper sexualized women of color. It's refried bullshit is what it is.
http://jezebel.com/camille-paglia-please-see-me-after-class-1484324950
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)"What we have here, fellow citizens, is a crassly egocentric, raving twit. The Norman Podhoretz of our gender. That this woman is actually taken seriously as a thinker in New York intellectual circles is a clear sign of decadence, decay, and hopeless pinheadedness. Has no one in the nations intellectual capital the background and ability to see through a web of categorical assertions? One fashionable line of response to Paglia is to claim that even though she may be fundamentally off-base, she has 'flashes of brilliance.' If so, I missed them in her oceans of swill."
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)She knew how to cut to the chase.
7962
(11,841 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)One might have imagined you didn't know you were quoting a rabid right winger, but apparently that isn't the case at all. So why would you think it acceptable to refer to her as a voice of authority?
7962
(11,841 posts)How many articles about Cruz/santorum/ limbaugh et al are posted? There are constant posts about loonies here on DU. Isnt that the point? To show whats being said out there? Otherwise, why would ANYTHING about duck dynasty EVER be posted? She doesnt even consider herself a right winger! I never said anything about her being a voice of authority, I just thought that it would generate a discussion about people like her who seem to make statements just to make people say "WTF?"
Sometimes i feel like I'm in the 8th grade again
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Not as an appeal to authority. You posted it as something valid to discuss, not as a subject of ridicule. Obviously she's a right winger. She votes Republican, and she's totally reactionary.
7962
(11,841 posts)thought it might make folks shake their heads and wonder where the heck she's coming from and offer their opinions. The article says she voted for the President, but I guess you never really KNOW if thats the truth.
Ms. Toad
(34,076 posts)the last several days which are pretty much indistinguishable from her views. Posting her thoughts without comment (other than "let the discussion begin" seemed to me as if you were bringing her in, as a self-described feminist, to support the "men are victimized just as much as women" version of feminism. I would have reacted far differently had you added a disclaimer that you believe her to be a loon.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Because anytime Molly Ivins can be cited on a subject, it's a good thing.
She had a hell of a brain and knew how to use it.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)"One moment she's praising pop star Rihanna ("a true artist" , then blasting ObamaCare ("a monstrosity," though she voted for the president), global warming ("a religious dogma" , and the idea that all gay people are born gay ("the biggest canard," yet she herself is a lesbian)."
I'd rather talk about the Duck guy. At least he's current.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Seriously?
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Cognitive dissonance 101.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Her tendency toward pugnacity as an affectation annoyed me then and it annoys me now. She's just breaking new ground in a sand dune.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Putting the words "Paglia" and "feminist" in the same sentence. What a bunch of flamebait. Sorry, not playing.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)At times I'm not entirely sure which I suspect is more likely.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)be defended. She also thinks the entire media is controlled by liberal elites. Now, okay she will sometimes says things that are iconoclastic that carry a ring of truth. Anyone who says enough crazy stuff all the time is bound to do that every once in awhile.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Mary Magdalene on a crutch!
7962
(11,841 posts)So after that, I just copy/paste so no one gets antsy.